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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4877
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Posted - 2014.09.20 14:23:00 -
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My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot.
No matter what I say you are too much of an entitled moron to understand how things have to be. All I can do now is offer you the charity of recognizing how stupid you are. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.20 14:32:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot.
Lol, if you say so.
I think I'm done here anyway. Let me know when you're ready to have a mature discussion about this, without the petty name-calling, and maybe I'll be back.
Until then, I've got better things to do then get dragged into your childish schoolyard b.s. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2910
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Posted - 2014.09.20 14:38:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot.
No matter what I say you are too much of an entitled moron to understand how things have to be. All I can do now is offer you the charity of recognizing how stupid you are.
Nice personal attacks.
Unfortunately your position is only supported by "I want it this way" in defiance of both precedent and evidence to the contrary.
I'm afraid your poison analogy was stretching credulity quite a bit. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:46:00 -
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Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.09.20 15:57:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else.
I think I'll leave that for CCP to decide, thank you very much. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2366
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:03:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Your question is a black and white fallacy: either one AV player can or cannot take on a vehicle.
The truth is a single AV player should be enough to threaten and/or disrupt vehicles, but actually killing them should be difficult, but not impossible, depending on the situation, each player's skill, and a multitude of other variables.
If a single AV player could easily kill a vehicle, then vehicles would be worthless once 2-3 players used AV.
It's a balancing game, and vehicles should have a slight edge, but that's not to mean that they should be an "I win" button. Any AVer should be a thorn in the side of a pilot unless dealt with immediately, either by fleeing or engaging. This is like saying that an assault shouldn't be able to solo a heavy, but be a thorn in his side, unless 2-3 people are attacking the heavy.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:04:00 -
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Skippy Longstocking wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot. Lol, if you say so. I think I'm done here anyway. Let me know when you're ready to have a mature discussion about this, without the petty name-calling, and maybe I'll be back..
If we're lucky, you never will. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2914
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:08:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else.
Vehicles are not entitled to escape destruction.
No one is entitled to squat.
What makes you think you are a special snowflake that gets to have his way? Besides deliberately trolling the thread? |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:09:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Your question is a black and white fallacy: either one AV player can or cannot take on a vehicle.
The truth is a single AV player should be enough to threaten and/or disrupt vehicles, but actually killing them should be difficult, but not impossible, depending on the situation, each player's skill, and a multitude of other variables.
If a single AV player could easily kill a vehicle, then vehicles would be worthless once 2-3 players used AV.
It's a balancing game, and vehicles should have a slight edge, but that's not to mean that they should be an "I win" button. Any AVer should be a thorn in the side of a pilot unless dealt with immediately, either by fleeing or engaging. This is like saying that an assault shouldn't be able to solo a heavy, but be a thorn in his side, unless 2-3 people are attacking the heavy.
That's exactly what it means. Now you understand the concept of a bigger opponent being innately superior to a smaller opponent. Good job. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:09:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Skippy Longstocking wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot. Lol, if you say so. I think I'm done here anyway. Let me know when you're ready to have a mature discussion about this, without the petty name-calling, and maybe I'll be back.. If we're lucky, you never will. Skippy Longstocking wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else. I think I'll leave that for CCP to decide, thank you very much. And that's why you will never be a relevant factor.
Lol @ thinking anyone who plays this game is in any way "relevant"! |
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:11:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else. Vehicles are not entitled to escape destruction. No one is entitled to squat. What makes you think you are a special snowflake that gets to have his way? Besides deliberately trolling the thread?
Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum and actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:16:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Your question is a black and white fallacy: either one AV player can or cannot take on a vehicle.
The truth is a single AV player should be enough to threaten and/or disrupt vehicles, but actually killing them should be difficult, but not impossible, depending on the situation, each player's skill, and a multitude of other variables.
If a single AV player could easily kill a vehicle, then vehicles would be worthless once 2-3 players used AV.
It's a balancing game, and vehicles should have a slight edge, but that's not to mean that they should be an "I win" button. Any AVer should be a thorn in the side of a pilot unless dealt with immediately, either by fleeing or engaging. This is like saying that an assault shouldn't be able to solo a heavy, but be a thorn in his side, unless 2-3 people are attacking the heavy. That's exactly what it means. Now you understand the concept of a bigger opponent being innately superior to a smaller opponent. Good job.
So players who use vehicles should be "superior" to everyone else? Who's acting "entitled" now?
Do you honestly believe that, in a BALANCED game, any single player should be superior than another, just because of the equipment he uses?
Usually, superiority is determined by the player's skill, not by the crutches he uses.
I'm beginning to understand why you're so scared of your advantage being taken away! Lol! |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:17:00 -
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Lolz at this kid. |
Atiim
12321
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:That is their purpose
Source?
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Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:That is their purpose
Source?
Source: Himiko, The "Professional" Gamer, because he said so! |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2918
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:24:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum
This statement has been proven wrong numerous times. After all, you play DUST.
Quote:actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain.
The mere thought that playing video games makes one relevant somehow has to be the most hilariously stupid thing anyone has ever said on these forums.
Congratulations.
You win the "No one cares what you think still" award.
In my experience geniuses don't have to claim it. It is evident. You fail utterly. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion Final Resolution.
1029
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:29:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Currently, it is possible for a single player to solo a single vehicle given proper skills and situations. I should know, I do it sometimes.
