DUST Search - CCP Logic, guys please look at yourselves.

All Channels

General Discussions

CCP Logic, guys please look at yourselves.

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 3 post(s)
Zindorak G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1011	Posted - 2014.10.03 11:36:00 - [61] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Later on the Scrambler Rifle is introduced and was pretty balanced besides some slight mechanic issues but CCP saw that "it wasn't being used as much as the Plasma Rifle" so they buffed it to what it was Pre-Delta. Even though this happened people still cried for plasma Rifle Nerfs and later on the Rail and Combat Rifle are introduced (at extremely OP levels) and everyone is completely fine with the OP rifles and completely forgets that they were just trying to nerf the now underperforming rifle. That says a lot Thank you finally someone understands me. Nerfing the ScR was stupid because clearly the RR and CR were better at the time. The ScR was completely balanced and rarely used except on an Amarr Assault, Commando or Scouts. The CR now got a nerf because it lost it's wonderful 5 10 damage profile. RR has only got a damage nerf. Was it enough? Hell No! the damn thing kills things so quickly. If this thing doesn't get a nerf IDK what im gonna do. Sometimes i cant believe what the community wants nerfed and buffed Pokemon master! Death to all Swarm scrubs CCP please buff AScR and normal AR :(
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:03:00 - [62] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: You're foolish if you wish to assume that I want a pubstomp simply because of my tag. And you're on the CPM? get out of here. My problem is that when squading with my teammates it results in our team being the only one to push objectives while everybody else runs and hides. You seriously find this acceptable? Or are your past biases getting in the way here since you wish to bring up my corp? My point isn't to insult your corp, if anything it's a complement. My point is, that if an FA squad is on one side, you can expect the other side to have more of the better players of the remaining 26 people in the room, because it's needed to compensate for your team's abilities. If you guys are the best in the room, you are going to have to carry your team. Because your Mu score says you can. Then why am I running into a squad of fatal absolution and a squad of molon labe on one side and not a single squad on the other? The Mu system is pitifully easy to fool, all I need do is afk to lower it then stomp face. If they que synched into the same match then squaded while in the match it would remove the squad based multiplier The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1235	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:06:00 - [63] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: 3) If you want to stop the whining of the stomping then i suggest a respec. That way those that currently cant stomp will be able to (simply cause of misplaced skill points we all know that every noob puts all their skills every where instead of on just one thing) making things more balanced than they ever have been. Until CCP and its developers is willing to do everything in their power to improve the game then i cant sit by and not think that you arent trying to run the game into the ground as nothing more than a beta for another game for PC. I totally agree with the first statement that I pointed out and is one of the main reasons that I talk about skill point refunds , not because I get tired of getting stomped but because SO MANY OTHERS talk about this same thing every day . A refund would help those balance out their respected characters , taking points from items and skills that they probably don't use at all if any and gives them the ability to place those necessary and vital points in areas that can become of greater use , so that these same players ... when placed a match with random players , could curb the stomping and also defend themselves better against such occurrences and allow them to HAVE SOME FRACKING FUN FOR A CHANGE . More interest means more money and if they are playing the game more it's helpful for all parties involved , what's so hard about that ???? The last statement could reflect this belief because it's " common " things that are missed but could be done to create a more exciting environment and experience but because you have some EVE players and some in the corporate brass with their heads up their @$$es , that's stopping this process from happening . So I can totally understand how Leanna feels because it is relevant and should be thought about and she's not the only one who feels this way and congrats to her for speaking her mind about how she feels because so many feel the same way and just don't say it . Keep being mislead by those whom you already have hooked CCP , they are giving you bad business advice and your missing out on so much but your killing yourself in the process while doing so , slowly . Most players are not asking for a refund to get out of FOTM and even if they were , why not allow it on a game that needs to generate money and numbers so that the tests and theories could be double checked and the data can be finalized . They are asking for a refund to re specialize their characters to the new environment that's current and to increase their playability and fun factor , they don't want to play other games more then they play Dust but missing out on these opportunities create such outcomes and you would have those in the community who would think lightly of such but if you have a business mind , you would know that this is damaging and something could be done to stave this is you would stop listening to all the wrong people and stop being so stiff necked and stuck in a certain way of conducting business . There is NO CLEAR CUT FOTM ANYMORE thanks to the efforts of rebalancing so this is not an excuse anymore and is a moot point in anyone's argument . More players with their hands in developing their character , creates a better environment with matchmaking and NPE because you would have better fights , those players who have done so .. would become more confident in their abilities and efforts , they would have more fun and there by play more and give the game a greater opportunity to create more money , I mean I can't understand why this is so strongly fought against when so many in the community asks for such and nothing but a positive outcome would come out of this being done ? Listening to the negative people in the community is hurting your business CCP , yes it might not seem like it now but if you just did the little things and stop listening to the nay says , then you might just see what so many are saying to you and it's not like they are trying to manipulate or damage what you have created , those who are nay saying are doing that .... the one's like Leanna are actually trying to help you to see what the voiceless say and feel . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1235	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:26:00 - [64] - Quote Another thing Rattati , If you don't read or even look at " rants " then your missing out on the whole point , some of the " ranters " are some of the MOST PASSIONATE players in the game and if you can't take constructive criticism then theirs no reason being in business where you deal with the public because everyone will not like what you do , in the substance of some of those rants ... might just be the message that the person was trying to make but because of their emotion , it was surrounded by that same emotion so it jumbled it up in a mixture of truth and passion . It's a part of being an adult when you can agree to not agree and being able to listen to all parties involved and understanding why a person is angry , might help you to solve their problems . They care and that's why they rant and are so passionate . Reading a post helps me to understand those who say things or create issues for goofing off or to get a response from the community , to see who's really seen something that needs to be brought to light because it can become a potential issue and those who are just frustrated with something in particular and just don't know how to handle what to do about it . Listen to the rants and you yourself could tell the difference but don't let a rant dictate what doesn't need to be done because it might be some truth in that rant . Delta should come with a SP or infantry SP refund so that a campaign for one is not needed .
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 383	Posted - 2014.10.03 13:44:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: 6) (...)Consistently getting a 1000 WP per battle, means you completely get the game, fitting and progression. Sorry but no, it's mean that you have camped enemy CRU, and they were just keep spawning. How much you can get WP in battle is not a determinant of how much you 'know the game'. Academy should be focus on learning game as whole. CCP Rattati wrote: 4) Please send me data on broken Teambuilding to [email protected]. I have yet to see a concrete example of unwarranted 2 stacked squads on one side and newberries on the other, and my inbox is full of screenshots from players. Yes, stomps happen, but they happen everywhere, even in the EPL, NBA and the NFL. When a 6 man squad from the best PC corp hits its stride, very few aside from a similar squad will stand a chance. Other than that, I don't get your point about Teambuilding, are you against having more even teams or? You can go play FW if you want to to try your luck, that feature doesn't use the new Teambuilder. I do not know how Mu works, I did not read it. But when I end up in match where in my team is just one squad with just one player, beside that there's a band of individuals, and we are against two squads of players(and I can tell that because of corp names) I think that something is not 'ok'. I think that problem is in how squads works generally - they share scanner proximity, so squad need one pro-amarr fitted for max scanning and everyone ales in squad can focus on max tank; not to mention how talking with squad-mates is OP. Why do I have to fight again squads competently alone? Why Mu think I'm up for that kind of challenge. Can we just made small Ambush matches 6v6, 12v12 for players that want to fight with they squads and matches where players can not create squads? Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5450	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:48:00 - [66] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: They care and that's why they rant and are so passionate . Indeed, we are passionate. But when we rant, we do so because (1) we lack sense or (2) we lack a solution. Take Kirk on the early Uprising Assault Rifle: Did the AR not dominate every killfeed of every battle, every day for 6+ months? Did the AR not outperform lasers (and everything else) at range? Did the AR not outperform HMGs (and everything else) up close? Does Kirk lack sense? Kirk maintains that everything was fine. That only real problem was with the Community, who failed to understand why one weapon should dominate gameplay on such extraordinary and prolonged scale. It was necessary and appropriate for the Gallente Fine Rifle to be the very best at all things. It was unnecessary and inappropriate for CCP to touch the Finest of Fine Rifles. Kirk's bias has overruled his sense. So Kirk rants. Or does Kirk lack a solution? Kirk maintains that while everything was fine with the Gallente Fine