if you couldn't kill an Incubus before, you were just bad. Now, I don't see how to not kill them lmfao. I don't play this game anymore, haven't in months. Just laughing at how the community driven "balance" has led to a fairly pointless ADS that can't even act as reliable AV. Thankfully swarm players can look up and collect points though ;)

Oh, and lol @ transport, most maps make transport via dropship poimtless outside the initial drop, and hovering to pick people up was always a recioe for failure, even before the easiest to use weapon in the game was repeatedly buffed

if you couldn't kill an Incubus before, you were just bad. Now, I don't see how to not kill them lmfao. I don't play this game anymore, haven't in months. Just laughing at how the community driven "balance" has led to a fairly pointless ADS that can't even act as reliable AV. Thankfully swarm players can look up and collect points though ;)

Oh, and lol @ transport, most maps make transport via dropship poimtless outside the initial drop, and hovering to pick people up was always a recioe for failure, even before the easiest to use weapon in the game was repeatedly buffed

Perhaps you're just to used to being able to kill things by merely looking at them?

Judge? Judge doesn't play Dust anymore or participate in CPM stuffs.

So, it is o.k. for scouts, swarmers and heavies to do this but not vehicles? Right, got it.

He didn't say that. And explain how swarms can kill anything they look at.

Honestly and without jokin' B*shate, he have his problems right now, because his father.
Just check his lates thread

Lol, pedantry. He's said that in so many words in just about every post related to vehicles. Also, swarms now easily kill what they are made to shoot at, esp. dropships.

Fact: Balancing things went right back around to where they started.

No it hasn't. The fact swarms work now is a good thing. Considering it can't hurt anything else it should destroy any vehicle if it sits in an area too long.

The main issue comes from how effortles they are. At least:forge guns require an understanding of timings, the ability to aim, and the lack of mobility. Swarms should be area denial weapons unless the vehicle lingers, or there are multiple swarms. Havim such effecrive AV at lottle to no personal effort on part of he operator makes for frustrating gameplay.

I think the RoF on all turrets need to be increased by 15%, and have a different bonus for the ADS, maybe:

+5% Splash Radius per Level (Python)
+8% Heat Sink Expansion per Level (Incubus)

Not only that, but the Damage on 20GJ Railguns also needs an increase. As it stands now, they have absolutely no chance against a 'Triple Rep' Madrugar.

Blaster turrets are great for melting shields on Dropships!

Also, don't take hypocritical ''like'' scroungers like Atiim seriously, how you gonna complain the ADS kills too much i for weeks then propose a buff to ADS splash, and ROF in another.

No matter how anyone tries to cut it, swarms will always be the scrubiest weapon in Dust.

They have a million excuses as to why they cannot learn to aim with a forge gun, and the only ones who are but hurt about flying things flying away.

ADS vs unarmed infantry hasn't changed. The danger of fighting forge gunners hasn't really changed. Swarms where excellent area denial before Delta and that hasn't changed. My ADS KD has gone way up since Delta.

The only thing that has is that swarmers that were too scrubby to get kills before are having it handed to them now.

Also, don't take hypocritical ''like'' scroungers like Atiim seriously, how you gonna complain the ADS kills too much i for weeks then propose a buff to ADS splash, and ROF in another.

Yeah, we're back to the one guy that's always there because of how easy and effective swarms are. He just sits there on top of a building and fires away. You can't get to him quickly before he keeps firing off the shots.

One person doing more than area of denial and out and out downing a ds or tank makes it unbalanced due to ease of use. Everybody ends up doing it like last time before the vehicle balance patch.

There are other things that can be nerfed if the concern is for tanks and ads to stop sitting on infantry and ppl want to be able to completely down them. Ammo limitations is one way. Another way is bigger contrast in offensive vs. defensive fittings. Also, nerf range and accuracy for basic turrets. If I fit a basic turret and complex heavy mods then I should be able to move in and tank the damage of one guy.

So, with Assault Dropships neutered, basic ships buffed for cheap easy suicides, and effortless AV repeatedly buffed, can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly the purpose is of Assault Dropships?

Judge, what happened man?

So yesterday I was playing a game. A guy on the other team was using a python, me and a couple of squadmates were using forge guns. I was up on the roof of one of the little warehouses (building with 4 ladders at each corner with the 4 little humps on top).

The python kept coming down and attacking me over and over, literally hovering 10 feet from me for long enough for me to hit it three times with my forge gun.

Then he would afterburn/shield boost away and my last shot would hit but not kill him due to the shield boost.

He did this over and over again, he was apparently having some issues with aiming because he rarely hit me, but I have no doubt he would have killed me over and over if he could fix his terrible aim. Eventually right before the match ended he just squished me against the side of one of the humps and killed me.

If anyone actually believes ADS still arent overpowered when an ADS can hover point blank in front of the unit that is designed to counter it, and tank every shot the guy puts into it, then just fly away scott free... well... if you still think its underpowered, I have news: Its not the ADS, its you. You suck.

Every vehicle has this feature: it is entirely the pilot's decision to be killed. You can escape any time and there is little to nothing any infantry can do about it. The only thing that will for sure stop a vehicle is a massive overwhelming alpha strike.

Incubi need more HP at base. and/or more fitting room. I also think that both ADS need an extra slot. 1H for the inci and 1 low for the python because fitthing them is really stale.

Key word: Python. They've always been OP as **** because nothing does bonus damage to shields, and missiles are childs play to use. There's a reason Pythons are the go to ship for most pilots, new and old.

I miss the 2/4 layout :(

Also, how God damn long does it take to "fix" logistics ships?

So, with Assault Dropships neutered, basic ships buffed for cheap easy suicides, and effortless AV repeatedly buffed, can someone please enlighten me as to what exactly the purpose is of Assault Dropships?

Judge, what happened man?

The same issue exists for Incubi, Grimsnes, and Myrons. The point is that in a fight between an AV player and a vehicle of any kind, it is 100% the vehicle pilot's fight to lose. There is no way for the AV guy to WIN the fight. They might drive the vehicle behind something or even drive him off the field, but that vehicle is not dead. Dead AV is a result of normal routine gameplay. Dead vehicles are the result of mistakes by the pilot.

There is no point now. What infantry wants, infantry gets. What they ultimately want is a copy of Call of Duty, obviously no vehicles.

And Judge is AWOL.

You know you're wrong when Spkr agrees with you.

Once, there was truth to that. He may be melodramatic but the man has a point. Vehicle play is for people who like to waste SP as anything a vehicle can do, a lone infantryman can almost always do better.