Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier.....

=nutshell

I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF.

If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion.

I think just having a Legion dev pop into Legion GD and ask the occasional question would be incredibly encouraging. "Hey folks, which HUD looks better: A, B, C, or D"... at least then it appears like they are involving us in development.

Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.

Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.

Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514?
Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?

Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold.

I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF.

If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion.

People are regaining some trust that Dust will have a future thanks to Rat and crew. Hyping Legion at this stage in the game would remind people of the fact that all the progress COULD just be moved over and every thing done Dust side was for nothing if they do not have a PC.

I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date.

Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3?

You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time?

Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it.

Aeon, bro, first let me say that it is good to see you around again and reiterate my offer to start catching some squads

Second let me ask you this Why So Serious?
While explicit details are beyond the scope of what is allowed by the NDA in this context I can say this much
When I was elected CPM I had no intention of spending another dime in Dust 514. However as recently as this month I purchased the largest AUR pack with no trepidation.

Make of that what you will, but you've known me for awhile man and while nothing in gaming - or life - is ever secure or certain not really I'd like to think you know by now that I do not make my choices without consideration and reason.

Will my reasons always match everyone elses? Of course not because no one can legitimately claim that is true, but here is something that is true due to my interactions with the CCP Dust team I went from casual play status back to capping out at least one character every week. Could something still go wrong? Sure, something could always still go wrong this is life so I am not pretending otherwise but I can simply and bluntly say that this is the most confidence I have had in the Dust team since sometime in closed beta.

Here is something else that is true, the more support - and yes of course this includes spending money on the game - that Dust gets the better the chances of a positive outcome. The less support - which also includes active players and constructive actionable feedback - the game gets the lower the chances of a positive outcome.

I realize that is pretty much basic reasoning, but it is also - simply put - the heart of the matter.

In the end, everyone makes their own choices based on what they want to see happen.

0.02 ISK
Cross

EDIT: PS ~ I still strongly believe in communication between CCP and the Community and heartily support the notion of there being more information supplied with regards to development generally and Legion specifically.
That being said I also give credit where it is due, Logibro and Rattati have made substantial strides in community interaction/involvement in the hotfix process and IMO we as players (especially those of us who've been around long enough to contract 'bitter vet' syndrome) should not let the past mistakes of others overshadow the current accomplishments of the guys working Dust development now.

Glad I kept reading this thread. Thanks Cross - good to see you in game and here as well - this is the most encouraging post I have read this summer and it will influence my decisions regarding spending in support of DUST514.

Legion is in full scale active development. The majority of the dust crew are working on it. Everything is under NDA. Done.

Their (CCP) just being secretive, so they don't overpromise, as mentioned earlier. Combine that with bad communication and some scandinavian reserve and reticence, and you get the stonewalling we have now.

I hope they are working their nuts off on legion. There really is a masterpiece hidden somewhere in this game's design. Find it.

No, I don't see CCP having two FPS games attached to the same universe.

Would there be a Dust FW and a Legion FW going on at the same time? Would they detach Dust completely?

It seems very unlikely to me.

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First of all, you're under no obligation to do so, it's entirely your own choice. Now I'm biased to a certain degree as my personal spending on the game is apparently in the top tier, therefore I'm more inclined to spend money on the game anyway. That said, with the NDA, I have a privileged awareness of some matters ahead of the playerbase.

I've purchased ALL the new BPO, including the nova knifes which I've never used in the game ever and I feel no sense of conflict in encouraging others to do so as well.

Read into that what you will but I'm a happy dust player and I don't see that changing anytime soon. o7

Of course we couldn't tell you. We signed an NDA.

That said, I think if we stopped talking or answering questions about it, you could make a pretty good guess as to its status.

Put your effort into Dust, for your enjoyment of Dust 514.

If legion dies, then thats the end of the IP. If Legion lives, the only thing it will have in common with dust is the IP. Your stats wont be the same, the skill tree wont be the same. Tthe foundation of the game is going to be fundamentally ddifferent. Legion is bieng made for CCP's largest playing base, EVE online.

Legion lives or Legion dies, it should make no difference as far as Dust is concerned.

You don't see how a console game and a PC game could carry on at the same time?

Plus, a lot of free-to-play gamers aren't going to drop $400 on a new console with like three good games on it.

I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion.

I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction.

I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion.

I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction.

I don't see any way that Dust and Legion carry on at the same time. So by not talking about Legion at all, it leads me to believe that Dust most certainly has an expiration date.

Plus it's on the PS3. How long will people stick around in numbers on the PS3?

Not having something about Legion at Eve Vegas such a missed opportunity.

Honestly i think this too, if legion is in early stadium it will seem like they have still nothing than that "onetank map" what we saw before.
And if Legion will be that big and contains PvE aspect too, how they told, it will take some time to develop something like that big.

Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes.

Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups.

Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514?
Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..?

Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold.

Occasional status report would be nice but at the scale of the project's primordial, and shifting soup as similarly what all projects; big time events are not the place for projects yet to be greenlit.

Still CCP should be putting forward the effort to communicate.

You do realize that CCP has said that no decision has been made about greenlighting a project that is still very much in Alpha stages, right? It's only been 5 months - games take much longer than that to get to a point where it is ready to be greenlit (not a year like you say).

I disagree, I think forcing legion to show up at Eve Vegas would be a disservice.