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Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6679	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:18:00 - [1] - Quote Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 498	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:23:00 - [2] - Quote I really hope it isn't going to development hell.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6679	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:27:00 - [3] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: I really hope it isn't going to development hell. Do we have any reason to believe that it hasn't..? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 498	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:30:00 - [4] - Quote Nope. Just wishful thinking.
Izlare Lenix Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 1048	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:35:00 - [5] - Quote If Legion dies so will my enjoyment of the FPS genre. The fact that Destiny is supposed to be the "Pinnacle" of FPSs proves just how sad the whole genre is now. At least Dust/Legion are unique with real loss and risk/reward. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Blueprint For Murder Immortal Guides 112	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:40:00 - [6] - Quote They said items, sp, and isk would be transferable so I am not worried. While the new features that will be added in legion are epic the most important thing is re-branding even if it was Dust 2 with some proper marketing. They have the best fps here and once everyone hears some buzz it is going to blow up. I would be a little disappointed if it was not on ps4 I need a reason to buy one. New, delicious, Soylent green the miracle food of high-energy plankton gathered from the oceans of the world.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6679	Posted - 2014.10.14 11:54:00 - [7] - Quote Blueprint For Murder wrote: They said items, sp, and isk would be transferable so I am not worried. While the new features that will be added in legion are epic the most important thing is re-branding even if it was Dust 2 with some proper marketing. They have the best fps here and once everyone hears some buzz it is going to blow up. I would be a little disappointed if it was not on ps4 I need a reason to buy one. Did you even read the OP O.o?? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Mobius Wyvern Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 5330	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:03:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Blueprint For Murder wrote: They said items, sp, and isk would be transferable so I am not worried. While the new features that will be added in legion are epic the most important thing is re-branding even if it was Dust 2 with some proper marketing. They have the best fps here and once everyone hears some buzz it is going to blow up. I would be a little disappointed if it was not on ps4 I need a reason to buy one. Did you even read the OP O.o?? Yeah, nothing's getting transferred if neither game exists anymore. Notice even that though Dust 514 was on the schedule for EVE Vegas this year, Project Legion isn't mentioned on this year's schedule at all. To look at that schedule, you would think EVE Online and EVE: Valkyrie were the only games CCP has made. Either there's a lot of not good things going on at CCP Shanghai right now, or someone there is dumb enough to think it's a good idea to once again not say a single thing about development until FanFest. I'd actually prefer the former, because I think the latter would make me punch somebody. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 764	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:11:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. I'm with you here (and the rest of your post - cut for brevity). Our holy savior Rattati probably can't turn CCP into a functioning company and make it communicate its mid-term plans to its customers single-handedly, but in his position he has every interest to communicate where Dust is heading. If we're supposed to spend money on Dust we need to know what the state of affairs is going to be in 6-12 months time - and for that we'll need a commitment that hopefully doesn't contain the expression "laser focused". If we want any words from CCP regarding the future, I guess that is the best avenue to make them say something. Personally, my money is on Legion being scrapped, its assets being deleted (no more RAM on that PS3, sorry) and then all future efforts directed towards Eve and Valkyrie until the latter is scrapped too. I can't make an estimate on how long Rattati can make them keep the Dust servers up. I honestly have no idea whether Dust in it's current form is profitable at all.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3666	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:13:00 - [10] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. My guess is CCP determined Legion would be, in the end, more profitable than Dust 514 would be. It is a question of RoI (return on investment). CCP can put the revenue generated by Dust 514 into Dust 514 to generate ($X) or they can put the money into Legion development and receive ($X+1). Like any for-profit business they chose the route that they believe will make them more money. Aeon Amadi wrote: Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. CPM1 continues to tell us that Legion is in development and that they are beating down CCP's door trying to get them to talk to us about it CCP is ignoring them and choosing to remain perfectly silent. That does not make me more confident in Legion's development. If we learn anything it will be during fanfest 2015. Aeon Amadi wrote: Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Doubtful. They would have announced it in a similar fashion to how they announced WoW was dead. Plus the CPM1 says development on Legion is ongoing. Aeon Amadi wrote: Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. CCP. That's where the money is going. As a consumer, that's all we get to know. If you want to know more then buy some CCP stock and become a shareholder. Then they might tell you a bit more about where their R&D money is flowing. Edit: CCP may be privately owned. In that case, find a way to become an investor Otherwise, just accept that CCP doesn't have to tell you what they are doing with their money. My advice to you, playa...

Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:29:00 - [11] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: -Snip- You have to kind of wonder why the bloody hell any of us should even buy the BPOs/Boosters anymore when we don't know that the revenue is being put into anything that contributes to the longevity of the game we're playing, be it on the PS3 or on the PC. And as far as the CPM whispering sweet nothings in our ear about Project Legion - bear in mind that the CPM 0 for the longest time had a rather hopeful outlook on their faces up until the Project Legion announcement at Fanfest; when the curtain was pulled to reveal the nebulous concept that, "Hey, we've -TECHNICALLY- been doing development!". So, I'd take that as a grain of salt because (like just about everything else) there's very little to show for it as proof. To be completely honest, if I were an investor, I'd be kinda pissed at the whole situation. As a consumer, I have to think like an investor at times and this is one of them. Why should I invest in something that I have no idea is being put to good use, despite simply being told (repeatedly I might add) that it -is- being put to good use? Just assume for a second that Project Legion -did not- get green lit... That development for both Legion and Dust 514 has been cancelled. What good does it do to spend money on it? That's the assumption I have until I see something concrete. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 765	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:38:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: As a consumer, I have to think like an investor at times and this is one of them. Normally as a customer we buy a product and then we're happy with that. That isn't an investment, of course. In this case however we're buying digital products that are being supplied to us as a service. Now we're talking about an investment. Spend money now, receive service later. Depending on the money-to-service rate that we as customers find acceptable we need to worry about the mid-term future of the game to make judgments on whether we want to invest. These new BPOs are really pulling this issues to the surface. If I was very certain that this game still exists in 2 years time I'd have no trouble spending comparatively much money on Dust. As it is I have to consider the possibility that CCP announces the end of Dust in the near future and that I won't get my money's worth.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3668	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:39:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: You have to kind of wonder why the bloody hell any of us should even buy the BPOs/Boosters anymore when we don't know that the revenue is being put into anything that contributes to the longevity of the game we're playing, be it on the PS3 or on the PC. Then don't spend money on a game with the mindset that it must exist 1 year from now. Ask yourself, "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?" If the answer is yes, then buy whatever it is. If it is no, then don't. Take this advice and you will enjoy gaming a great deal more. Aeon Amadi wrote: And as far as the CPM whispering sweet nothings in our ear about Project Legion - bear in mind that the CPM 0 for the longest time had a rather hopeful outlook on their faces up until the Project Legion announcement at Fanfest; when the curtain was pulled to reveal the nebulous concept that, "Hey, we've -TECHNICALLY- been doing development!". So, I'd take that as a grain of salt because (like just about everything else) there's very little to show for it as proof. Familiarize yourself with this legal concept. Aeon Amadi wrote: To be completely honest, if I were an investor, I'd be kinda pissed at the whole situation. As a consumer, I have to think like an investor at times and this is one of them. Why should I invest in something that I have no idea is being put to good use, despite simply being told (repeatedly I might add) that it -is- being put to good use? See above: "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?" Aeon Amadi wrote: Just assume for a second that Project Legion -did not- get green lit... That development for both Legion and Dust 514 has been cancelled. What good does it do to spend money on it? That's the assumption I have until I see something concrete. Spending money on it should add something resembling entertainment to your life. Stop caring about what CCP does with the that money and start caring about if your purchase will add enjoyment to your weekends. My advice to you, playa...
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:41:00 - [14] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: You have to kind of wonder why the bloody hell any of us should even buy the BPOs/Boosters anymore when we don't know that the revenue is being put into anything that contributes to the longevity of the game we're playing, be it on the PS3 or on the PC. Then don't spend money on a game with the mindset that it must exist 1 year from now. Ask yourself, "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?" If the answer is yes, then buy whatever it is. If it is no, then don't. Take this advice and you will enjoy gaming a great deal more. Aeon Amadi wrote: And as far as the CPM whispering sweet nothings in our ear about Project Legion - bear in mind that the CPM 0 for the longest time had a rather hopeful outlook on their faces up until the Project Legion announcement at Fanfest; when the curtain was pulled to reveal the nebulous concept that, "Hey, we've -TECHNICALLY- been doing development!". So, I'd take that as a grain of salt because (like just about everything else) there's very little to show for it as proof. Familiarize yourself with this legal concept. Aeon Amadi wrote: To be completely honest, if I were an investor, I'd be kinda pissed at the whole situation. As a consumer, I have to think like an investor at times and this is one of them. Why should I invest in something that I have no idea is being put to good use, despite simply being told (repeatedly I might add) that it -is- being put to good use?]/quote]See above: "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?" [quote=Aeon Amadi]Just assume for a second that Project Legion -did not- get green lit... That development for both Legion and Dust 514 has been cancelled. What good does it do to spend money on it? That's the assumption I have until I see something concrete. Spending money on it should add something resembling entertainment to your life. Stop caring about what CCP does with the that money and start caring about if your purchase will add enjoyment to your weekends. Well if we're expected to take that advice, let's all just go play more worthy games and let this one die off in peace, lol. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3668	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:42:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Well if we're expected to take that advice, let's all just go play more worthy games and let this one die off in peace, lol. If you really feel that way then head off to greener pastures I'm still having fun playing Dust 514 and I want to see where this Legion thing is going, so I'm going to stick around. My advice to you, playa...
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:45:00 - [16] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Well if we're expected to take that advice, let's all just go play more worthy games and let this one die off in peace, lol. If you really feel that way then head off to greener pastures I'm still having fun playing Dust 514 and I want to see where this Legion thing is going, so I'm going to stick around. And if it doesn't go anywhere? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3668	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:49:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: And if it doesn't go anywhere? Since I've been basing my purchases on enjoyment rather than being a puesdo-investor, it's not a loss. I got to play a fun sci-fi FPS set in New Eden. I tried Destiny, it was mediocre at best and didn't really grab me. Borderlands 2 was my favorite FPS prior to Dust so I might play it again. The BL Pre-sequel doesn't advance the story so I won't be buying it. I recently got a PSVita and I've been playing some old PSone games on it; Tactics Ogres, FF Tactics, Castlevania SotN, and a few others. Also, I might try Eve Online again. I played it years ago and got bored with high sec. I'll probably start a new account and immediately fly to low sec and attempt to get myself rekt. My advice to you, playa...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 206	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:51:00 - [18] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: If Legion dies so will my enjoyment of the FPS genre. The fact that Destiny is supposed to be the "Pinnacle" of FPSs proves just how sad the whole genre is now. At least Dust/Legion are unique with real loss and risk/reward. Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17220	Posted - 2014.10.14 12:57:00 - [19] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: If Legion dies so will my enjoyment of the FPS genre. The fact that Destiny is supposed to be the "Pinnacle" of FPSs proves just how sad the whole genre is now. At least Dust/Legion are unique with real loss and risk/reward. Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online PS2 had trumped that card at launch. though lately its hard to find anything larger than a dust 514 squad to go kill in that game. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 207	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:01:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Izlare Lenix wrote: If Legion dies so will my enjoyment of the FPS genre. The fact that Destiny is supposed to be the "Pinnacle" of FPSs proves just how sad the whole genre is now. At least Dust/Legion are unique with real loss and risk/reward. Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online PS2 had trumped that card at launch. though lately its hard to find anything larger than a dust 514 squad to go kill in that game. Honestly nope, in MAG there was healhty push bz game to playing cooperatively. PL2 most strategic level is just Zerging the base. (trust me i played that game for really long time) "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3668	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:03:00 - [21] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Honestly nope, in MAG there was healhty push bz game to playing cooperatively. PL2 most strategic level is just Zerging the base. (trust me i played that game for really long time) The largest PS2 battle was something approaching 2,000 players. It was fighting over one base and lasted around 40 minutes. There are videos of it on Youtube... Now I'm not a mathematician but ~2,000 > 256 My advice to you, playa...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 207	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:09:00 - [22] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Honestly nope, in MAG there was healhty push bz game to playing cooperatively. PL2 most strategic level is just Zerging the base. (trust me i played that game for really long time) The largest PS2 battle was something approaching 2,000 players. It was fighting over one base and lasted around 40 minutes. There are videos of it on Youtube... Now I'm not a mathematician but ~2,000 > 256 Oki once again. Coop and strategy (MAG) against Zergin' (Pl2) I go for Coop Whats mean MAG with its 256 players with coop means bigger to me, that Skyrim siyed maps where is zerg king. BTW honestly do you need play advocate with completely different game just for "DUST Win". I was great fan of PL2, but win nothing new i went back to Dust because i like this game. Its just sad how i sad many times before, there is not bigger playercount support. Just imagine zippers server with dust on it. Something like MAG domination modes, where you unlocking points after points till you dont explode contenders base. Its should be awesome. I dont know if im too old and i like something what is not mainstream like just kill, but honestly bigger push for more cooperative mode can be great here. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3668	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:13:00 - [23] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Oki once again. Coop and strategy (MAG) against Zergin' (Pl2) I go for Coop Pay close attention. Here was the original comment IWS made... Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online PS2 had trumped that card at launch. though lately its hard to find anything larger than a dust 514 squad to go kill in that game. He was replying to the size of battles in MAG vs. PS2. I don't think he said anything about the quality of game play in one or the other Just that PS2 had bigger fights than MAG. Now that we have cleared that up, I'll stop derailing the thread. My advice to you, playa...
