The shotgun is very difficult to balance. I don't really know what's the main problem with shotguns (outside of the shotgun + cloak issue) since I don't use them. For this, I'll leave it to the shotgun experts to figure it out.

EDIT: I may hate shotguns as well but I don't hate them enough to want them removed.

Agreed +1. Scouts can currently be logis, assaults and be a scout.

But they should have the ability to be used as assaults or logis. Just don't let them be better than an assault or logi in the same class.

yeah and i forgot to say in my original one reg plates still need a super penalty to scouts.

Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs.

I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such.

Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo.

There are many more issues with scout the scout can play any role defender,pilot,sniper,support, medic, and assault. With the added survival of naturally low dp and speed they can out play most of these roles better then the suit made for it.

Only class able to fit a cloak field efficiently:
Scout ranks of the 3 suit types: First in speed, first in dropsuit profile, first in scan precision,First in scan radius, first in every aspect of stamina, First in shield recharge/delay second in slots,first in jump, and last in shield and hp.

Here's the problem with the shotgun. If it works well enough to consistently kill anyone you get the drop on, then its overpowered in conjunction with the scout suit. If it doesn't work well enough to kill someone consistently when you get the drop on them, even with the scout suits ridiculous amount of intel and stealth provided, then it seems worthless.

There is no middle ground. It's either consistent or it isn't, and if it isn't, its worthless because most of the "work" goes into stalking your opponent before the struggle begins. In the past, shotgun hit detection has been wonky and that made most people refuse to use it. Currently its consistent, which makes it "too good".

So, yea. Either change the weapons role, or change the scouts role. Together as they are, it's unhealthy.

Real Men run 350 eHP Min Scouts

unfortunately people refuted my idea of buffing assault EWAR.

so the only thing you could possibly fix it with would be the cloak.

unfortunately people refuted my idea of buffing assault EWAR.

so the only thing you could possibly fix it with would be the cloak.

The issue with running a scout as an assault suit is that there's no drawbacks to it. If I run my gal scout with pure armor tank I still get almost 40% dampened off of my profile, and a built in advanced precision enhancer.

If a logi tries to run as an assault, they're limited to only one weapon the assault suit is better in that respect.

If a heavy tries to run as an assault, they're limited in movement speed and do not have sufficient damage output to facilitate the amount of hp and low movement speed they have.

If a scout tries to run an assault they're are hindered by their lower hp, however when you consider the amount of speed, regen, and built-in E-war said hindrance can be overlooked, among other things a scout can tank said hindrance away, and beyond that they get the benefit of having an extra equipment slot.

Though scouts SHOULD be ABLE to perform the role of an assault suit, however hindrances should be put in place that stop the scout suit's ability to passively outperform the assault suit in terms of frontal assault. That doesn't mean a scout should NEVER beat an assault at frontal assault, but that the individual player should be relatively skilled at combat to do so...

Ok Im not a elite player. I dont drown away hours on Dust. Im not great with two thumbsticks.

Yet I am capable of killing you and working well with my squadmates.

People like you over compensate for reasons that I dont. Even if I was an elite, I definitely wouldnt have your small man arrogant attitude.

Dust 514 doesnt pay the rent or isnt something I can put on a resume. If Im not elite, I dont care. Wouldnt stop me from putting a bullet in your brain in match little boy.

You're the guy bragging about how you'd decimate me and wreck my face? So bring it or stfu.

Efficacy to modules should be the scout bonuses, not straight bonuses to suits.

That's the angle necessary to balance scouts. I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread, but I've only made it this far and I've been scanning posts quickly thus far.

Again, a good recommendation is to make it so that we need to fit respective modules on the scout suits if we want to take advantage of the scout bonuses. The same could likely be applied to other classes as well. If you're running an EWAR scout, you shouldn't be using the EWAR bonus if you have no EWAR modules fitted. In the case of a Minmatar Scout which has no EWAR bonus, this would mean you will have to make a choice between fitting kinetic catalyers/profile dampeners and that of the code breakers. You would not be able to benefit from both.

Scouts would be useless if they removed cloaks. But then I guess a quarter of the dust population would cry to CCP. Speaking of combat rifles if those didn't exist then scouts would only be able to tank with shotguns.

I honestly didnt realize the problem until this event. Brick tanked scouts with agility, speed, high defense recovery and CRs-thats crazy. I was working on one scout and he kept running away, then regen, and then finish me off with his CR. The 1 on 1 battles are far more intense than facing a sentinel. Thats not right at all.

Should be dismantled. There is no reason why scouts are being frontal assault players with their quick TTK CRs.

I have killed them and they have killed me. But seeing scouts in this event play outside of their role infringes on a class designed to do such.

Scouts should not be slayers. If we cant squeeze it in on delta, changes need to be made come echo.

Good lord you're an idiot. Can you read? Did you fail at simple reading comprehension? Im telling you Im not elite but on any given sunday you can lose against me. Thats not bragging thats telling you like it is little man.

I hate lames thinking because they good at video game they can talk down on people. Take that weak crap up the block man.

]Scouts would be useless if they removed cloaks[/b]. But then I guess a quarter of the dust population would cry to CCP. Speaking of combat rifles if those didn't exist then scouts would only be able to tank with shotguns.