DUST Search - So, if Project Legion dies...

da GAND wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

da GAND wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

"Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!"
* "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?"
"No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter."
* "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?"
"Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!"
* "What does that mean?"
"*silence for 6 months.*"

So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have.

We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion.

And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go.

True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came.

Yes I remember, problem is if CCP decides to also put it on the ps4 Legion will only go as far as the hardware on the ps4 and Sony will let it.

And I see that it is unfair to abandon the console only people from the Dust playerbase.

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Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Capital Punishment. 2892	Posted - 2014.12.11 20:46:00 - [121] - Quote I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7410	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:08:00 - [122] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. Right. As much as Dust 514 is and will be, it can't survive regardless of how good it becomes. The New Eden Shooter Experience -can't- survive on the PS3 and it was a mistake to release it on a seven year old (at the time) console to begin with. As far as the transfer thing, I have no idea. All the new BPOs, apart from going against the New Eden spirit in that it completely eliminates the aspect of risk, aren't going to transfer to Legion in the same form anyway. It was announced that all suits (or just the one? CCP Z described it as an 'iron man suit' so who knows) were going to be BPOs and that the tiered system (std/adv/proto) would not longer be a factor. BPOs aren't going to survive the transition, at least not in the sense that they are now, and likewise shouldn't (in my opinion). But yanno, I'm cool with that, I've always hated the idea of BPOs to begin with because they never cost anything. Well, except real money, but that should never impact the game in the way that it does in Dust 514. I'd be totally chill with BPO's if we had to craft them out of salvaged parts or still paid ISK for them. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1041	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:12:00 - [123] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7410	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:16:00 - [124] - Quote da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1041	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:27:00 - [125] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Yes I remember, problem is if CCP decides to also put it on the ps4 Legion will only go as far as the hardware on the ps4 and Sony will let it. And I see that it is unfair to abandon the console only people from the Dust playerbase. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Vesta Opalus Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 241	Posted - 2014.12.11 21:44:00 - [126] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. Well if my somewhat limited knowledge of development and middle management vs. upper management is any indicator, the money is going into a possibly futile attempt to justify a bigger budget to handle more development and more feature creation in the product which they hope will result in more income.
DaReaperPW Net 7 49	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:47:00 - [127] - Quote soulreaper73 wrote: I do not get it. It hurts no one as a company to say a game is still being developed or its not. It is called honesty and being open. It does not require details, just a simple yes a game is being made or no it is no longer being made. I can see both sides of the argument. The company could be fearful that if they reveal it is no longer being developed, then what is left in dust will turn into exactly that dust, because no one at all will be playing anymore due to anger. I can also see the players standpoint, after getting railroaded at fanfest, the players and even most ardent fanboys no longer trust CCP. As a result, they want more openness. A simple yes or no, would suffice for most players. It is pointless to ask the CPMs about it either, as they have signed NDAs. I have previously warned folks that CCP is just like EA, Activision, Bungie, Rockstar, etc. They are a developer and their sole goal is to make money. Some of you folks really painted a picture of them as rainbows and sugar plum fairies in your minds prior to the whole fan fest debacle. Welcome to the real world. At this point however, it WILL hurt ccp to say either way. Thats the problem. The Rouge wedding was done so disaterously bad, that coming out now and saying 'yea guys sorry, but legion is dead' will make ccp look even more rediculous. The backlash fomr the people who stayed and were looking farward to legion will be huge. You wll then have people who maybe gave ccp money in hopes it will help fund legion now wanting a refund. At the same time, if they say legion is a go, thish could have the potential of making people who may be willing to play dust and give it money more discouraged. Add into the fact that if say in a year or two they pull the plug anyway, they just shot themselves in the foot. It is much better to wait, have legion at a really good state, so that they have stuff that can get the base excited, which will drive players to keep playing dust and prepaire, OR wait for dust to restabliaze and have a strong base then announce pulling the plug on legion. CCP is a company, money is the important thing, they need money to make legion, they screwed up once, i doubt they will do that again, which is why they are quite. Either they are waititng till soemthing more solid is availble we can see, or they are waiting till dust is stable to kill legion. I lean towrds the former
DaReaperPW Net 7 49	Posted - 2014.12.12 20:51:00 - [128] - Quote da GAND wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: da GAND wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I mentioned it when Legion was first announced: it has the potential to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. "Hey guys! We are making Legion! It is supposed to be what DUST was meant to be all along! It will be on the PC!" * "Wait a minute... Does that mean that you can't get DUST to be DUST and are stopping development?" "No! DUST will just be different. It will be a lobby shooter." * "So you are bait and switching us. We put money into DUST 514 on the PS3 because you said it was going to be, well, DUST 514. Now you tell us we are playing the wrong game?" "Don't worry. Your investment will transfer!" * "What does that mean?" "silence for 6 months." So we go crazy. We hate Legion because we are made at CCP for moving the goal post. So now CCP can look at it and go "I guess they don't want Legion" when we do want Legion; we just don't want CCP to handle information release and DUST as poorly as they have. We need Legion because CCP already said "we can't do it on PS3." That right there should be reason enough for the game to be green light and have everything transfer. Just call it DUST 514 rather than EVE: Legion. And onto the platform it should've started with: PC , development wise it'll be the best way to go. True enough but there is the consideration that we are abandoning the console playerbase that Dust 514 had established, which was a major concern when the Legion announcement came. Yes I remember, problem is if CCP decides to also put it on the ps4 Legion will only go as far as the hardware on the ps4 and Sony will let it. And I see that it is unfair to abandon the console only people from the Dust playerbase. Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5032	Posted - 2014.12.12 21:21:00 - [129] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform. Sony and CCP have a great relationship. If CCP had issues with Sony, their next game project wouldn't also be in partnership with Sony. o_o Valkyrie is meant for both PC and PS4 release. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1046	Posted - 2014.12.13 04:26:00 - [130] - Quote Whether the relationship is good or not doesn't quite matter to me at this point. Sticking to the PC is still looking to me like the best way to in terms of development speed+quality and for the future with nearly no hardware limitations. Should Legion be on the ps4?

dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3175	Posted - 2014.12.15 15:50:00 - [131] - Quote Space Engineers. If you want a reason to buy a PC this is it. Take a look at how these guys manage their projects as well. Small shop and they must be the hardest working devs in gaming. Thursdays they release new stuff. CCP could learn so much by observing how these guys interact with their players. Humphrey Bogart (1899-1957) I should never have switched from scotch to martinis.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1049	Posted - 2014.12.15 16:10:00 - [132] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Space Engineers. If you want a reason to buy a PC this is it. Take a look at how these guys manage their projects as well. Small shop and they must be the hardest working devs in gaming. Thursdays they release new stuff. CCP could learn so much by observing how these guys interact with their players. They could also learn by watching other development companies are interacting with their community. Two examples such as the devs working on Heroes & Generals, and Warhammer 40k Eternal Crusade. They do live streams and show what progress they've made lately and what's coming to their game. Although it's pretty cool how CCP has made a roadmap for dust and is letting the community post ideas up on Trelo which seems simpler and less choatic than these forums. But still no news about Legion. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Aeon Amadi Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7456	Posted - 2014.12.15 18:51:00 - [133] - Quote Alternatively they could just learn from CCP Iceland and not repeat the -same exact mistakes they did-. Long-Term Roadmap More Hard Questions
DaReaperPW Net 7 51	Posted - 2014.12.16 00:09:00 - [134] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Honestly, i think ccp had issues with sony, which is why they are movign away from PS to PC. And its easier to control on the same platform. Sony and CCP have a great relationship. If CCP had issues with Sony, their next game project wouldn't also be in partnership with Sony. o_o Valkyrie is meant for both PC and PS4 release. still doesn;t mean they did not have issues. Issues could be simply that they could not get the updates out fast enough or the way they wanted, or they have hit a snag trying to link the two properly. But you'd know better then me so shrugs
lateriss ObscuriLateris 15	Posted - 2014.12.18 15:53:00 - [135] - Quote Just spread the word as "Eve Mercenaries" across the internet about Project Legion on the PC. You can start with your favorite gamers website. >...>
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4249	Posted - 2015.01.08 18:32:00 - [136] - Quote I love pc but the ps4 would be their best bet. Pc has to many good games for anyone outside of Eve to care about legion. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7743	Posted - 2015.01.08 18:56:00 - [137] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: I love pc but the ps4 would be their best bet. Pc has to many good games for anyone outside of Eve to care about legion. Perhaps. Then again, PC would instantly have the Eve player base wanting to tap into it, so there's no building of a player base. PS4 would have the same problem as the PS3 in that it would always be limited by the specs that it has and would require a whole new game every time for every next generation of console that followed. With PC, they'd have the same advantage they have with Eve Online in that they could constantly update it independently of a publisher, as much as they want, only being limited by their own capabilities. Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
Moorian Flav 285	Posted - 2015.01.08 19:05:00 - [138] - Quote On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
DaReaperPW Net 7 69	Posted - 2015.01.08 20:27:00 - [139] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger."
Nomed Deeps 412	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:29:00 - [140] - Quote At least what he said was true. Quote: "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger." And if what you said is also true, please post that again after you're dead. I apologize if that is harsh but I am not much of a fan of Legion or Legion related hype. I cannot be bought, but I can be leased.

Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7743	Posted - 2015.01.08 21:49:00 - [141] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: On a semi-positive note: Something that never existed could never die. "That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.." ~ H.P. Lovecraft Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
DaReaperPW Net 7 69	Posted - 2015.01.08 23:22:00 - [142] - Quote Nomed Deeps wrote: At least what he said was true. Quote: "What is dead may never die. But rises again, harder and stronger." And if what you said is also true, please post that again after you're dead. I apologize if that is harsh but I am not much of a fan of Legion or Legion related hype. You clearly are also not a Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones fan hehe
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet 102	Posted - 2015.01.10 02:19:00 - [143] - Quote If, I say bring dust514 to the PS4.


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