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Thor Odinson42
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before. And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big. Occasional status report would be nice but at the scale of the project's primordial, and shifting soup as similarly what all projects; big time events are not the place for projects yet to be greenlit. Still CCP should be putting forward the effort to communicate.
I don't think anyone was expecting Legion to be greenlit at Eve Vegas. But screenshots, a hint at features, something.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:40:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community.
I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it.
CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer.
Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing.
All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites.
For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you.
I dont think CCP owes me anything, i'll be just glad if there will be some major upgrades and implements in future, thats all. I spent some money too (like a thx to a visible improvements to game) and im prepared to put some more money, only what i want (thats meant like what i will like to see) is some future love, for dust maybe with some new thingies, nothing else. If they'll make some implements i will be glad, if they implement everything what i saw before i'll be in seventh heaven. Thats all.
I dont want be like i was before, toxic with every that b*shate what i told. I want be supportive about Dust and about CCP.
Hell im glad we have Dust, i dont know how it will be with legion, but i like dust and i like lore around dust and EvE. I just pray for some implements i do not demand them, i just believe
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:00:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: How? Google marketing
Google Marketing Disasters. Oh wait we dont have to look far we already know one!
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KalOfTheRathi
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Posted - 2014.10.15 00:30:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.
Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.
Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?
Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. CCP will present something at Fan Fest 2015. It might be a RIP sign or a demo. Maybe a successful PVE demo would garner an actual prototype announcement but it is too early to wonder about it.
@Aeon Amadi, Fan Fest will provide the answers you seek, for better or worse.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.15 01:20:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote: How? Google marketing
Google Marketing Disasters. Oh wait we dont have to look far we already know one!
That wasn't marketing. That was the opposite.
Not using Eve Vegas to create a little hype is stupid. There is no other way to describe it.
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.10.15 01:59:00 -
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Do you realize that World of Darkness were 'developed' to the last days.. sorry I could not resist.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:17:00 -
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Considering that Legion was known about from October 2013 but CCP didn't announce anything until May 2014 so they had something cool looking to show on the non -Dust/EVE players, I imagine the same thing is happening now. They're so concerned with the public image of their new band that they don't even want to talk about it until they have something cool to show the gaming community at large. Still, a monthly update saying "Hey guys, no one at the office died and we're still working on Legion" would be nice. Use that quote word for word the first Monday of each month if you must, so long as it is accurate.
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:34:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote: That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase.
I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well.
Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7
I found this intriguing. You had my curiosity, now you have my attention...
We know that all the dropsuits in Legion will work as BPOs. Are you trying to imply that the BPOs on sale now will transfer to Legion, and that having these BPOs will give players an advantage or benefit in Legion somehow?
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:37:00 -
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Cross Atu
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:What doesn't live cannot die. And with strange aeons even death may die.
See a cool idea thread? Mail me the title and I'll take a look =)
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Bendtner92
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.10.15 06:04:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion. You think wrong then.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.10.15 06:19:00 -
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Some more food for thought, think of all the times we reference Dust's 2009 showcase in disappointment. I don't particularly blame CCP for not wanting to show anything yet, but at least keep is updated that things are moving. Silence is interpreted as the game is dead.
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Kevall Longstride
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Posted - 2014.10.15 06:59:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote: That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase.
I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well.
Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7
I found this intriguing. You had my curiosity, now you have my attention... We know that all the dropsuits in Legion will work as BPOs. Are you trying to imply that the BPOs on sale now will transfer to Legion, and that having these BPOs will give players an advantage or benefit in Legion somehow?
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soulreaper73
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:39:00 -
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I do not get it. It hurts no one as a company to say a game is still being developed or its not. It is called honesty and being open. It does not require details, just a simple yes a game is being made or no it is no longer being made.
I can see both sides of the argument. The company could be fearful that if they reveal it is no longer being developed, then what is left in dust will turn into exactly that dust, because no one at all will be playing anymore due to anger.
I can also see the players standpoint, after getting railroaded at fanfest, the players and even most ardent fanboys no longer trust CCP. As a result, they want more openness. A simple yes or no, would suffice for most players. It is pointless to ask the CPMs about it either, as they have signed NDAs.
I have previously warned folks that CCP is just like EA, Activision, Bungie, Rockstar, etc. They are a developer and their sole goal is to make money. Some of you folks really painted a picture of them as rainbows and sugar plum fairies in your minds prior to the whole fan fest debacle.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 01:00:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.
Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.
Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?
Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads Second let me ask you this Why So Serious?While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation.Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason. Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta. Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome. I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter. In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen. 0.02 ISK Cross EDIT: PS ~ I still strongly believe in communication between CCP and the Community and heartily support the notion of there being more information supplied with regards to development generally and Legion specifically. That being said I also give credit where it is due, Logibro and Rattati have made substantial strides in community interaction/involvement in the hotfix process and IMO we as players (especially those of us who've been around long enough to contract 'bitter vet' syndrome) should not let the past mistakes of others overshadow the current accomplishments of the guys working Dust development now.
The problem here is you have inside information that we don't (and from the looks of things likely won't until Fanfest). Asking to support a game/franchise that we know nothing about with a developer that's proven only to be reliable at changing course every-time there's a new EP, to us, sounds like a horrible and terrible investment and you honestly can't expect anyone to do it based solely on hope.
I'll bring Destiny in as an example: People were pre-ordering that game before it even had screenshots and gameplay video... All it had was concept art and three paragraphs describing (essentially) Borderlands. Just as well, they were taking pre-orders on 'next gen consoles' before those consoles were even announced. However, people still pre-ordered the ever living **** out of it because it was being developed by Bungie (reputable for the Halo franchise) and published by Activision (Call of Duty). They knew that whatever this game was, it was going to be quality.
How wrong they were.
The point of the matter though is that CCP doesn't have that kind of reputation as either a developer or a publisher, so taking those kind of chances just doesn't work. To me, it seems they're writing marketing checks their studio can't cash. We -NEED- something to go off of if they want our investment and they need our investment if they want to continue developing something for us to go off of. The key difference here is that we don't have anything to lose from this little cold war of information.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 01:06:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.
Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.
Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?
Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say).
The shift in course started in November when CCP Rouge signed on and Project Legion's development started. Do try to know what you're talking about before you stand at the podium, please.
Duke Noobiam wrote:As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community.
I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it.
CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer.
Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing.
All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites.
For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you.
You misunderstand the entire point of this thread: We get it, you're defending CCP to the death and using the same rhetoric (herp derp CCP doesn't owe you self-entitled whiners anything). So, allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand:
If they don't show something worth paying for.... We don't pay. If we don't pay.... They're out of a job. If they're out of a job.... There isn't anything to show anyway. It's sound and logical reasoning on the consumers' part.
Who has more to lose here?
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 02:25:00 -
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All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement.
I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.16 02:35:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement.
I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny
Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.10.16 02:37:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement.
I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES
Not that different.
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postapo wastelander
Wasteland Desert Rangers
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Posted - 2014.10.16 02:54:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:All legion needs is money, time, and lots of advertisement.
I am fully convinced that if the core mechanics are fixed, Legion will be even better than Destiny Dust and Destiny = DIFFERENT GAMES Not that different.
But still different, in style, core, skilling, mechanix, gameplay, lore. Ergo different.
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2014.10.16 04:41:00 -
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GǪ we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel.
Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do.
Lol.
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Aeon Amadi
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 05:17:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:GǪ we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel.
Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do.
Lol.
Plot twist. Fanfest 2015 is going to be them saying they're stopping development for Project Legion to start up Project Apocrypha, the Xbox One exclusive.
And it'll be a turn-based card game.
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Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
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Posted - 2014.10.16 15:49:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:Personally, my money is on Legion being scrapped, its assets being deleted (no more RAM on that PS3, sorry) and then all future efforts directed towards Eve and Valkyrie until the latter is scrapped too. I'm just going to sit here quietly and eat my own words.
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Cpt McReady
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.16 15:51:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:GǪ we will no longer be able to trust anything that CCP says beyond the shadow of a doubt. Also, CCP will prove they are the sad also ran of a game company they have fought so hard to dispel.
Go ahead CCP, make a slick video for fanfest about what you'd like to do instead of what you actually have been able to do.
Lol. Plot twist. Fanfest 2015 is going to be them saying they're stopping development for Project Legion to start up Project Apocrypha, the Xbox One exclusive. And it'll be a turn-based card game. do not forget the following releases for Android & IOS devices |
Duke Noobiam
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.
Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.
Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?
Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say). The shift in course started in November when CCP Rouge signed on and Project Legion's development started. Do try to know what you're talking about before you stand at the podium, please. Duke Noobiam wrote:As a grown man who does software development for a living I am blown away at how many self entitled whiners there are in the DUST community.
I've spent about $150 on this game and I have no regrets. I have no regrets because it's a game I play almost every day and I've derived hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment from it.
CCP owes me nothing. I won't pout and whine and insist that CCP tell me what they are doing when the reality is that I didn't even pay enough money to cover one days wages for a developer.
Unless you commission the work and pay for the whole project, then CCP owes you nothing.
All you freeloaders who play this game everyday while refusing to pay because you "don't approve of the direction CCP is taking" are basically parasites.
For those few who invested significant amounts of money, I can understand that you are disappointed and I want to thank you for supporting the game, but those are the breaks and you should of understood that nothing is owed to you.
You misunderstand the entire point of this thread: We get it, you're defending CCP to the death and using the same rhetoric (herp derp CCP doesn't owe you self-entitled whiners anything). So, allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand: If they don't show something worth paying for.... We don't pay. If we don't pay.... They're out of a job. If they're out of a job.... There isn't anything to show anyway. It's sound and logical reasoning on the consumers' part. Who has more to lose here?
You misunderstand the entire point of my post so allow me to demonstrate in words you can understand...
If you play this game regularly, you obviously feel it has value. If you play regularly and refuse to pay, then you are a freeloader and basically a parasite.
How do you kill that which has no life?
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:31:00 -
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Duke Noobiam wrote:If you play this game regularly, you obviously feel it has value. If you play regularly and refuse to pay, then you are a freeloader and basically a parasite.
In reality, if there were no free players, there would not be nearly as many people for the paying customers to shoot. On the other hand, if there weren't paying customers, there would be no game for the free players to play at all.
And there's always the chance and hope that free players excited by new stuff might choose to buy in at a later date. (Psst... buy Quafe suits!)
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:35:00 -
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The only people that believe a game is actually free to play are those who believe in unicorns.
My favorite are the people that bash on those who do spend money and call it pay to win.
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Bradric Banewolf
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:37:00 -
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They're buying lambo's and chilling with Brazilian chics! Wouldn't you lol?
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Ratticate
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:36:00 -
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Aeon, your link for "Nothing to show for Legion" in your signature led me to an Ebay sight, was this intended as a troll or what?
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Direct Action Resources
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.
Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.
Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?
Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. You have the right idea man props to that
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