Echo 1991 WarRavens Capital Punishment. 498	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:13:00 - [24] - Quote Planet side 2 is OK. Not really much happening other than bum rushing points.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 207	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:20:00 - [25] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Oki once again. Coop and strategy (MAG) against Zergin' (Pl2) I go for Coop Pay close attention. Here was the original comment IWS made... Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online PS2 had trumped that card at launch. though lately its hard to find anything larger than a dust 514 squad to go kill in that game. He was replying to the size of battles in MAG vs. PS2. I don't think he said anything about the quality of game play in one or the other Just that PS2 had bigger fights than MAG. Now that we have cleared that up, I'll stop derailing the thread. Bigger fight just from count of numbers, oki i agree i put just small info. Oki once more with bigger info. Pinacle of gaming on Ps3 was for me MAG it great balance in playability, playercount and healthy push for cooperation between sqads. Is that better now?! I like Dust because it have that skill deep system and i think with bigger player counts and with more modes (like MAG domination was) it should be THAT pinnacle, about what OP takls "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 207	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:21:00 - [26] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Planet side 2 is OK. Not really much happening other than bum rushing points. Thats basicaly about what i talking, there is no push for more cooperation and strategy basicaly this is a king there. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 229	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:36:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah, I have that gut feeling that Legion is going down too. But I am a sad panda for saying it. It would be a terrible waste of cool ideas, assets and experience. There is some commitment to the Dust/Legion side of the franchise showing in the trailers and comments on fanfest. But there is less than a bit of hope now for me that Legion is getting some development boost and all of fanfest wasnt just lip service. I really hope I am wrong though, and all this silence was just a symptom of "must work faster, no time for community-management". The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3670	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:39:00 - [28] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: I really hope I am wrong though, and all this silence was just a symptom of "must work faster, no time for community-management". If I had to venture a guess, I would say that CCP is remaining quiet about Legion because they do not want to overpromise ("laser focus") like they did in the early days of Dust 514. They would rather underpromise, then overperform than overpromise, then underperform. Again, just my guess. My advice to you, playa...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:41:00 - [29] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Yeah, I have that gut feeling that Legion is going down too. But I am a sad panda for saying it. It would be a terrible waste of cool ideas, assets and experience. There is some commitment to the Dust/Legion side of the franchise showing in the trailers and comments on fanfest. But there is less than a bit of hope now for me that Legion is getting some development boost and all of fanfest wasnt just lip service. I really hope I am wrong though, and all this silence was just a symptom of "must work faster, no time for community-management". Honestly i will be more for "Love4Dust" than for Legion, from one and honest reason. I'll not be in Legion and i basicaly want to see more content what was showed us before here in Dust "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1727	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:43:00 - [30] - Quote Well, this threads quite the ray of wholesome sunshine ain't it? First things first. 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. That being said, I'd like to think you'd trust us to not outright lie about something like that, merely not comment about it. When we stop talking about it is what you should look for. We haven't stopped talking about it. 'Why should we buy the BPO?' First of all, you're under no obligation to do so, it's entirely your own choice. Now I'm biased to a certain degree as my personal spending on the game is apparently in the top tier, therefore I'm more inclined to spend money on the game anyway. That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase. I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well. Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7 CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com

Immortal John Ripper 25088	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:46:00 - [31] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Dear Diary - The thoughts of a madman.
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:50:00 - [32] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Honestly i understand, thats better for them and somehow for us too. Just imagine our stuff putted in different game, before the copyright on that thingie will be even introduced I know it is basicaly Bshtae how we can know thingies, but hell whatever i will still wait for some good stuff in future here in Dust ..hopefully "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."*
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:53:00 - [33] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Sounds strikingly similar to what happened right before Fanfest 2014, eh? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1729	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:53:00 - [34] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Of course we couldn't tell you. We signed an NDA. That said, I think if we stopped talking or answering questions about it, you could make a pretty good guess as to its status. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:55:00 - [35] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Of course we couldn't tell you. We signed an NDA. That said, I think if we stopped talking or answering questions about it, you could make a pretty good guess as to its status. Pure logic. no talking about it = Nothing or Something its quite informative RD "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:55:00 - [36] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Of course we couldn't tell you. We signed an NDA. That said, I think if we stopped talking or answering questions about it, you could make a pretty good guess as to its status. So what's the hold up..? Why keep absolutely silent - haven't we already come to the conclusion a billion times over that silence can lead to nothing but bad things? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
NextDark Knight Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 485	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:57:00 - [37] - Quote I know this hurts most people.. but I'm not looking forward to the aim bots on PC. Over 50 Million SP and almost full proto in all Caldari Suits. No matter how hard CCP tries Dust just won't die on PS3/4
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6680	Posted - 2014.10.14 13:58:00 - [38] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: I know this hurts most people.. but I'm not looking forward to the aim bots on PC. Won't be much different then Destiny's ridiculous aim assist. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3675	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:00:00 - [39] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: So what's the hold up..? Why keep absolutely silent - haven't we already come to the conclusion a billion times over that silence can lead to nothing but bad things? They can tell CCP this 1,000,000 a day and that will not make CCP actually do anything. My advice to you, playa...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:00:00 - [40] - Quote NextDark Knight wrote: I know this hurts most people.. but I'm not looking forward to the aim bots on PC. Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3675	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:01:00 - [41] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them People always bring up these promises CCP made. Can you link me to a devblog or bluetag forum post where CCP promised us things? My advice to you, playa...
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:01:00 - [42] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: NextDark Knight wrote: I know this hurts most people.. but I'm not looking forward to the aim bots on PC. Won't be much different then Destiny's ridiculous aim assist. Dust 514 and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17220	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:05:00 - [43] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA No we wouldn't be able to tell you if it has been red lighted. At most the CPM would get frustrated with CCP about not telling the community quickly about it and that be most of it. Either way don't take the CPM's silence on a directed question as confirmation either; you'll get burned real quick. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3675	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:07:00 - [44] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Either way don't take the CPM's silence on a directed question as confirmation either; you'll get burned real quick. I feel so comforted right now Oh well, CCP is gonna CCP. If they don't open a dialogue with us they will have that many more issues in Legion. My advice to you, playa...
