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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:48:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: They care and that's why they rant and are so passionate .
Indeed, we are passionate. But when we rant, we do so because (1) we lack sense or (2) we lack a solution. Take Kirk on the early Uprising Assault Rifle:
Did the AR not dominate every killfeed of every battle, every day for 6+ months? Did the AR not outperform lasers (and everything else) at range? Did the AR not outperform HMGs (and everything else) up close?
Does Kirk lack sense? Kirk maintains that everything was fine. That only real problem was with the Community, who failed to understand why one weapon should dominate gameplay on such extraordinary and prolonged scale. It was necessary and appropriate for the Gallente Fine Rifle to be the very best at all things. It was unnecessary and inappropriate for CCP to touch the Finest of Fine Rifles. Kirk's bias has overruled his sense. So Kirk rants.
Or does Kirk lack a solution? Kirk maintains that while everything was fine with the Gallente Fine Rifle, there was a significant problem with comparative performance of every other weapon in the game. Kirk opposes any adjustment to the Finest of Fine Rifles, but at the same time recognizes that rebalancing all else against the AR would entail an extremely complex, error-prone and time-consuming effort. Something has to be done, but he can't think of what to do. Kirk lacks a solution. So Kirk rants.
So in the case of AR-514, which bin do we put Kirk in? I honestly can't tell ...
Sgt Kirk wrote: Assault Rifle nerfs in the old days This one is more towards the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community than CCP. A long time ago the Plasma Assault Rifle was the only General Purpose Rifle in the game and people complained that it was too good at a lot of things, even though the plasma rifle still had short range like now people complained that it was too good at what it did.....even though it was the only one that did what it did at the time so to fix this CCP decides to nerf the plasma Rifle, that's fine various variations did need a nerf but the general purpose rifle was fine. Cycles of Plasma Rifle Nerfs later and we see the Assault rifles in the pre-Delta form. Kinda useless overall and the best one [the standard assault rifle] was underperforming but there were no other general purpose rifles at the time so the community decides that the Assault Rifle is still too prominent on the field even though it was still the only assault rifle at the time and ask desperately to get the weapon nerfed. Thread after thread, the forums were filled with pleas to nerf the only general purpose rifle in the game because too many people used it.
Shoot scout with yes.
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Posted - 2014.10.03 17:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because...
"Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Taki, Spkr
"Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____." - Cat, Kirk, Aeon, Ydubbs
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:48:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: - snip -
Or you could completely ignore where I said that they needed some tune downs at some points but that's okay, try to make yourself look smart little man. Did I miss that part? Are there solutions here, hidden somewhere in this Assault Rifle rant? Or was that "tune down" something you had proposed along the way, at some point between Uprising 1.1 and 1.6? Forgive me, but all I see here is another attempt to excuse AR-514, efforts to denigrate those who took issue with AR-514, and aimless whine in response to the actions taken which ended AR-514.
Shall we have another look at that rant?
Sgt Kirk wrote: 1: Assault Rifle nerfs in the old days This one is more towards the simpleton thinking of the DUST 514 community than CCP.
2: A long time ago the Plasma Assault Rifle was the only General Purpose Rifle in the game and people complained that it was too good at a lot of things, even though the plasma rifle still had short range like now people complained that it was too good at what it did.....even though it was the only one that did what it did at the time so to fix this CCP decides to nerf the plasma Rifle, that's fine various variations did need a nerf but the general purpose rifle was fine.
3: Cycles of Plasma Rifle Nerfs later and we see the Assault rifles in the pre-Delta form. Kinda useless overall and the best one [the standard assault rifle] was underperforming but there were no other general purpose rifles at the time so the community decides that the Assault Rifle is still too prominent on the field even though it was still the only assault rifle at the time and ask desperately to get the weapon nerfed. Thread after thread, the forums were filled with pleas to nerf the only general purpose rifle in the game because too many people used it.
1: Insults 2: Excuses and Moaning 3: Moaning and Excuses
Show me substance and solutions, Kirk. Show me what I missed or ignored.
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Posted - 2014.10.03 19:02:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I've said it back then and I'll say it now. The reason the AR was dominating the kill feed was because... "Yes, the HAV is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____."- Taki, Spkr (Uprising 1.7) "Yes, the AR is dominating the battlefield right now. But its totally fine because _____ and _____."- Cat, Aeon, Regnum, Ydubbs, etc (Uprising 1.1 - 1.6) "Yes, the scout is dominating the battlefield right now. But it's totally fine because _____ and _____."- Very long list of posters from the barbershop (Uprising 1.8 onwards)
Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own brick tanked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance.
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Posted - 2014.10.03 20:07:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote: Right alongside specific balance concerns and discussions, which are well documented and continue to this day (present concerns including fire-from-cloak and your very own, best-in-class bricked GalScout). By comparison, I don't recall many instances of give-and-take on the AR side of AR-514 discussions. I distinctly recall lots of "get good", "everything is fine", and a variety of excuses for the rampant and sustained imbalance. Seemed at the time more like players circling wagons than players interested in balance.
I knew you'd immediately feel that was an unjust accusation. And yes, it was. But your lumping Cat Merc and Kirk in with the likes of Spkr is exactly the same - completely unjust. You accuse people of insults and then do that? Really? I know that they both have supported necessary changes because I've worked on threads with them. I used to write a frankly absurd number of balance threads and I have a hell of a lot of correspondence with both of them on many of them. You came into this thread, looked at a handful of complaints, and promptly misinterpreted them hugely. No, Kirk is not 'seeking a return to AR514'. Kirk was frustrated with some of the plasma rifle nerfs, and rightly so. Can you seriously claim that the 1.8 nerf to the breach rifle was necessary? Rattati has since given it serious attention, but it was in a poor way for a long time and Kirk competed against CRs and RRs in their prime with plasma weaponry. I'm sure he's certainly sentimentally attached to them just as you are to scouts - but comments on historical balance screwups hardly warrant accusing the guy of wanting it buffed beyond all reason.
Absolutely fair, Arkena. I didn't suspect that Kirk was lobbying for another round of AR-514, but I did believe both Cat and Kirk to be quick-to-excuse AR-514's inexcusable imbalance. I was totally unaware that either of them made efforts to end the AR's reign.
Apologies, Cat & Kirk.
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