Rifle, there was a significant problem with comparative performance of every other weapon in the game. Kirk opposes any adjustment to the Finest of Fine Rifles, but at the same time recognizes that rebalancing all else against the AR would entail an extremely complex, error-prone and time-consuming effort. Something has to be done, but he can't think of what to do. Kirk lacks a solution. So Kirk rants. So in the case of AR-514, which bin do we put Kirk in? I honestly can't tell ... Sgt Kirk wrote: Assault Rifle nerfs in the old days This one is more towards the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community than CCP. A long time ago the Plasma Assault Rifle was the only General Purpose Rifle in the game and people complained that it was too good at a lot of things, even though the plasma rifle still had short range like now people complained that it was too good at what it did.....even though it was the only one that did what it did at the time so to fix this CCP decides to nerf the plasma Rifle, that's fine various variations did need a nerf but the general purpose rifle was fine. Cycles of Plasma Rifle Nerfs later and we see the Assault rifles in the pre-Delta form. Kinda useless overall and the best one [the standard assault rifle] was underperforming but there were no other general purpose rifles at the time so the community decides that the Assault Rifle is still too prominent on the field even though it was still the only assault rifle at the time and ask desperately to get the weapon nerfed. Thread after thread, the forums were filled with pleas to nerf the only general purpose rifle in the game because too many people used it. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 3371	Posted - 2014.10.03 14:58:00 - [67] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: 6) (...)Consistently getting a 1000 WP per battle, means you completely get the game, fitting and progression. Sorry but no, it's mean that you have camped enemy CRU, and they were just keep spawning. This is the crowning statement of bullsh*t I have seen in this thread so far. This is ceasing to be a discussion so much as an exercise in accusation and inciting argument over nitpicky crap. are you interested in a dialogue with the devs or is this your moment you have chosen as the best opportunity to berate them?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7755	Posted - 2014.10.03 15:55:00 - [68] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: They care and that's why they rant and are so passionate . Indeed, we are passionate. But when we rant, we do so because (1) we lack sense or (2) we lack a solution. Take, for example, Kirk on the early Uprising Assault Rifle ... Fun Facts The AR dominated every killfeed of every battle, every day for 6+ months. The AR consistently outperformed laser rifles (and everything else) at range. The AR consistently outperformed the HMG (and everything else) up close. Does Kirk lack sense? Kirk maintains that everything was fine. The only real problem was with the Community, who failed to understand why one weapon should dominate gameplay on such extraordinary and prolonged scale. It was necessary and appropriate for the Gallente Fine Rifle to be the very best at all things, including but not limited to aiming itself. It was unnecessary and inappropriate for CCP to touch the Finest of Fine Rifles. Kirk's bias has overruled his sense. So Kirk rants. Or does Kirk lack a solution? Kirk maintains that while everything was fine with the Gallente Fine Rifle, there was a significant problem with comparative performance of every other weapon in the game. Kirk opposes any adjustment to the Finest of Fine Rifles, but at the same time recognizes that rebalancing all else against the AR would entail an extremely complex, error-prone and time-consuming effort. Something has to be done, but he can't think of what to do. Kirk lacks a solution. So Kirk rants. So which bin do we put Kirk in? Read the following rant, and decide for yourself: Sgt Kirk wrote: Assault Rifle nerfs in the old days This one is more towards the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community than CCP. A long time ago the Plasma Assault Rifle was the only General Purpose Rifle in the game and people complained that it was too good at a lot of things, even though the plasma rifle still had short range like now people complained that it was too good at what it did.....even though it was the only one that did what it did at the time so to fix this CCP decides to nerf the plasma Rifle, that's fine various variations did need a nerf but the general purpose rifle was fine. Cycles of Plasma Rifle Nerfs later and we see the Assault rifles in the pre-Delta form. Kinda useless overall and the best one [the standard assault rifle] was underperforming but there were no other general purpose rifles at the time so the community decides that the Assault Rifle is still too prominent on the field even though it was still the only assault rifle at the time and ask desperately to get the weapon nerfed. Thread after thread, the forums were filled with pleas to nerf the only general purpose rifle in the game because too many people used it. Or you could completely ignore where I said that they needed some tune downs at some points but that's okay, try to make yourself look smart little man. See you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7755	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:07:00 - [69] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: walks back into thread Leaves thread Not even a reply Sorry, got sidetracked with life, I'm busier near the weekend than I am the week. I do appreciate the reply though and some points that I'd wish to bring up have already been addressed by other fellow DUSTers. See you space cowboy...
