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Adipem Nothi wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

Adipem Nothi wrote:

Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance.

I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really?

I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them.

You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'.

Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason.

Absolutely fair, Arkena. I didn't suspect that Kirk was lobbying for another round of AR-514, but I did believe both Cat and Kirk to be quick-to-excuse AR-514's inexcusable imbalance. I was totally unaware that either of them made efforts to end the AR's supreme reign.

Apologies, Cat & Kirk. I'd long believed you both to be AR-514 apologists; Arkena has set my thinking straight.


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Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12491	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because there was no other general purpose weapon. Shotguns are only as popular as they are because you have a cloak, negating a huge part of the range disadvantage. Laser Rifle was **** after it was nerfed too hard due to being god in chromosome. Sniper Rifles are, well, long range weapons. HMG's had their "too accurate" thing, and have about 30m less range. Scrambler Rifles never did take off until Delta, but even before that those few who used them knew how powerful they are. There's a reason it's one of TWO weapons I got to proficiency IV with. Mass Drivers are supposed to be suppression tools, punishing those who push too hard And I can go on, but basically, it's the same reason that rifles and carbines are the most common weapons that IRL infantry ground units carry. It's general purpose. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12491	Posted - 2014.10.03 16:47:00 - [2] - Quote When more general purpose rifles were introduced, the HMG got fixed, the cloak got introduced (helping the shotty), the laser rifle got increased damage, you suddenly saw the AR being replaced on the kill feed. It was the least general purpose out of the general purpose rifles, since they all worked at all ranges, but the AR had the least range. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12499	Posted - 2014.10.04 00:29:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because... "Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Taki, Spkr (Uprising 1.7) "Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Cat, Aeon, Regnum, Ydubbs, etc (Uprising 1.1 - 1.6) Nice strawman you got there. People tend to gravitate to general purpose weapons, situational weapons are just that, situational. They're great where they work, but those moments when they don't tick people off. This was true with the AR, and it's still true (Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, Plasma Rifle, HMG) I don't actually remember any shooter in recent memory where rifles or their analogue in said game aren't the most common weapons by far. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 12499	Posted - 2014.10.04 00:34:00 - [4] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance. I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really? I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them. You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'. Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason. Absolutely fair, Arkena. I didn't suspect that Kirk was lobbying for another round of AR-514, but I did believe both Cat and Kirk to be quick-to-excuse AR-514's inexcusable imbalance. I was totally unaware that either of them made efforts to end the AR's supreme reign. Apologies, Cat & Kirk. I'd long believed you both to be AR-514 apologists; Arkena has set my thinking straight. I like where the AR is right now, just so you'll understand my line of thinking. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC