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gustavo acosta wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

I wouldn't go that far... it's not a exploit to simply abuse what is obvious. Usually there is something more sinister and unintentional behind an exploit.

Scouts are simply on steroids because CCP gave them a bottle of steroids. It's an open and shut case of having too much power at their finger tips.

And before anyone goes into heavies again, yes, I do support the notion of the burst being reverted back to its previous stats.

A exploit is defined as taking what has been given and using it to your advantage. Though we humans associate the term exploit as something negative in tone, that does not mean it has no place in the statment that scouts being used as assaults are exploits.

Listen man, I hate assault scouts as much as the next guy, but you shouldn't be so quick to brush them off as just "exploits." Though you are right that assault scouts are the product of people knowing that a scout can do the same things an assault can with no drawback, however they are more a product of the game's amazing concept.

That concept being that you can run your suit and you character as you wish, no matter how strange or viable/not viable. This game was built on that concept, however that does not necessarily mean that a suit outside of their intended role will be viable or not. The viability of a suit to perform roles outside, and even inside, what is intended should be entirely based on the individual players' skill.

That is not the case with assault scouts. Scouts simply have to act/fit as assaults for viability outside their role, this is where the imbalance is found. No drawbacks=No problem assaulting. Scouts need to become on the same level as heavies, in terms of acting as an assault suit(i.e. if a heavy runs around with light weapons they are not much of a threat when it comes to relatively skilled players, unless said heavy is very skilled in acting as an assault).


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Michael Arck 5646	Posted - 2014.09.21 01:41:00 - [1] - Quote Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5646	Posted - 2014.09.21 01:51:00 - [2] - Quote I honestly didnt realize the problem until this event. Brick tanked scouts with agility, speed, high defense recovery and CRs-thats crazy. I was working on one scout and he kept running away, then regen, and then finish me off with his CR. The 1 on 1 battles are far more intense than facing a sentinel. Thats not right at all. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5647	Posted - 2014.09.21 02:01:00 - [3] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: There's always been slayer scouts. BUT, using in place of assault is not good. Scouts should be able to lock ** down. A skilled scout is the best scout, a non-skilled/newbro scout is canon fodder. If hes skilled, he should be able to consistently rip your face of any day. Scrub scouts are just annoying. Not in this capacity. More so sneaky, but to outright be involved in the frontline and rush points? Thats crazy. Again, I hadnt noticed this until today. Spartan mentioned it and I started watching the games I played more closely. They were filled withslayer scouts rushing through the frontlines with their CRs Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5648	Posted - 2014.09.21 02:13:00 - [4] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Haven't seen a QQ thread in a while, but I agree that it is a problem. What would you propose to fix said problem? I'd remove the extra equipment and some CPU/PG. Its not a QQ. When someone calls a thread QQ it is implied by the accuser and the ones whom feel the same that the OP simply refuses to find a counter which can be utilized. It implies butthurt. This thread is none of the above. Slayer scouts make the matches highly imbalanced. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. Its amazing that a member can ask for a slayer fit and forum members suggest scouts. The term scout has no relation to slayer. As far as remedy, Im not sure. I would like it to be remedied without gimping the role. Whatever it is, it should be done in a manner so that scouts stay in their role. Did we not do the same thing to the slayer logi? The same should be afforded to slayer scouts in the effort of balance. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5654	Posted - 2014.09.21 03:34:00 - [5] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. Your talking about caldari scouts right. That regen that small hitbox and that strafe. Like why would you even choose the caldari assault. I love my stormtrooper. I gets busy in that suit when I want to. The scouts Ive been seeing are mostly gallente though. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5661	Posted - 2014.09.21 13:05:00 - [6] - Quote Cavani1EE7 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. The opinion of a pub player doesn't matter at all. No no. Just as much as a member from FWA, little man. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5661	Posted - 2014.09.21 13:40:00 - [7] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Strong scout hate/qq detected :). Scouts are slayers. Logis are slayer. Everyone can be a slayer. Now into the point. If scout run towards the prey and kills him, its enemy fault that hes been killed. Its not about tanking, not about guns. Scouts have suprise attack. That give us everything we need. Eg. No matter if scout have 200-600ehp. If hes not scanned/seen (by eyes or just by knowing hes around) he will take you down with SG/NK. About militia sg. It should take down your proto. You think that you should be superrior to stuff under adv/proto? Nope. When I answer people threads, my answer varies. If I have noticed several posts of the OP showing signs of just complaining to complain, I say so. But I read their OP to make sure I understand their intent and what they are bringing to the table. You lack all sensibility to afford me with such because you just summed it up as QQ after skimming through my posts. If you properly digested my opinion piece, then clearly you would have understood this is not a QQ. That is suggested in the line "I have killed them and they have killed me". I am telling you Im more than capable to be able to deal with the problem. If it doesnt change, I'll just learn how to rid the problem myself. The entire point of the OP is simple, Dr. Phil. That the scout role should not be frontal assault players. Yes, every player can kill or slay. Why even waste energy stating such? Im not a moron here. Yet the point was missed in your assuming of the OP. Yes everyone can slay but it is the role that defines them. Their class which leads them to specific objectives that they are trained for. Frontal assaults scouts should not be because they are playing outside of their role. With advantages to their setup designed for infiltration and recon, using that as a assault against players who do not receive the same advantages but are indeed playing an assault defined class seems right to you? Because everyone can fire a weapon? Because you think its QQ? Because its on the less than agile assault player against an agile, speedy, small hitbox scout who has brick tanked; that its completely on the assault player to succeed in that battle? Please think before answering in any of my discussion threads now and in the future. Posts like yours are a waste of time. I rather hear from a brain that actually considered my words without resorting to common forum rebuttal that has no place here. If they want to be assault go for assault. Scouts playing as assaults are wrong. We have been about balance for a while but now scouts are brought up again and now we should just deal with it. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5661	Posted - 2014.09.21 13:47:00 - [8] - Quote Yes nothing about it is emergent. It can be defined as a exploit though. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5661	Posted - 2014.09.21 14:06:00 - [9] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I wouldn't go that far... it's not a exploit to simply abuse what is obvious. Usually there is something more sinister and unintentional behind an exploit. Scouts are simply on steroids because CCP gave them a bottle of steroids. It's an open and shut case of having too much power at their finger tips. And before anyone goes into heavies again, yes, I do support the notion of the burst being reverted back to its previous stats. A exploit is defined as taking what has been given and using it to your advantage. Though we humans associate the term exploit as something negative in tone, that does not mean it has no place in the statment that scouts being used as assaults are exploits. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5674	Posted - 2014.09.22 00:30:00 - [10] - Quote Reads thread responses Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain

Michael Arck 5674	Posted - 2014.09.22 00:42:00 - [11] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. In the meantime, Burst HMGs shred everything to pieces. Who are u actually? You are the only person from the forums I've never seen in any match. Have u ever heard of diversity? Let ppl make their suit setups as they wish, and stop the QQ. But I agree, get either rid of the cloak or the second eq slot, but at the same time, nerf the ***** burst hmgs dominating everything... The name ia shown, I am Michael Arck. If you are trying to imply that Im just a forum warrior who talks about the game without knowledge, then you are wrong on both accounts. What significant can be found in the belief that since you havent seen me in match, my opinion holds no weight? But Ive seen you though and we've fought in a match. I did get you a couple of times as you have me. I dont see the point of your post. Are you adding to the conversation? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah** *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5674	Posted - 2014.09.22 00:48:00 - [12] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: I wouldn't go that far... it's not a exploit to simply abuse what is obvious. Usually there is something more sinister and unintentional behind an exploit. Scouts are simply on steroids because CCP gave them a bottle of steroids. It's an open and shut case of having too much power at their finger tips. And before anyone goes into heavies again, yes, I do support the notion of the burst being reverted back to its previous stats. A exploit is defined as taking what has been given and using it to your advantage. Though we humans associate the term exploit as something negative in tone, that does not mean it has no place in the statment that scouts being used as assaults are exploits. Listen man, I hate assault scouts as much as the next guy, but you shouldn't be so quick to brush them off as just "exploits." Though you are right that assault scouts are the product of people knowing that a scout can do the same things an assault can with no drawback, however they are more a product of the game's amazing concept. That concept being that you can run your suit and you character as you wish, no matter how strange or viable/not viable. This game was built on that concept, however that does not necessarily mean that a suit outside of their intended role will be viable or not. The viability of a suit to perform roles outside, and even inside, what is intended should be entirely based on the individual players' skill. That is not the case with assault scouts. Scouts simply have to act/fit as assaults for viability outside their role, this is where the imbalance is found. No drawbacks=No problem assaulting. Scouts need to become on the same level as heavies, in terms of acting as an assault suit(i.e. if a heavy runs around with light weapons they are not much of a threat when it comes to relatively skilled players, unless said heavy is very skilled in acting as an assault). As I said before, the negative tone with the term exploit clouds the perspective. The definition of exploit fits here whether you like the term or not. Doesnt mean Im butthurt and looking to nerf scouts into oblivion. Just as much as anything in this game has been changed to maintain a defined role or ability of item, dropsuit, and weapons, the same should be done here in slayer scouts. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5675	Posted - 2014.09.22 00:53:00 - [13] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. QQ maybe you should get some gun game in your life? You're just another bad player. According to your stats. Come wreck my face bro! Ok Im not a elite player. I dont drown away hours on Dust. Im not great with two thumbsticks. Yet I am capable of killing you and working well with my squadmates. People like you over compensate for reasons that I dont. Even if I was an elite, I definitely wouldnt have your small man arrogant attitude. Dust 514 doesnt pay the rent or isnt something I can put on a resume. If Im not elite, I dont care. Wouldnt stop me from putting a bullet in your brain in match little boy. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5675	Posted - 2014.09.22 00:57:00 - [14] - Quote I want to thank everyone who offered their opinions in a constructive manner, offering various perspectives in this discussion. I didnt agree with all points and some I did, but I always respect mature objective postings. Thank you for your time. I enjoyed reading your posts. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Michael Arck 5695	Posted - 2014.09.22 15:07:00 - [15] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs. I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such. Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo. QQ maybe you should get some gun game in your life? You're just another bad player. According to your stats. Come wreck my face bro! Ok Im not a elite player. I dont drown away hours on Dust. Im not great with two thumbsticks. Yet I am capable of killing you and working well with my squadmates. People like you over compensate for reasons that I dont. Even if I was an elite, I definitely wouldnt have your small man arrogant attitude. Dust 514 doesnt pay the rent or isnt something I can put on a resume. If Im not elite, I dont care. Wouldnt stop me from putting a bullet in your brain in match little boy. You're the guy bragging about how you'd decimate me and wreck my face? So bring it or stfu. Good lord you're an idiot. Can you read? Did you fail at simple reading comprehension? Im telling you Im not elite but on any given sunday you can lose against me. Thats not bragging thats telling you like it is little man. I hate lames thinking because they good at video game they can talk down on people. Take that weak crap up the block man. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain