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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:29:00 -
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Dear Players,
We had a tiny opening in our TQ deployment schedule so we are using the opportunity to make some balance changes and bugfixes.
We know it's a shorter feedback loop than normal but please take a look at the proposed changes.
Balance Hotfix
The only item that needs an extended explanation is the ROF penalty to heat cost for the Incubus. Turns out there is a very abnormal penalty setting on the Skill that was created to offset the ROF bonus of the skill. This penalty remained the same and created this weird behaviour that inverted the ROF of high skill pilots. Please try it out post change. We didn't change anything else to make sure this is verified by pilots. We are very open to more changes to the ADS, based on the continued role dialogue here:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176523&find=unread
The others are widely requested and data supported tweaks
Weapons
Rail Rifle CQC ability reduced via Charge-up increase
Assault Scrambler Rifle accuracy increased via min and max Dispersion
Assault Scrambler Heat cost reduced
Scrambler Rifle Heat cost reduced
All Scramblers Seize time reduced
Assault Combat rifle Accuracy reduced via min Dispersion
Bolt pistol ROF reduced via Charge-up increase
Bolt pistol CQC ability reduced via min Dispersion
Vehicles
AV ability of Incubus rate of fire heat penalty removed
Swarm missile turn radius reduced by another 10 degrees
Dropsuits
All dropsuits now have native armor reps, including basic frames
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Klubba Dkc2
Atmospheric Pollution
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:39:00 -
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Well, let's see what will happen.
I don't like very much the numbers of native reps, they kind normalize what it was a special attribute of gallente race and also actually nerf part of the gallente to favor other races.
Klubba pay Toll
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
4062
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:40:00 -
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<3 so hard
My advice to you, playa...
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Firbolg Barun
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
54
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:48:00 -
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******* fast Rattati, ******* fast.
Here, have a cookie! |
BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:58:00 -
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*sigh* 
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Middas Betancore
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:10:00 -
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GG CCP, thanks for the native reps, this does soo much for my cal fittings, il post feedback when I get an idea of the state of play
CEO-Kirjuun Heiian-Caldari Faction Warfare Corp
Join our public chat channel. Kirjuun Heiian
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Jebus McKing
lol Proto
795
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Dropsuits
All dropsuits now have native armor reps, including basic frames
Almost spilled my coffee.
Also, another Bolt Pistol nerf? Eh. Don't really feel that it needs it. I'd rather see its headshot bonus reduced than further ROF nerfs.
DUST514 is love // @JebusMcKing
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
247
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:21:00 -
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Very welcome changes on the Incubus, I will be very pleased to dust off the rail turret, it will be interesting to try to outfly swarm first and see if i can throw them off with a lower turn radius.
The weapons changes at a glance make sense. Rail rifle isn't CQC, Assault combat rifles needed a tweak without hurting thier damage output. Scramblers were a little too nuetered.
The Bolt pistol adustments everyone could see coming a mile away, its good that its being kept as a long range, skill shot, high DPS weapon.
Will let you know after down time if the rail turret tweaks came through, and how it fares vs other dropships, tanks and the like.
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Vell0cet
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
2417
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:26:00 -
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Everything on this list makes sense to me. Good work.
Best PvE idea ever!
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
988
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:26:00 -
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my fear =)
Please support fair play!
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:54:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:
Rail Rifle CQC ability reduced via Charge-up increase
I can't believe I'm about to do this, but I'll give up the secret of my most evil trick to forestall the disappointment when this fails to fix the problem you want to correct.
It's going to take about 30 minutes of experimentation for anyone who hasn't already figured out the workaround at most. Less for a Destiny Fusion Rifle nrrd.
It's how I occasionally use an Ishukone Assault Forge as a CQC weapon.
You just have to remember your ABC's
Always
Be
Charging
This won't keep rails out of CQC.
The blunt best solution would be to swap primary gallente to breach firing style and Caldari yo assault style. Make the breach shott range, make the assault long range.
Balance is easier then I swear to you. But increasing the charge time is the bandaid that's going to look good on paper and fall flat on it's face in practice.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:55:00 -
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Looks solid. Time to dust off the old AScR and see how she does!
(And yes yes yes, moar RR CQC nerfs, plz!)
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
4200
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Posted - 2014.10.23 11:58:00 -
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Welp dual tanking Caldari is going to be more prominent now.
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:06:00 -
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Rattati man, reduce ammo on the turrets, particularly the small turrets and make vehicles tougher defensively. Then you will get the balance in the right place instead of vehicles just being fodder for AV. The problem is that tanks and dropships can linger and keep firing on infantry for too long. If they have to go to a depot and reload or recall because there is no depot then that will make players choose their shots.
I'm mainly thinking about the assault dropship hovering with the missile turret. I'd assume that is why the ADS was nerfed in the first place. It didn't stop that from happening, it only caused more people to run swarms. If you don't have a swarm then the problem remains. Stop the ADS from lingering with ammo limits and you'll see the problem for infantry go away.
Likewise, blaster tanks will be limited on how long they can shoot at infantry, but could actually be made better defensively without complaints. If the tank isn't there or out of ammo how can infantry validly complain about imbalance?
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
4248
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:20:00 -
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ETA?
(The godfather of tactical logistics)
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Firbolg Barun
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:23:00 -
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Fleen Costell'o
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
462
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:27:00 -
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Rattati want more hotfixes
from Russia with Love <8
DS4 + PS3 + DUST514 - 30 FPS Max = NO GOOD // DS4 + PS4 + DUST514 + 60 FPS = WERY G-+-+-+-+D
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matsumoto yuichi san
The Elite Few Inc.
The Methodical Alliance
72
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Posted - 2014.10.23 12:40:00 -
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seems legit, ship it |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:36:00 -
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Not amused about Gal losing the one unique attribute we had.
Amarr have large stamina pools, Minmatar moderate stamina pools with super quick recharge and high speed, Caldari low delays and fast recharge.
Gallente? The Amarr can honestly mimic any Gallente fit without much effort.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Dingleburt Bangledack
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:50:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Not amused about Gal losing the one unique attribute we had.
Amarr have large stamina pools, Minmatar moderate stamina pools with super quick recharge and high speed, Caldari low delays and fast recharge.
Gallente? The Amarr can honestly mimic any Gallente fit without much effort.
I wouldn't mind so much if the Gal's native reps were higher by more than a negligible amount.
...But 0.5? Ya, that'll make all the difference.  |
BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3224
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:56:00 -
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Dingleburt Bangledack wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Not amused about Gal losing the one unique attribute we had.
Amarr have large stamina pools, Minmatar moderate stamina pools with super quick recharge and high speed, Caldari low delays and fast recharge.
Gallente? The Amarr can honestly mimic any Gallente fit without much effort. I wouldn't mind so much if the Gal's native reps were higher by more than a negligible amount. ...But 0.5? Ya, that'll make all the difference.
Yep in 15 minutes a gal will rep 450 more up than an amarr. =ƒÿä
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
9102
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Posted - 2014.10.23 13:57:00 -
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I would rather do more with efficacy than these built in bonuses.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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BL4CKST4R
La Muerte Eterna
Dark Taboo
3224
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I would rather do more with efficacy than these built in bonuses.
Well when can we expect an efficacy bonus, if you add in an efficacy bonus to reps for all Gallente suits I will forgive you for these numbers :)
While I'm at it 5-10% per level repper efficacy
37.5-45 +2.5 hp/s on a average gal assault fit
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3861
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:05:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I would rather do more with efficacy than these built in bonuses.
Your rail rifle fix isn't going to stop the problem you're trying to fix.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
9102
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:07:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I would rather do more with efficacy than these built in bonuses. Your rail rifle fix isn't going to stop the problem you're trying to fix.
we'll see. there are other rr changes there as well. This is only meant to hurt the 0-20 meter engagement of RR, the charge up will help with that and increased dispersion.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3861
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:14:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I would rather do more with efficacy than these built in bonuses. Your rail rifle fix isn't going to stop the problem you're trying to fix. we'll see. there are other rr changes there as well. This is only meant to hurt the 0-20 meter engagement of RR, the charge up will help with that and increased dispersion.
The problem I am seeing is that breach style guns (as defined by DUST) tend to operat natively better in CQC and assault style tend to work natively better at range. Right now this feels like trying to use a shoehorn because the opposite is true in action movie physics.
I always thought EVE and DUST were intended to be close to hard scifi rather than cinematic scifi, which is exactly what drew me in.
Now if I'm wrong I will shut up, but this rabbit hole is screwbally and I predict will cause more headaches than relief before a solution is found. Hope I'm wrong.
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
801
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:22:00 -
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Is the RR really as much a problem in the data as your proposed fixes indicate?
I haven't seen the RR as much of an issue lately. There're much more pressing balance issues if you ask me. However my impression isn't representative of the whole community, of course. |
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
9102
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:25:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Is the RR really as much a problem in the data as your proposed fixes indicate?
I haven't seen the RR as much of an issue lately. There're much more pressing balance issues if you ask me. However my impression isn't representative of the whole community, of course.
It and the ACR dominate PC rifle kills
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
3863
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:30:00 -
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What ranges are they dominating PC on average?
EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
1006
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Posted - 2014.10.23 14:59:00 -
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Thank you Rattati! Can't wait to check the changes out in person.
And those scrambler changes 
The Incubus is Broken
Judge Rhadamanthus is my Hero
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