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12491	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:43:00 - [70] - Quote I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because there was no other general purpose weapon. Shotguns are only as popular as they are because you have a cloak, negating a huge part of the range disadvantage. Laser Rifle was **** after it was nerfed too hard due to being god in chromosome. Sniper Rifles are, well, long range weapons. HMG's had their "too accurate" thing, and have about 30m less range. Scrambler Rifles never did take off until Delta, but even before that those few who used them knew how powerful they are. There's a reason it's one of TWO weapons I got to proficiency IV with. Mass Drivers are supposed to be suppression tools, punishing those who push too hard And I can go on, but basically, it's the same reason that rifles and carbines are the most common weapons that IRL infantry ground units carry. It's general purpose. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12491	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:47:00 - [71] - Quote When more general purpose rifles were introduced, the HMG got fixed, the cloak got introduced (helping the shotty), the laser rifle got increased damage, you suddenly saw the AR being replaced on the kill feed. It was the least general purpose out of the general purpose rifles, since they all worked at all ranges, but the AR had the least range. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Bright Steel Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:03:00 - [72] - Quote I have seen MU for individual players work great! Every match without corp squads has been very balanced. The only thing that needs work is balancing the strong vet or corp squads. But I have confidence that Rattati is already watching this and collecting data to fix it right rather than guessing and that makes me happy. The current mega squads, such as FA, NS, gods among men and the like, are in a league of their own. I have seen hem literally walk through other squads and especially noobs. The only way to avoid this is a handicap. How many solo B players does it take to match one of these PC worthy vet squads? I'm just an average Player but I have switched roles to support a few random blues and watched the match turn completely around. My point is that balancing sqaud MU multiplier is very delicate and one very small veritable can dramatically effect balance. The Best Worst game you can't stop playing..... DUST
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 458	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:14:00 - [73] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Leanna I challenge you to provide proof then :D I already have in previous statements. Just read anything in this thread i typed about the subject and you will see the proof right before your very eyes. Not only that but like i said before gaming is a business. And like all businesses they are about making money. That in itself is proof enough. That's not proof. That's Editorial. No its simple logic and common sense something people like you these days seem to be lacking. Its simple business tactics nothing more yet you all have your head so far up CCP's butt that you cant see the truth behind my words. Its fine though keep smelling those "roses" eventually the truth will bite you in the butt later on and you will be wishing i hadnt been right. IF CCP keeps nerfing/buffing weapons to make us switch and spend more money, then how have I maintained the same KDR with the same suits/weapons/fits since before the Combat Rifle came out? You're right, they want to make money. That's no evile or bad, it's business. As you said, without money, there'd be no games but to claim CCP is intentionally screwing with the weapons to milk us of more is paranoia at its finest. Especially when most people disagree with you. Call me a sheeple all you want, but you have provided no proof other than your opinions. I know a guy who tinfoils his windows to keep radio waves out of his house. You sound like him without any proof.
Z3dog BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 6	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:39:00 - [74] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: - "Mu Data" That's apparently working as intended. Rattati it should never be "intended" that players squad up with each other only to see two squads on the other team and get wrecked because their friendlies are fresh out the Academy just for the sake of "equalizing Mu" numbers. This is not balanced, this is not fair to your players, this is not logical. Anyone who plays this game for long knows that squads are what win battles not individuals. It doesn't matter if you have an A-team squad with the best DUSTers if the enemy team has two decent squads that communicate with each other. This game may have slowly reverted back into a lobby shooter with shorter time to kill like you guys said you didn't want to do a few months back...but teamwork is still one of the major, critical factors on if you lose or not. Trust me Rattai and friends, I do understand the limitations in what we are dealing with, not a large player base, and regional servers to further strain the matchmaking pool but asking for the game to be balanced around squads seems like a fairly simple construct to have. Would there still be pub stomps? Yes, it's going to happen, you can't escape total victories in any game but you can do a much better job with this, I know the system is new and it takes time but my optimism for this new matchmaking system has went from cheerfully optimistic to slightly worried to completely bitter; and it's only been about a week! CCP Rattati wrote: 4) Please send me data on broken Teambuilding to [email protected]. I have yet to see a concrete example of unwarranted 2 stacked squads on one side and newberries on the other, and my inbox is full of screenshots from players. Yes, stomps happen, but they happen everywhere, even in the EPL, NBA and the NFL. When a 6 man squad from the best PC corp hits its stride, very few aside from a similar squad will stand a chance. Other than that, I don't get your point about Teambuilding, are you against having more even teams or? You can go play FW if you want to to try your luck, that feature doesn't use the new Teambuilder. Just gonna leave this here. http://imgur.com/Qp3vGkN Maybe I'll make my own thread and just image dump for the sake of transparency. I will certainly be able to gather enough material. Dust 5/14
