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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:13:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Been something I've been badgering the guys on Skype about. While I love the idea of Legion, it kind of angers me that we're pouring so much effort into a game that would be Dust 514 as it was intended (let alone without being green lit) and abandoning the game that is actually pulling revenue, at least as far as active development goes. My guess is CCP determined Legion would be, in the end, more profitable than Dust 514 would be.
It is a question of RoI (return on investment). CCP can put the revenue generated by Dust 514 into Dust 514 to generate ($X) or they can put the money into Legion development and receive ($X+1). Like any for-profit business they chose the route that they believe will make them more money.
Aeon Amadi wrote:Considering the sheer lack of communication and status updates about Legion, I'm starting to get the impression that it didn't get green lit/is still up in the air... Which, I can't help but wonder what you do with an entire development team that went off to make a game without 100% authorization from the higher ups. CPM1 continues to tell us that Legion is in development and that they are beating down CCP's door trying to get them to talk to us about it CCP is ignoring them and choosing to remain perfectly silent. That does not make me more confident in Legion's development.
If we learn anything it will be during fanfest 2015.
Aeon Amadi wrote:Do they drop Legion all together and essentially have wasted an entire year of development to come back to Dust 514? Do they take the White Wolf - World of Darkness route and just fade away..? Doubtful. They would have announced it in a similar fashion to how they announced WoW was dead. Plus the CPM1 says development on Legion is ongoing.
Aeon Amadi wrote:Inquiring minds need to know where all the money is going from these BPOs that are suddenly being sold. CCP. That's where the money is going. As a consumer, that's all we get to know. If you want to know more then buy some CCP stock and become a shareholder. Then they might tell you a bit more about where their R&D money is flowing.
Edit: CCP may be privately owned. In that case, find a way to become an investor Otherwise, just accept that CCP doesn't have to tell you what they are doing with their money.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:39:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:You have to kind of wonder why the bloody hell any of us should even buy the BPOs/Boosters anymore when we don't know that the revenue is being put into anything that contributes to the longevity of the game we're playing, be it on the PS3 or on the PC. Then don't spend money on a game with the mindset that it must exist 1 year from now. Ask yourself, "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?" If the answer is yes, then buy whatever it is. If it is no, then don't.
Take this advice and you will enjoy gaming a great deal more.
Aeon Amadi wrote:And as far as the CPM whispering sweet nothings in our ear about Project Legion - bear in mind that the CPM 0 for the longest time had a rather hopeful outlook on their faces up until the Project Legion announcement at Fanfest; when the curtain was pulled to reveal the nebulous concept that, "Hey, we've -TECHNICALLY- been doing development!". So, I'd take that as a grain of salt because (like just about everything else) there's very little to show for it as proof. Familiarize yourself with this legal concept.
Aeon Amadi wrote:To be completely honest, if I were an investor, I'd be kinda pissed at the whole situation. As a consumer, I have to think like an investor at times and this is one of them. Why should I invest in something that I have no idea is being put to good use, despite simply being told (repeatedly I might add) that it -is- being put to good use? See above: "Will spending $X on this game provide me enjoyment for at least 30 days?"
Aeon Amadi wrote:Just assume for a second that Project Legion -did not- get green lit... That development for both Legion and Dust 514 has been cancelled. What good does it do to spend money on it? That's the assumption I have until I see something concrete. Spending money on it should add something resembling entertainment to your life. Stop caring about what CCP does with the that money and start caring about if your purchase will add enjoyment to your weekends.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:42:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Well if we're expected to take that advice, let's all just go play more worthy games and let this one die off in peace, lol. If you really feel that way then head off to greener pastures I'm still having fun playing Dust 514 and I want to see where this Legion thing is going, so I'm going to stick around.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:49:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:And if it doesn't go anywhere? Since I've been basing my purchases on enjoyment rather than being a puesdo-investor, it's not a loss. I got to play a fun sci-fi FPS set in New Eden.
