First things first get rid of the scouts small hit box, make it the same as a medium. That will get rid of some of the quick strafing they do as you'll miss less.

Then for ewar, fix enchancers and dampners to give equal bonuses. So two complex enhancers is equal to two complex dampeners.

You can't give invisibility, HP, speed, wallhacks, super jump height and paper thin hitbox to one suit. It's too much.

Yet I'm not willing to abandon the idea that people should be able to have a combat light frame suit. Some players are good at this and they deserve to play that playstyle. They just need to have the wallhacks and invisibility ripped from them.

Light frame suit needs a secondary class like both the medium and heavy frame do.

Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs.

I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such.

Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo.

^ this no reason for them to have 2 equipment slots.

Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs.

I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such.

Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo.

The opinion of a pub player doesn't matter at all. No no.

Just as much as a member from FWA, little man.

*Strong scout hate/qq detected* :).

Scouts are slayers. Logis are slayer. Everyone can be a slayer.
Now into the point. If scout run towards the prey and kills him, its enemy fault that hes been killed.
Its not about tanking, not about guns. Scouts have suprise attack. That give us everything we need.


Eg. No matter if scout have 200-600ehp. If hes not scanned/seen (by eyes or just by knowing hes around) he will take you down with SG/NK.


About militia sg. It should take down your proto. You think that you should be superrior to stuff under adv/proto? Nope.

Translation: "People are using emergent gameplay to make shock-troops out of scout suit users, and I am angry about it because I wasn't creative enough to think of it, first, so please nerf it into oblivion, even though I will squall like a little brat about everything and claim to hate this game and everyone who plays it!"

Anyone agree with my interpretation of his post?

I wouldn't go that far... it's not a exploit to simply abuse what is obvious. Usually there is something more sinister and unintentional behind an exploit.

Scouts are simply on steroids because CCP gave them a bottle of steroids. It's an open and shut case of having too much power at their finger tips.

And before anyone goes into heavies again, yes, I do support the notion of the burst being reverted back to its previous stats.

A exploit is defined as taking what has been given and using it to your advantage. Though we humans associate the term exploit as something negative in tone, that does not mean it has no place in the statment that scouts being used as assaults are exploits.

A exploit is defined as taking what has been given and using it to your advantage. Though we humans associate the term exploit as something negative in tone, that does not mean it has no place in the statment that scouts being used as assaults are exploits.

Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs.

I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such.

Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo.

According to CCP Games, an exploit is something that enables you to do something beyond what a given mechanic is suppose to enable you to do. In other words, if it's not intended by CCP, then it's very likely to be an exploit. Scouts are allowed to be used as assaults much like how a Logi is allowed to be an assault or how an assault is allowed to be a logi or a scout. It's just that you are not suppose to be as "effective" an assault in a scout suit as that of a regular assault if you fitted your scout as such. I think that's the main problem you're referring to. Scouts are allowed to act like assaults if we want to. We're just not suppose be better than a regular assault in the same class.

Again, a good recommendation is to make it so that we need to fit respective modules on the scout suits if we want to take advantage of the scout bonuses. The same could likely be applied to other classes as well. If you're running an EWAR scout, you shouldn't be using the EWAR bonus if you have no EWAR modules fitted. In the case of a Minmatar Scout which has no EWAR bonus, this would mean you will have to make a choice between fitting kinetic catalyers/profile dampeners and that of the code breakers. You would not be able to benefit from both.

But to me, the overall problem with scouts is not scouts with CRs but scouts with shotguns + cloaks. The cloaking mechanic is a bit broken still. There needs to be sufficient delay so that you will completely decloak before being able to shoot. I support the idea of requiring the cloak to finish decloaking before allowing any weapon to fire. In fact, the wrist projector on your left arm should stay up while decloaking. Once you are completely decloaked, you can pull out your weapon and immediately shoot. This will make it impossible for shotgunners to welp you before their cloak even has a chance to decloak and encourage a more tactical gameplay.

Real Men run 350 eHP Min Scouts

QQ maybe you should get some gun game in your life? You're just another bad player. According to your stats. Come wreck my face bro!

The thing is.... Scouts don't have a role.
The players using other suits of course may have to rely on another players to achieve an optimal survivability, isk, an sp gain.
Scout suits do not have any special functions to be exploited by squads and squads do not have anything they can exploit from scout suits. Scout suits do, in some way have the ability to actually scout for enemies or anything else (through the double equipment slot, which makes them on par with non minmatar logistics suits when an advanced suit is used) yet cloak has very high requirements. Because of this what the average scout suit user may have wanted to use (such as scanners) would have been dropped for the cloak. Scout suits do not have any other bonus but their pg/cpu reduction on cloak, which is still high. The main issue is how they can get their hands on light weapons as some of these are too exploitative when used to surprise attack other players. A scout really, would have minimal combat capability as they are suppost to collect information on enemy position's strength and weaknesses. Basically these "scouts" are just light assault suits with cloak... Some people have suggested to give them only sidearms, although players can still become problematic with high tier sidearms. This light assault cloaker suit really needs a facelift on its functions.

So...you're QQ'ing about him making a point? Please, go back under your bridge.

Just as much as a member from FWA, little man.

Vanilla plate speed penalty multiplier based on frame type (something like .75x on heavy frames, 1x on mediums, 2x or even 3x on lights) + shield extender stacking penalty that increases scan profile per module stacked and per tier.