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5454	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:40:00 - [75] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because... "Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Taki, Spkr "Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Cat, Kirk, Aeon, Ydubbs Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4864	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:49:00 - [76] - Quote Bright Steel wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: You're foolish if you wish to assume that I want a pubstomp simply because of my tag. And you're on the CPM? get out of here. My problem is that when squading with my teammates it results in our team being the only one to push objectives while everybody else runs and hides. You seriously find this acceptable? Or are your past biases getting in the way here since you wish to bring up my corp? My point isn't to insult your corp, if anything it's a complement. My point is, that if an FA squad is on one side, you can expect the other side to have more of the better players of the remaining 26 people in the room, because it's needed to compensate for your team's abilities. If you guys are the best in the room, you are going to have to carry your team. Because your Mu score says you can. Then why am I running into a squad of fatal absolution and a squad of molon labe on one side and not a single squad on the other? The Mu system is pitifully easy to fool, all I need do is afk to lower it then stomp face. If they que synched into the same match then squaded while in the match it would remove the squad based multiplier Lol, that doesn't happen Level 4 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Kensai Dragon DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2014.10.03 17:59:00 - [77] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: So are you suggesting that a modifier should rank the Mu of squads higher then? Because Sgt Kirk's post above made me think he was unhappy his squad was being teamed up with newberries. Which would happen even more if having a full squad raised your Mu higher. Maybe you are both on completely different sides of the debate, or I don't understand one of you. Please clarify. No, he was unhappy his squad was being teamed up with newberries against two squads. The point was that squads > all - even if you have a good squad, if the rest of your team are complete terribads and the enemy team has an extra squad, the extra squad is going to make a huge difference. Sgt Kirk wrote: Rattati it should never be "intended" that players squad up with each other only to see two squads on the other team and get wrecked because their friendlies are fresh out the Academy just for the sake of "equalizing Mu" numbers. This is not balanced, this is not fair to your players, this is not logical. Anyone who plays this game for long knows that squads are what win battles not individuals. It doesn't matter if you have an A-team squad with the best DUSTers if the enemy team has two decent squads that communicate with each other. Even if you have an excellent squad, if the enemy have twice as many squads they are going to have the advantage. One effect I've also noticed personally is that even if I squad with just two or three of my friends on a similar skill level to me, a lot of matches end up with us being the only squad on the team against a double full squad on the other team. Yes, I have a shiny KDR. No, I simply will not win a match if I and two others with a similar KDR are put against two solid squads. This is why I feel that mu score is too inflated for individuals rather than squads. FA squad Normal Squad Normal Squad Solo Veterans Solo New Players If this is the hand that is dealt to the Teambuilder, what else can we do but pit the FA squad against the other two? The FA squad will probably get the best solo player, and so on and so forth. What is a better solution in this situation? Certainly not FA squad plus second Normal Squad. For Rattati: Not sure what FA means in this context, maybe 'Friendly Ally'? My question is how Mu Multiplier is applied to the 'less than full' squads; does a 1 man squad get the same multiplier as a full squad? Is it an aggregate multiplier that grows with the number of members? I've noticed some battles with multiple squads of 1 or 2 people, just wondering how this affects the overall balance. Otherwise, I like the change to team building. The losses tend to be from lack of organization rather than pub-stomps, which is to say that we're at least still on the battlefield. Let the minor leagues be separated from the major leagues.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3924	Posted - 2014.10.03 18:12:00 - [78] - Quote Kensai, Rattati was responding to Fatal Absolution players. "FA squad" refers to their squad. ;) And particularly the notion that it's probably a "pretty good" squad, because it's FA people, and they're pretty good. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17987	Posted - 2014.10.03 18:37:00 - [79] - Quote Actually we're all terrible. The forums have ruined me.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17987	Posted - 2014.10.03 18:39:00 - [80] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because... "Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Taki, Spkr (Uprising 1.7) "Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Cat, Aeon, Regnum, Ydubbs, etc (Uprising 1.1 - 1.6) "Yes, the scout is dominating the battlefield right now. But it's totally fine because _____ and _____." - Very long list of posters from the barbershop (Uprising 1.8 onwards) The forums have ruined me.