I tried Destiny, it was mediocre at best and didn't really grab me. Borderlands 2 was my favorite FPS prior to Dust so I might play it again. The BL Pre-sequel doesn't advance the story so I won't be buying it. I recently got a PSVita and I've been playing some old PSone games on it; Tactics Ogres, FF Tactics, Castlevania SotN, and a few others.
Also, I might try Eve Online again. I played it years ago and got bored with high sec. I'll probably start a new account and immediately fly to low sec and attempt to get myself rekt.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:03:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Honestly nope, in MAG there was healhty push bz game to playing cooperatively. PL2 most strategic level is just Zerging the base. (trust me i played that game for really long time) The largest PS2 battle was something approaching 2,000 players. It was fighting over one base and lasted around 40 minutes. There are videos of it on Youtube...
Now I'm not a mathematician but ~2,000 > 256
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:13:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Oki once again. Coop and strategy (MAG) against Zergin' (Pl2) I go for Coop Pay close attention. Here was the original comment IWS made...
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:postapo wastelander wrote:Nope boyo pinnacle was MAG with 256 players online PS2 had trumped that card at launch. though lately its hard to find anything larger than a dust 514 squad to go kill in that game. He was replying to the size of battles in MAG vs. PS2. I don't think he said anything about the quality of game play in one or the other Just that PS2 had bigger fights than MAG.
Now that we have cleared that up, I'll stop derailing the thread.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:39:00 -
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Hansei Kaizen wrote:I really hope I am wrong though, and all this silence was just a symptom of "must work faster, no time for community-management". If I had to venture a guess, I would say that CCP is remaining quiet about Legion because they do not want to overpromise ("laser focus") like they did in the early days of Dust 514.
They would rather underpromise, then overperform than overpromise, then underperform.
Again, just my guess.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:00:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:So what's the hold up..? Why keep absolutely silent - haven't we already come to the conclusion a billion times over that silence can lead to nothing but bad things? They can tell CCP this 1,000,000 a day and that will not make CCP actually do anything.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:01:00 -
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postapo wastelander wrote:Same here, first of all dont have Pc for it, second of all dont want to buy pc for it and third and most important thingie there was some thingies what was promised some time ago and i basicaly still waiting for them People always bring up these promises CCP made. Can you link me to a devblog or bluetag forum post where CCP promised us things?
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Either way don't take the CPM's silence on a directed question as confirmation either; you'll get burned real quick. I feel so comforted right now Oh well, CCP is gonna CCP. If they don't open a dialogue with us they will have that many more issues in Legion.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:15:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Don't start fresh, dust off the old clone and let me know if you do, I might join you I am not even sure I remember what email address it was connected to... he's also impressively broke
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:53:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:Ratatti does not want to make us promises he can't keep. Wouldn't it be CCP Rouge? Rattati is in control of Dust 514 things, but Rouge still calls the shots on Legion, I believe.
... of course I could be wrong, the guy hasn't talked to us in a year.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 18:25:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Kevall Longstride wrote:Someone mentioned not wanting to overpromise earlier.....
=nutshell I just don't see what they have to lose by talking about Legion. It either happens or it doesn't. But not talking about it certainly has an effect. People are giving up on whatever hope they recaptured after getting kicked in the gut at FF. If they talk about Legion and it doesn't happen then it's over. I've tried, but I can't come up with any good reasons for CCP to be silent about Legion. I think just having a Legion dev pop into Legion GD and ask the occasional question would be incredibly encouraging. "Hey folks, which HUD looks better: A, B, C, or D"... at least then it appears like they are involving us in development.
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Posted - 2014.10.14 21:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I think it will be next to impossible for any person that's ever been under Dust's spell to NOT get a PC to play Legion.
I think of Dust with PVE on better hardware and I worry about needing to get therapy for gaming addiction. If Dust 514 had PvE I would probably develop a gaming habit on par with back when I played vanilla WoW; 3+ hours a day, even on weekdays. CCP would have to open additional bank accounts to hold all of the money I would give them.
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