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1730	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:09:00 - [45] - Quote Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:14:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them People always bring up these promises CCP made. Can you link me to a devblog or bluetag forum post where CCP promised us things? Sorry dont want to finding thigies for you, some o them was full racial vehicles, weapons, structures and maps. Full coop and impact with Eve. Hell these thingies and wait i remember one of devs actually told something about how he support idea for future implementation of throphies even. I dont know if you want to troll me or make my post irrelevant or even mock me for dishonesty, but this thingies were told and i still waiting full of hope, for them to be future implements. Hell i dont care if they will make Legion or not (how i told i will not participate in that game), i will be actually glad if everything will be connected later to some kind of big picture scheme (what can actually be awesome), but hell there is still that many thingies not implemented and unfinished. I will gladly put another ideas and money and i will still believe in future of Dust, because i like this game even its unfinished in my eyes. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17220	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:16:00 - [47] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them People always bring up these promises CCP made. Can you link me to a devblog or bluetag forum post where CCP promised us things? Sorry dont want to finding thigies for you, some o them was full racial vehicles, weapons, structures and maps. Full coop and impact with Eve. Hell these thingies and wait i remember one of devs actually told something about how he support idea for future implementation of throphies even. I dont know if you want to troll me or make my post irrelevant or even mock me for dishonesty, but this thingies were told and i still waiting full of hope, for them to be future implements. Hell i dont care if they will make Legion or not (how i told i will not participate in that game), i will be actually glad if everything will be connected later to some kind of big picture scheme (what can actually be awesome), but hell there is still that many thingies not implemented and unfinished. I will gladly put another ideas and money and i will still believe in future of Dust, because i like this game even its unfinished in my eyes. Mind you the EP who made those promises is no longer with us. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:18:00 - [48] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell Someone promised "L4z0r p0in73d" development too boyo "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:19:00 - [49] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them People always bring up these promises CCP made. Can you link me to a devblog or bluetag forum post where CCP promised us things? Sorry dont want to finding thigies for you, some o them was full racial vehicles, weapons, structures and maps. Full coop and impact with Eve. Hell these thingies and wait i remember one of devs actually told something about how he support idea for future implementation of throphies even. I dont know if you want to troll me or make my post irrelevant or even mock me for dishonesty, but this thingies were told and i still waiting full of hope, for them to be future implements. Hell i dont care if they will make Legion or not (how i told i will not participate in that game), i will be actually glad if everything will be connected later to some kind of big picture scheme (what can actually be awesome), but hell there is still that many thingies not implemented and unfinished. I will gladly put another ideas and money and i will still believe in future of Dust, because i like this game even its unfinished in my eyes. Mind you the EP who made those promises is no longer with us. And thats all, just "he is not here=we dont want", or how do you meant it?! You want to tell me, CCP dont want to do it?! "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 209	Posted - 2014.10.14 14:22:00 - [50] - Quote Honestly u know what boyos, im out of this conversation. Beause more time what i spent in this thread im more and more negative and i dont want be. Sorry if i insult someone or if i made bad blood, but whatever XP "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

Awesome Pantaloons Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 623	Posted - 2014.10.14 15:47:00 - [51] - Quote I want Project Legion DEAD! "Awesome Pants don't care. Awesome Pants don't give a s**t."
RayRay James Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 500	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:10:00 - [52] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Also, I might try Eve Online again. I played it years ago and got bored with high sec. I'll probably start a new account, immediately fly to low sec, then attempt to get myself rekt. Don't start fresh, dust off the old clone and let me know if you do, I might join you
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3680	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:15:00 - [53] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Don't start fresh, dust off the old clone and let me know if you do, I might join you I am not even sure I remember what email address it was connected to... he's also impressively broke My advice to you, playa...
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1009	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:36:00 - [54] - Quote They are quiet on Legion for one simple fact. Every Legion announcement will give more people reason to scream Dust is dead now. Im glad to see they learned a little something from the botched announcement. Personally I do not expect to hear anything for another 6 months to a year when they come out and say hey guys here is the beta and here is what Dust will lose/gain. The money from all these newly dropped BPOs is going the same place it always has most likely. This includes paying the server bills and for the employees who are working on the two games.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9750	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:46:00 - [55] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The money from all these newly dropped BPOs is going the same place it always has most likely. This includes paying the server bills and for the employees who are working on the two games. Paying the teams, perhaps. But definitely not for maintaining the servers. Eve Online's subscriptions cover all of that. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Immortal John Ripper 25095	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:52:00 - [56] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mind you the EP who made those promises is no longer with us. And thats all, just "he is not here=we dont want", or how do you meant it?! You want to tell me, CCP dont want to do it?! He means that management for Dust 514 has shifted. The guy in charge before teased us and talked about things he wanted but could never deliver. The hype was real, the results were not. Since management shifted, we should not blame the new guy in charge for not delivering on things the last guy promised. Ratatti does not want to make us promises he can't keep. CCP has learned their lesson and he is well aware of the past. I believe he is trying to focus on a more realistic point of view. In this case, IWS is right. Dear Diary - The thoughts of a madman.
General John Ripper 25102	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:52:00 - [57] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mind you the EP who made those promises is no longer with us. And thats all, just "he is not here=we dont want", or how do you meant it?! You want to tell me, CCP dont want to do it?! He means that management for Dust 514 has shifted. The guy in charge before teased us and talked about things he wanted but could never deliver. The hype was real, the results were not. Since management shifted, we should not blame the new guy in charge for not delivering on things the last guy promised. Ratatti does not want to make us promises he can't keep. CCP has learned their lesson and he is well aware of the past. I believe he is trying to focus on a more realistic point of view. In this case, IWS is right. Dear Diary - The thoughts of a madman.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1009	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:53:00 - [58] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The money from all these newly dropped BPOs is going the same place it always has most likely. This includes paying the server bills and for the employees who are working on the two games. Paying the teams, perhaps. But definitely not for maintaining the servers. Eve Online's subscriptions cover all of that. No we have separate servers for the pub battles (see battle server region list) Eve does not use these so they would not be footing that bill. Tranquility is primarily for character accounts and for communication that happens between Eve and Dust (FW / PC)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3683	Posted - 2014.10.14 16:53:00 - [59] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: Ratatti does not want to make us promises he can't keep. Wouldn't it be CCP Rouge? Rattati is in control of Dust 514 things, but Rouge still calls the shots on Legion, I believe. ... of course I could be wrong, the guy hasn't talked to us in a year. My advice to you, playa...
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2549	Posted - 2014.10.14 17:47:00 - [60] - Quote Project legion has to live to be the spiritual successor to DUST 514, as DUST 514 is on a Console. Statistically Consoles have always dominated the FPS market for Sales and Players, but unfortunately always without exception die out, the PS4 is impending doom, essentially. DUST 514 has a good amount still left in it and I still play it regularly, but unlike the PC you just can't make a long-term game on Console... Especially since the architecture for the newer consoles is always so different you can't just simply "Port everything over." "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4918	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:20:00 - [61] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3694	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:25:00 - [62] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. I think just having a Legion dev pop into Legion GD and ask the occasional question would be incredibly encouraging. "Hey folks, which HUD looks better: A, B, C, or D"... at least then it appears like they are involving us in development. My advice to you, playa...
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:33:00 - [63] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. I think just having a Legion dev pop into Legion GD and ask the occasional question would be incredibly encouraging. "Hey folks, which HUD looks better: A, B, C, or D"... at least then it appears like they are involving us in development. It's a headscratcher. Instead they have a bunch of rumors that it's not happening at all and people are moving on. It's like they are aliens and they don't understand how humans behave. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3237	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:35:00 - [64] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads Second let me ask you this *Why So Serious?* While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation. Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason. Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta. Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome. I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter. In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1009	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:44:00 - [65] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. People are regaining some trust that Dust will have a future thanks to Rat and crew. Hyping Legion at this stage in the game would remind people of the fact that all the progress COULD just be moved over and every thing done Dust side was for nothing if they do not have a PC.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.10.14 18:56:00 - [66] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. People are regaining some trust that Dust will have a future thanks to Rat and crew. Hyping Legion at this stage in the game would remind people of the fact that all the progress COULD just be moved over and every thing done Dust side was for nothing if they do not have a PC. I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? Not having something about Legion at Eve Vegas such a missed opportunity. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4172	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:01:00 - [67] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time? Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:14:00 - [68] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time? Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it. No, I don't see CCP having two FPS games attached to the same universe. Would there be a Dust FW and a Legion FW going on at the same time? Would they detach Dust completely? It seems very unlikely to me. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
howard sanchez 968	Posted - 2014.10.14 19:47:00 - [69] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads Second let me ask you this *Why So Serious?* While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation. Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason. Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta. Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome. I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter. In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: PS ~ I still strongly believe in communication between CCP and the Community and heartily support the notion of there being more information supplied with regards to development generally and Legion specifically. That being said I also give credit where it is due, Logibro and Rattati have made substantial strides in community interaction/involvement in the hotfix process and IMO we as players (especially those of us who've been around long enough to contract 'bitter vet' syndrome) should not let the past mistakes of others overshadow the current accomplishments of the guys working Dust development now. Glad I kept reading this thread. Thanks Cross - good to see you in game and here as well - this is the most encouraging post I have read this summer and it will influence my decisions regarding spending in support of DUST514. ...
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 605	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:23:00 - [70] - Quote Legion is in full scale active development. The majority of the dust crew are working on it. Everything is under NDA. Done. Their (CCP) just being secretive, so they don't overpromise, as mentioned earlier. Combine that with bad communication and some scandinavian reserve and reticence, and you get the stonewalling we have now. I hope they are working their nuts off on legion. There really is a masterpiece hidden somewhere in this game's design. Find it. The slow blade penetrates the shield.

Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3243	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:39:00 - [71] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Cross Atu wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads Second let me ask you this *Why So Serious?* While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation. Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason. Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta. Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome. I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter. In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: PS ~ I still strongly believe in communication between CCP and the Community and heartily support the notion of there being more information supplied with regards to development generally and Legion specifically. That being said I also give credit where it is due, Logibro and Rattati have made substantial strides in community interaction/involvement in the hotfix process and IMO we as players (especially those of us who've been around long enough to contract 'bitter vet' syndrome) should not let the past mistakes of others overshadow the current accomplishments of the guys working Dust development now. Glad I kept reading this thread. Thanks Cross - good to see you in game and here as well - this is the most encouraging post I have read this summer and it will influence my decisions regarding spending in support of DUST514. Glad you kept reading too howard, it is great to see some of my 'beta bros' from closed still active both here and in games. Hope to catch another match with you before too long o7 Best, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3243	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:40:00 - [72] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Legion is in full scale active development. The majority of the dust crew are working on it. Everything is under NDA. Done. Their (CCP) just being secretive, so they don't overpromise, as mentioned earlier. Combine that with bad communication and some scandinavian reserve and reticence, and you get the stonewalling we have now. I hope they are working their nuts off on legion. There really is a masterpiece hidden somewhere in this game's design. Find it. I like this guy. I give him a +1 I also support his current sig line Nicely done sir, nicely done. 0.02 ISK Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3243	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:43:00 - [73] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time? Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it. No, I don't see CCP having two FPS games attached to the same universe. Would there be a Dust FW and a Legion FW going on at the same time? Would they detach Dust completely? It seems very unlikely to me. I was very much of this view as I was elected, so believe me when I say that I totally see your point. I have since encountered a few things that make me think it is far more plausible than I believed prior. Will it come to pass? At this point your guess is as good as mine. But *could* it come to pass? Yes, I now believe that it actually could, at least for a time. Take it for what it's worth. Cheers, Cross See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
Kaeru Nayiri Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 87	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:52:00 - [74] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: [...] First of all, you're under no obligation to do so, it's entirely your own choice. Now I'm biased to a certain degree as my personal spending on the game is apparently in the top tier, therefore I'm more inclined to spend money on the game anyway. That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase. I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well. Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7 Wow, this part of your post has sparked my curiosity to the max. Am I going to regret not having bought those BPOs now? I don't really intend to use militia gear.
Tesfa Alem Death by Disassociation 231	Posted - 2014.10.14 20:57:00 - [75] - Quote Put your effort into Dust, for your enjoyment of Dust 514. If legion dies, then thats the end of the IP. If Legion lives, the only thing it will have in common with dust is the IP. Your stats wont be the same, the skill tree wont be the same. Tthe foundation of the game is going to be fundamentally ddifferent. Legion is bieng made for CCP's largest playing base, EVE online. Legion lives or Legion dies, it should make no difference as far as Dust is concerned. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Immortal John Ripper 25107	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:03:00 - [76] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Immortal John Ripper wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: 'CPM1 tells us that Legion is still under development' We say this because we've not heard anything to the contrary. If we had, we'd be unable say so because of the NDA. so if legion is redlight, you can't even tell us?!?! While CCP may push more aurum sales to us? I am sure this has to be some kind of typo or momentary error in logic. #IHATENDA Of course we couldn't tell you. We signed an NDA. That said, I think if we stopped talking or answering questions about it, you could make a pretty good guess as to its status. A part of me must still be a little naive and hopeful. I thank you for this. I will be prepared for legions failure. Whatever happens, I won't be here crying about it.. I am prepared and ready for the worst. Dear Diary - The thoughts of a madman.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4924	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:03:00 - [77] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: Put your effort into Dust, for your enjoyment of Dust 514. If legion dies, then thats the end of the IP. If Legion lives, the only thing it will have in common with dust is the IP. Your stats wont be the same, the skill tree wont be the same. Tthe foundation of the game is going to be fundamentally ddifferent. Legion is bieng made for CCP's largest playing base, EVE online. Legion lives or Legion dies, it should make no difference as far as Dust is concerned. Do you actually believe that? Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 212	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:07:00 - [78] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time? Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it. Do you really think people will buy PC just because of same state of "good games" on Pc platform?! C'mon its same on pc like on consoles. Time of great games is gone, its really difficult to see some interestinf and fresh titles on any of platforms. Hell buying a new pc for Legion, like really..honestly i see really small procentual count from orthodox player base will do something like that. Argument about 400bucks on this or that is really irelewant if situation is same on every platform. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4924	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:14:00 - [79] - Quote I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion. I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 3701	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:15:00 - [80] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion. I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction. If Dust 514 had PvE I would probably develop a gaming habit on par with back when I played vanilla WoW; 3+ hours a day, even on weekdays. CCP would have to open additional bank accounts to hold all of the money I would give them. My advice to you, playa...

postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 212	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:20:00 - [81] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion. I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction. Not me honestly, i like this game, but i will not buying pc just for one f2p game. I playing good ol' games on my ol' i5 2.3ghz nvidia gforce gt 540m laptop and i know i basicaly dont need spent other money on something what will need tower with water cooling and card half year old in 2016 for playing dust with pve and better graphix. If they push it on ps4 oki maybe after some time, but pc NAAH "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17225	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:21:00 - [82] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. People are regaining some trust that Dust will have a future thanks to Rat and crew. Hyping Legion at this stage in the game would remind people of the fact that all the progress COULD just be moved over and every thing done Dust side was for nothing if they do not have a PC. I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? Not having something about Legion at Eve Vegas such a missed opportunity. I disagree, I think forcing legion to show up at Eve Vegas would be a disservice. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 212	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:24:00 - [83] - Quote Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before. And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17225	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:30:00 - [84] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before. And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big. Occasional status report would be nice but at the scale of the project's primordial, and shifting soup as similarly what all projects; big time events are not the place for projects yet to be greenlit. Still CCP should be putting forward the effort to communicate. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Forlorn Destrier Havok Dynasty 2784	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:33:00 - [85] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say). I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 213	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:35:00 - [86] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before. And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big. Occasional status report would be nice but at the scale of the project's primordial, and shifting soup as similarly what all projects; big time events are not the place for projects yet to be greenlit. Still CCP should be putting forward the effort to communicate. Honestly they communictae more now, than before boyo. Status report about project what is in napies, i think info is for nothing here. Oki we know ccp workin' on it (because there wasnt annoucement for cancelation or freez) and for what other stories?! Im more into dust anyway and sadly i didnt saw anything about it on EvE vegas fest "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17225	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:37:00 - [87] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say). Can't even call it an alpha. Alphas don't happen until after Greenlights and Vertical Slice passes. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
Judge SoTa PoP Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 57	Posted - 2014.10.14 21:42:00 - [88] - Quote A disservice to who? Legion? It's about showing what you have done already in 6 months, we don't need to see anything other then what they have, that's all. That is honestly not asking for much.
Duke Noobiam Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 190	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:27:00 - [89] - Quote As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community. I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it. CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer. Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing. All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites. For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you. How do you kill that which has no life?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4931	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:33:00 - [90] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier..... =nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. People are regaining some trust that Dust will have a future thanks to Rat and crew. Hyping Legion at this stage in the game would remind people of the fact that all the progress COULD just be moved over and every thing done Dust side was for nothing if they do not have a PC. I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date. Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3? Not having something about Legion at Eve Vegas such a missed opportunity. I disagree, I think forcing legion to show up at Eve Vegas would be a disservice. How? Google marketing Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4931	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:36:00 - [91] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before. And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big. Occasional status report would be nice but at the scale of the project's primordial, and shifting soup as similarly what all projects; big time events are not the place for projects yet to be greenlit. Still CCP should be putting forward the effort to communicate. I don't think anyone was expecting Legion to be greenlit at Eve Vegas. But screenshots, a hint at features, something. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 215	Posted - 2014.10.14 23:40:00 - [92] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community. I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it. CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer. Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing. All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites. For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you. I dont think CCP owes me anything, i'll be just glad if there will be some major upgrades and implements in future, thats all. I spent some money too (like a thx to a visible improvements to game) and im prepared to put some more money, only what i want (thats meant like what i will like to see) is some future love, for dust maybe with some new thingies, nothing else. If they'll make some implements i will be glad, if they implement everything what i saw before i'll be in seventh heaven. Thats all. I dont want be like i was before, toxic with every that bshate what i told. I want be supportive about Dust and about CCP. Hell im glad we have Dust, i dont know how it will be with legion, but i like dust and i like lore around dust and EvE. I just pray for some implements i do not demand them, i just believe "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."*
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 17229	Posted - 2014.10.15 00:00:00 - [93] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: How? Google marketing Google Marketing Disasters. Oh wait we dont have to look far we already know one! CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Assault Rifles =// Unlocked
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 1394	Posted - 2014.10.15 00:30:00 - [94] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. CCP will present something at Fan Fest 2015. It might be a RIP sign or a demo. Maybe a successful PVE demo would garner an actual prototype announcement but it is too early to wonder about it. @Aeon Amadi, Fan Fest will provide the answers you seek, for better or worse. In New Eden no SP is wisely spent. CCP will Nerf the reason right out from under you.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4932	Posted - 2014.10.15 01:20:00 - [95] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: How? Google marketing Google Marketing Disasters. Oh wait we dont have to look far we already know one! That wasn't marketing. That was the opposite. Not using Eve Vegas to create a little hype is stupid. There is no other way to describe it. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 393	Posted - 2014.10.15 01:59:00 - [96] - Quote Do you realize that World of Darkness were 'developed' to the last days.. sorry I could not resist. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9023	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:17:00 - [97] - Quote Considering that Legion was known about from October 2013 but CCP didn't announce anything until May 2014 so they had something cool looking to show on the non -Dust/EVE players, I imagine the same thing is happening now. They're so concerned with the public image of their new band that they don't even want to talk about it until they have something cool to show the gaming community at large. Still, a monthly update saying "Hey guys, no one at the office died and we're still working on Legion" would be nice. Use that quote word for word the first Monday of each month if you must, so long as it is accurate. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
sabre prime Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 609	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:34:00 - [98] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase. I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well. Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7 I found this intriguing. You had my curiosity, now you have my attention... We know that all the dropsuits in Legion will work as BPOs. Are you trying to imply that the BPOs on sale now will transfer to Legion, and that having these BPOs will give players an advantage or benefit in Legion somehow? The slow blade penetrates the shield.
Atiim 12944	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:37:00 - [99] - Quote What doesn't live cannot die. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3254	Posted - 2014.10.15 02:40:00 - [100] - Quote Atiim wrote: What doesn't live cannot die. And with strange aeons even death may die. See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2184	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:04:00 - [101] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion. You think wrong then. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 9034	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:19:00 - [102] - Quote Some more food for thought, think of all the times we reference Dust's 2009 showcase in disappointment. I don't particularly blame CCP for not wanting to show anything yet, but at least keep is updated that things are moving. Silence is interpreted as the game is dead. Amarr are the good guys Join "PIE Ground Control" for secure Amarr FW syncing and orbital support
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1734	Posted - 2014.10.15 06:59:00 - [103] - Quote sabre prime wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase. I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well. Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7 I found this intriguing. You had my curiosity, now you have my attention... We know that all the dropsuits in Legion will work as BPOs. Are you trying to imply that the BPOs on sale now will transfer to Legion, and that having these BPOs will give players an advantage or benefit in Legion somehow? CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University Vist dustcpm.com
soulreaper73 PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 1169	Posted - 2014.10.15 11:39:00 - [104] - Quote I do not get it. It hurts no one as a company to say a game is still being developed or its not. It is called honesty and being open. It does not require details, just a simple yes a game is being made or no it is no longer being made. I can see both sides of the argument. The company could be fearful that if they reveal it is no longer being developed, then what is left in dust will turn into exactly that dust, because no one at all will be playing anymore due to anger. I can also see the players standpoint, after getting railroaded at fanfest, the players and even most ardent fanboys no longer trust CCP. As a result, they want more openness. A simple yes or no, would suffice for most players. It is pointless to ask the CPMs about it either, as they have signed NDAs. I have previously warned folks that CCP is just like EA, Activision, Bungie, Rockstar, etc. They are a developer and their sole goal is to make money. Some of you folks really painted a picture of them as rainbows and sugar plum fairies in your minds prior to the whole fan fest debacle. Welcome to the real world.
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6709	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:00:00 - [105] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads Second let me ask you this *Why So Serious?* While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation. Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason. Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta. Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome. I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter. In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: PS ~ I still strongly believe in communication between CCP and the Community and heartily support the notion of there being more information supplied with regards to development generally and Legion specifically. That being said I also give credit where it is due, Logibro and Rattati have made substantial strides in community interaction/involvement in the hotfix process and IMO we as players (especially those of us who've been around long enough to contract 'bitter vet' syndrome) should not let the past mistakes of others overshadow the current accomplishments of the guys working Dust development now. The problem here is you have inside information that we don't (and from the looks of things likely won't until Fanfest). Asking to support a game/franchise that we know nothing about with a developer that's proven only to be reliable at changing course every-time there's a new EP, to us, sounds like a horrible and terrible investment and you honestly can't expect anyone to do it based solely on hope. I'll bring Destiny in as an example: People were pre-ordering that game before it even had screenshots and gameplay video... All it had was concept art and three paragraphs describing (essentially) Borderlands. Just as well, they were taking pre-orders on 'next gen consoles' before those consoles were even announced. However, people still pre-ordered the ever living **** out of it because it was being developed by Bungie (reputable for the Halo franchise) and published by Activision (Call of Duty). They knew that whatever this game was, it was going to be quality. How wrong they were. The point of the matter though is that CCP doesn't have that kind of reputation as either a developer or a publisher, so taking those kind of chances just doesn't work. To me, it seems they're writing marketing checks their studio can't cash. We -NEED- something to go off of if they want our investment and they need our investment if they want to continue developing something for us to go off of. The key difference here is that we don't have anything to lose from this little cold war of information. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6709	Posted - 2014.10.16 01:06:00 - [106] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say). The shift in course started in November when CCP Rouge signed on and Project Legion's development started. Do try to know what you're talking about before you stand at the podium, please. Duke Noobiam wrote: As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community. I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it. CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer. Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing. All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites. For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you. You misunderstand the entire point of this thread: We get it, you're defending CCP to the death and using the same rhetoric (herp derp CCP doesn't owe you self-entitled whiners anything). So, allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand: If they don't show something worth paying for.... We don't pay. If we don't pay.... They're out of a job. If they're out of a job.... There isn't anything to show anyway. It's sound and logical reasoning on the consumers' part. Who has more to lose here? { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2594	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:25:00 - [107] - Quote All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement. I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 238	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:35:00 - [108] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement. I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13584	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:37:00 - [109] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement. I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES Not that different. "We were commanded to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocents caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
postapo wastelander Wasteland Desert Rangers 238	Posted - 2014.10.16 02:54:00 - [110] - Quote True Adamance wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement. I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES Not that different. But still different, in style, core, skilling, mechanix, gameplay, lore. Ergo different. "Ultimate Loggi since 2012 and Pirmatar Yaaaaaargh."

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 492	Posted - 2014.10.16 04:41:00 - [111] - Quote GÇª we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel. Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do. Lol. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6710	Posted - 2014.10.16 05:17:00 - [112] - Quote Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: GÇª we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel. Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do. Lol. Plot twist. Fanfest 2015 is going to be them saying they're stopping development for Project Legion to start up Project Apocrypha, the Xbox One exclusive. And it'll be a turn-based card game. { \| bittervetmode = 1 I } == Description == This player has reached their breaking point [[Category: Angry]]
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 770	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:49:00 - [113] - Quote Stefan Stahl wrote: Personally, my money is on Legion being scrapped, its assets being deleted (no more RAM on that PS3, sorry) and then all future efforts directed towards Eve and Valkyrie until the latter is scrapped too. I'm just going to sit here quietly and eat my own words. ... Well, at least the ones about no more new assets in Dust ...
Cpt McReady Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 120	Posted - 2014.10.16 15:51:00 - [114] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote: GÇª we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel. Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do. Lol. Plot twist. Fanfest 2015 is going to be them saying they're stopping development for Project Legion to start up Project Apocrypha, the Xbox One exclusive. And it'll be a turn-based card game. do not forget the following releases for Android & IOS devices
Duke Noobiam Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 192	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:25:00 - [115] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say). The shift in course started in November when CCP Rouge signed on and Project Legion's development started. Do try to know what you're talking about before you stand at the podium, please. Duke Noobiam wrote: As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community. I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it. CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer. Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing. All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites. For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you. You misunderstand the entire point of this thread: We get it, you're defending CCP to the death and using the same rhetoric (herp derp CCP doesn't owe you self-entitled whiners anything). So, allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand: If they don't show something worth paying for.... We don't pay. If we don't pay.... They're out of a job. If they're out of a job.... There isn't anything to show anyway. It's sound and logical reasoning on the consumers' part. Who has more to lose here? You misunderstand the entire point of my post so allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand... If you play this game regularly, you obviously feel it has value. If you play regularly and refuse to pay, then you are a freeloader and basically a parasite. How do you kill that which has no life?
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 4212	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:31:00 - [116] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: If you play this game regularly, you obviously feel it has value. If you play regularly and refuse to pay, then you are a freeloader and basically a parasite. In reality, if there were no free players, there would not be nearly as many people for the paying customers to shoot. On the other hand, if there weren't paying customers, there would be no game for the free players to play at all. And there's always the chance and hope that free players excited by new stuff might choose to buy in at a later date. (Psst... buy Quafe suits!) CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4972	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:35:00 - [117] - Quote The only people that believe a game is actually free to play are those who believe in unicorns. My favorite are the people that bash on those who do spend money and call it pay to win. Level 4 Forum Warrior Help Me Reach Level 5
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 417	Posted - 2014.10.16 16:37:00 - [118] - Quote They're buying lambo's and chilling with Brazilian chics! Wouldn't you lol? "Anybody order chaos?"
Ratticate Y.A.M.A.H 9	Posted - 2014.12.11 18:36:00 - [119] - Quote Aeon, your link for "Nothing to show for Legion" in your signature led me to an Ebay sight, was this intended as a troll or what? A proud member of the Y.A.M.A.H. corporation, apply today to one of the fastest growing corps out there!
FIRSTNAME- lastname Direct Action Resources 23	Posted - 2014.12.11 19:28:00 - [120] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You have the right idea man props to that TO JOIN DAR

Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2892	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:46:00 - [121] - Quote I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7410	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:08:00 - [122] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. Right. As much as Dust 514 is and will be, it can't survive regardless of how good it becomes. The New Eden Shooter Experience -can't- survive on the PS3 and it was a mistake to release it on a seven year old (at the time) console to begin with. As far as the transfer thing, I have no idea. All the new BPOs, apart from going against the New Eden spirit in that it completely eliminates the aspect of risk, aren't going to transfer to Legion in the same form anyway. It was announced that all suits (or just the one? CCP Z described it as an 'iron man suit' so who knows) were going to be BPOs and that the tiered system (std/adv/proto) would not longer be a factor. BPOs aren't going to survive the transition, at least not in the sense that they are now, and likewise shouldn't (in my opinion). But yanno, I'm cool with that, I've always hated the idea of BPOs to begin with because they never cost anything. Well, except real money, but that should never impact the game in the way that it does in Dust 514. I'd be totally chill with BPO's if we had to craft them out of salvaged parts or still paid ISK for them. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1041	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:12:00 - [123] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7410	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:16:00 - [124] - Quote da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1041	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:27:00 - [125] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Yes I remember, problem is if CCP decides to also put it on the ps4 Legion will only go as far as the hardware on the ps4 and Sony will let it. And I see that it is unfair to abandon the console only people from the Dust playerbase. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 241	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:44:00 - [126] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Well if my somewhat limited knowledge of development and middle management vs. upper management is any indicator, the money is going into a possibly futile attempt to justify a bigger budget to handle more development and more feature creation in the product which they hope will result in more income.
DaReaperPW Net 7 49	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:47:00 - [127] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not get it. It hurts no one as a company to say a game is still being developed or its not. It is called honesty and being open. It does not require details, just a simple yes a game is being made or no it is no longer being made. I can see both sides of the argument. The company could be fearful that if they reveal it is no longer being developed, then what is left in dust will turn into exactly that dust, because no one at all will be playing anymore due to anger. I can also see the players standpoint, after getting railroaded at fanfest, the players and even most ardent fanboys no longer trust CCP. As a result, they want more openness. A simple yes or no, would suffice for most players. It is pointless to ask the CPMs about it either, as they have signed NDAs. I have previously warned folks that CCP is just like EA, Activision, Bungie, Rockstar, etc. They are a developer and their sole goal is to make money. Some of you folks really painted a picture of them as rainbows and sugar plum fairies in your minds prior to the whole fan fest debacle. Welcome to the real world. At this point however, it WILL hurt ccp to say either way. Thats the problem. The Rouge wedding was done so disaterously bad, that coming out now and saying 'yea guys sorry, but legion is dead' will make ccp look even more rediculous. The backlash fomr the people who stayed and were looking farward to legion will be huge. You wll then have people who maybe gave ccp money in hopes it will help fund legion now wanting a refund. At the same time, if they say legion is a go, thish could have the potential of making people who may be willing to play dust and give it money more discouraged. Add into the fact that if say in a year or two they pull the plug anyway, they just shot themselves in the foot. It is much better to wait, have legion at a really good state, so that they have stuff that can get the base excited, which will drive players to keep playing dust and prepaire, OR wait for dust to restabliaze and have a strong base then announce pulling the plug on legion. CCP is a company, money is the important thing, they need money to make legion, they screwed up once, i doubt they will do that again, which is why they are quite. Either they are waititng till soemthing more solid is availble we can see, or they are waiting till dust is stable to kill legion. I lean towrds the former
DaReaperPW Net 7 49	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:51:00 - [128] - Quote da GAND wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Yes I remember, problem is if CCP decides to also put it on the ps4 Legion will only go as far as the hardware on the ps4 and Sony will let it. And I see that it is unfair to abandon the console only people from the Dust playerbase. Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5032	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:21:00 - [129] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform. Sony and CCP have a great relationship. If CCP had issues with Sony, their next game project wouldn't also be in partnership with Sony. o_o Valkyrie is meant for both PC and PS4 release. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1046	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:26:00 - [130] - Quote Whether the relationship is good or not doesn't quite matter to me at this point. Sticking to the PC is still looking to me like the best way to in terms of development speed+quality and for the future with nearly no hardware limitations. Should Legion be on the ps4?

dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3175	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:50:00 - [131] - Quote Space Engineers. If you want a reason to buy a PC this is it. Take a look at how these guys manage their projects as well. Small shop and they must be the hardest working devs in gaming. Thursdays they release new stuff. CCP could learn so much by observing how these guys interact with their players. Humphrey Bogart (1899-1957) I should never have switched from scotch to martinis.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1049	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:10:00 - [132] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Space Engineers. If you want a reason to buy a PC this is it. Take a look at how these guys manage their projects as well. Small shop and they must be the hardest working devs in gaming. Thursdays they release new stuff. CCP could learn so much by observing how these guys interact with their players. They could also learn by watching other development companies are interacting with their community. Two examples such as the devs working on Heroes & Generals, and Warhammer 40k Eternal Crusade. They do live streams and show what progress they've made lately and what's coming to their game. Although it's pretty cool how CCP has made a roadmap for dust and is letting the community post ideas up on Trelo which seems simpler and less choatic than these forums. But still no news about Legion. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7456	Posted - 2014.12.15 18:51:00 - [133] - Quote Alternatively they could just learn from CCP Iceland and not repeat the -same exact mistakes they did-. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
DaReaperPW Net 7 51	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:09:00 - [134] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform. Sony and CCP have a great relationship. If CCP had issues with Sony, their next game project wouldn't also be in partnership with Sony. o_o Valkyrie is meant for both PC and PS4 release. still doesn;t mean they did not have issues. Issues could be simply that they could not get the updates out fast enough or the way they wanted, or they have hit a snag trying to link the two properly. But you'd know better then me so shrugs
lateriss ObscuriLateris 15	Posted - 2014.12.18 15:53:00 - [135] - Quote Just spread the word as "Eve Mercenaries" across the internet about Project Legion on the PC. You can start with your favorite gamers website. >...>
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4249	Posted - 2015.01.08 18:32:00 - [136] - Quote I love pc but the ps4 would be their best bet. Pc has to many good games for anyone outside of Eve to care about legion. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7743	Posted - 2015.01.08 18:56:00 - [137] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I love pc but the ps4 would be their best bet. Pc has to many good games for anyone outside of Eve to care about legion. Perhaps. Then again, PC would instantly have the Eve player base wanting to tap into it, so there's no building of a player base. PS4 would have the same problem as the PS3 in that it would always be limited by the specs that it has and would require a whole new game every time for every next generation of console that followed. With PC, they'd have the same advantage they have with Eve Online in that they could constantly update it independently of a publisher, as much as they want, only being limited by their own capabilities. Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
Moorian Flav 285	Posted - 2015.01.08 19:05:00 - [138] - Quote On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
DaReaperPW Net 7 69	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:27:00 - [139] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger."
Nomed Deeps 412	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:29:00 - [140] - Quote At least what he said was true. Quote: "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger." And if what you said is also true, please post that again after you're dead. I apologize if that is harsh but I am not much of a fan of Legion or Legion related hype. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7743	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:49:00 - [141] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.." ~ H.P. Lovecraft Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
DaReaperPW Net 7 69	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:22:00 - [142] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: At least what he said was true. Quote: "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger." And if what you said is also true, please post that again after you're dead. I apologize if that is harsh but I am not much of a fan of Legion or Legion related hype. You clearly are also not a Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones fan hehe
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 102	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:19:00 - [143] - Quote If, I say bring dust514 to the PS4.


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