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5454	Posted - 2014.10.03 18:48:00 - [81] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: - snip - Or you could completely ignore where I said that they needed some tune downs at some points but that's okay, try to make yourself look smart little man. Did I miss that part? Are there solutions here, hidden somewhere in this Assault Rifle rant? Or was that "tune down" something you had proposed along the way, at some point between Uprising 1.1 and 1.6? Forgive me, but all I see here is another attempt to excuse AR-514, efforts to denigrate those who took issue with AR-514, and aimless whine in response to the actions taken which ended AR-514. Shall we have another look at that rant? Sgt Kirk wrote: 1: Assault Rifle nerfs in the old days This one is more towards the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community than CCP. 2: A long time ago the Plasma Assault Rifle was the only General Purpose Rifle in the game and people complained that it was too good at a lot of things, even though the plasma rifle still had short range like now people complained that it was too good at what it did.....even though it was the only one that did what it did at the time so to fix this CCP decides to nerf the plasma Rifle, that's fine various variations did need a nerf but the general purpose rifle was fine. 3: Cycles of Plasma Rifle Nerfs later and we see the Assault rifles in the pre-Delta form. Kinda useless overall and the best one [the standard assault rifle] was underperforming but there were no other general purpose rifles at the time so the community decides that the Assault Rifle is still too prominent on the field even though it was still the only assault rifle at the time and ask desperately to get the weapon nerfed. Thread after thread, the forums were filled with pleas to nerf the only general purpose rifle in the game because too many people used it. 1: Insults 2: Excuses and Moaning 3: Moaning and Excuses Show me substance and solutions, Kirk. Show me what I missed or ignored. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5454	Posted - 2014.10.03 19:02:00 - [82] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because... "Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Taki, Spkr (Uprising 1.7) "Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Cat, Aeon, Regnum, Ydubbs, etc (Uprising 1.1 - 1.6) "Yes, the scout is dominating the battlefield right now. But it's totally fine because _____ and _____." - Very long list of posters from the barbershop (Uprising 1.8 onwards) Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own brick tanked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17989	Posted - 2014.10.03 19:21:00 - [83] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance. I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really? I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them. You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'. Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason. The forums have ruined me.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 368	Posted - 2014.10.03 19:37:00 - [84] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I can't fathom reversing the awesome that is the new matchmaking. It's provided the most balanced matches in years. No longer does seeing a Fatal Absolution squad on the other team mean I might as well leave match, because it's going to be a stomp. If you are a really high Mu squad, and hence get matchmade with some newbies, and hence, have an actual "tough fight" instead of an easy stomp, that is a good thing. You should never go into a match assured of victory. If you want a game mode that is doing less to make for even matches, try FacWar. :D You're foolish if you wish to assume that I want a pubstomp simply because of my tag. And you're on the CPM? get out of here. My problem is that when squading with my teammates it results in our team being the only one to push objectives while everybody else runs and hides. You seriously find this acceptable? Or are your past biases getting in the way here since you wish to bring up my corp? I've only wanted good battles and balance in this game, I haven't ever even spec'd into Flavor of the Month sticking only to Gallente themed weaponry as my persona, even if that meant I had to use ***** weapons so how dare you even have the audacity to accuse me of wanting easy mode matches solely off my tag. He's right! All too often do we find ourselves outnumbered in battles?! It's more like 6 v 16 because we got 5 guys fresh out of the Academy who couldn't help us if they wanted to, and 5 more redline sniping(pre delta). Unless CCP makes the academy cap 2 mil SP nothing there will change, and squads of good players will continue to carry the team?! I love to see our squad of 4-6 and another squad of vertex, dystopian, vengeance, etc. Hell I'll take Los Leones over 10 solo players any day! Atleast I know they working together on a point, and not trying to troll some noob in the redline with a TAR?! "Anybody order chaos?"
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 4118	Posted - 2014.10.03 20:03:00 - [85] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: FA squad Normal Squad Normal Squad Solo Veterans Solo New Players If this is the hand that is dealt to the Teambuilder, what else can we do but pit the FA squad against the other two? The FA squad will probably get the best solo player, and so on and so forth. What is a better solution in this situation? Certainly not FA squad plus second Normal Squad. Certainly not, but that's probably what they are used to, because god damn somehow the old matchmaking system did that Every. Single. Time! If the new Mu system (which I will admit I have not played much since it was implemented) consistently takes 3 squads, puts what is clearly the best one by itself with the superior blueberries against a team with the 2 lesser squads, then that is without question the greatest thing ever to happen to this game. Honestly, I just can't see how you can legitimately argue against that, Kirk. Everything else in this thread seems to have turned into an unfortunate straw man pissing contest (true story, none of you are innocent but also not remotely in the same class as spkr), but on the issue of matchmaking, there is really no other logical way for the algorithm to take the above situation and make a fair fight out of it. If you have a problem with that, then maybe what I always considered baseless accusations about elite corp pubstompers are actually true. Which would be sad. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 5454	Posted - 2014.10.03 20:07:00 - [86] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance. I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really? I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them. You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'. Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason. Absolutely fair, Arkena. I didn't suspect that Kirk was lobbying for another round of AR-514, but I did believe both Cat and Kirk to be quick-to-excuse AR-514's inexcusable imbalance. I was totally unaware that either of them made efforts to end the AR's reign. Apologies, Cat & Kirk. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 384	Posted - 2014.10.03 20:29:00 - [87] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: 6) (...)Consistently getting a 1000 WP per battle, means you completely get the game, fitting and progression. Sorry but no, it's mean that you have camped enemy CRU, and they were just keep spawning. How much you can get WP in battle is not a determinant of how much you 'know the game'. Academy should be focus on learning game as whole. This is the crowning statement of bullsh*t I have seen in this thread so far. This is ceasing to be a discussion so much as an exercise in accusation and inciting argument over nitpicky crap. are you interested in a dialogue with the devs or is this your moment you have chosen as the best opportunity to berate them? You sound as if you were directed by hormones in normal level to your age. Keeping anger out of forums is healthier for you, really - just try it. Gallente Speed Scout. EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.10.03 21:19:00 - [88] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I can't fathom reversing the awesome that is the new matchmaking. It's provided the most balanced matches in years. No longer does seeing a Fatal Absolution squad on the other team mean I might as well leave match, because it's going to be a stomp. If you are a really high Mu squad, and hence get matchmade with some newbies, and hence, have an actual "tough fight" instead of an easy stomp, that is a good thing. You should never go into a match assured of victory. If you want a game mode that is doing less to make for even matches, try FacWar. :D You're foolish if you wish to assume that I want a pubstomp simply because of my tag. And you're on the CPM? get out of here. My problem is that when squading with my teammates it results in our team being the only one to push objectives while everybody else runs and hides. You seriously find this acceptable? Or are your past biases getting in the way here since you wish to bring up my corp? I've only wanted good battles and balance in this game, I haven't ever even spec'd into Flavor of the Month sticking only to Gallente themed weaponry as my persona, even if that meant I had to use ***** weapons so how dare you even have the audacity to accuse me of wanting easy mode matches solely off my tag. Come on Kirk, FA pub stomps. Thats just the truth. They get 6 guys together, and they spam vehicles, and proto gear against any dot that walks on the field. If you wanted better fights couldnt you run G1s Assaults with a Dren rifle, rather than GK0 scouts with a creo dron shotty? Just saying. If you want better fights go squad with some newbs and teach em something. Then encourage independent corps to rival your own. This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
y678iop Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.10.03 21:24:00 - [89] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance. I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really? I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them. You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'. Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason. Absolutely fair, Arkena. I didn't suspect that Kirk was lobbying for another round of AR-514, but I did believe both Cat and Kirk to be quick-to-excuse AR-514's inexcusable imbalance. I was totally unaware that either of them made efforts to end the AR's supreme reign. Apologies, Cat & Kirk. I'd long believed you both to be AR-514 apologists; Arkena has set my thinking straight. This conversation reads like fan created fps soap drama.... This is an alt. It is here to be banned, so that I may be outrageous and speak the TRUTH.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17993	Posted - 2014.10.03 21:38:00 - [90] - Quote y678iop wrote: This conversation reads like fan created fps soap drama.... It probably is basically random forum drama. The forums have ruined me.



Pages: 1 2 [3] 4 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online/DUST514, the EVE/DUST514 logo, EVE/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to OMG Labs to use EVE Online/DUST514 and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, OMG Labs. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.