Unfortunately, the only current way to do that requires a forge gun. Swarms (pre buff) and PLC are just not capable of doing that. The thing is, I'm not sure they should. Forge is a heavy weapon, the rest are light. Heavy weapons should be a major threat to all vehicles. Light's should need at least two people, imo.
As an ADS pilot, I have lost ships to Swarms and Forges, never to a PLC. When I lose a ship to swarms, it's my own fault though for either not paying attention or being cocky. When I lose a ship to forges, it's usually either a skilled forger or he bounced me into a building.
I don't think that milita level AV should be able to kill anything that is fit better than militia by its self, other wise there's no reason to skill into the higher tiers of weaponry, but if someone invests the time and SP into getting proto forges/swarms/plc then they should be able to lay down the pain to vehicles.
It's doable with PLC aswell, but it's not as easy as just showing up with your AV and assume the kill, you have to work for it. It's even harder when the pilot knows when to run and it gets even more harder if the pilot is supported by infantry. I see a lot of pilots that don't even consider the latter two points...so should a vehicle be destroyed by a solo AV'er that is just plain stupid and thinks he should be able to solo everything? YES |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:49:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum
This statement has been proven wrong numerous times. After all, you play DUST. Quote:actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain. The mere thought that playing video games makes one relevant somehow has to be the most hilariously stupid thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Congratulations. You win the "No one cares what you think still" award. In my experience geniuses don't have to claim it. It is evident. You fail utterly.
It makes one relevant as far as conversation about video game mechanics go. Simply put, I understand them -- you do not.
That can change, though. I am still taking students for this Winter. $45 an hour and I guarantee after each session you will be far less garbage than you were prior. |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:58:00 -
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I am not waiting till winter for a blowjob... and 45 bucks seems a little steep. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San General Tso's Alliance
3612
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:00:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Are Anti-Vehicle weapons (read: SLs, FGs, PLCs, & R/PEs) meant to "solo" vehicles?
I'd really love to have CCP settle this issue already. Obviously jihad's are supposed too. I mean people even jihad dropships.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2920
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum
This statement has been proven wrong numerous times. After all, you play DUST. Quote:actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain. The mere thought that playing video games makes one relevant somehow has to be the most hilariously stupid thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Congratulations. You win the "No one cares what you think still" award. In my experience geniuses don't have to claim it. It is evident. You fail utterly. It makes one relevant as far as conversation about video game mechanics go. Simply put, I understand them -- you do not. That can change, though. I am still taking students for this Winter. $45 an hour and I guarantee after each session you will be far less garbage than you were prior.
You'd need to pay me a lot more than 45 bux before I'd be willing to attend a class on how to have fun playing video games.
If you're involved my cost triples. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:14:00 -
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Ah, such arrogance.
I'm sorry to see you have chosen to remain worthless. No matter though. |
Skippy Longstocking
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:15:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Ah, such arrogance.
I'm sorry to see you have chosen to remain worthless. No matter though.
Pot, meet Kettle. |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:19:00 -
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I actually get results. |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:21:00 -
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But you will have to wait till winter for them :D
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:29:00 -
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Sooner if you'd rather play USFIV. |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:49:00 -
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A lot sure goes over your head for such a "smart" guy lolz |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4878
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Posted - 2014.09.20 18:03:00 -
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No, I got the joke. It was just an incredibly stupid joke with no real lead-in, therefore I decided my reply would be better spent furthering my own agenda. |
Snake Sellors
Hellstorm Inc General Tso's Alliance
484
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Posted - 2014.09.20 18:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:RayRay James wrote:Currently, it is possible for a single player to solo a single vehicle given proper skills and situations. I should know, I do it sometimes.
Unfortunately, the only current way to do that requires a forge gun. Swarms (pre buff) and PLC are just not capable of doing that. Maybe it's the Commando, but I myself have soloed many vehicles with a Swarm Launcher, though most of them are Madrugars and Un-Hardened Gunnlogies. But to do so, you need to invest Heavily into it, as well as know how/when to delay a volley's flight. RayRay James wrote:The thing is, I'm not sure they should. Forge is a heavy weapon, the rest are light. Heavy weapons should be a major threat to all vehicles. Light's should need at least two people, imo. Then why would anyone choose anything other than a Forge Gun?
the commando bonus will have a large impact.
an av weapon should be able to destroy vehicles. that is the short answer.
there should be variables involved, but an av specialist should be able to destroy all but the most skilled into vehicles-with a variable that extremely skilled players should be able to do things that are not within the rule of thumb for both sides i.e a very skilled pilot should be able to get away, and a very skilled av player should be able to destroy vehicles that woukld escape a worse player.
there is no excuse for a vehicle that can return to the same av player knowing they could get away everytime. that leads to vehicles that just circle until they kill their target. there is also no excuses for being able to take a vehicle into the middle of 12 or so people with no risk.
no players should not be forced into skilling into the heavy class and weapons if they want to destroy the ads that keeps going 30-0. if that is to be the case then All av should be heavy weapons. There is literally no point in a weapon that does not kill or destroy on it's own.
i.e why should any player invest hard earned sp into a weapon that only ever gets assists? (don't forget that they are not cheaper than other weapons.)
n.b there is a video on here where saxonmish takes down a dropship that has no shields using his rail rifle! but sure the anti vehicle missile launcher shouldn't destroy vehicles...
..really? |
The Master Race
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.20 18:43:00 -
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I am a pilot myself.. and know how op they are because unless there is at least 2 or 3 attackers and I just sit there I won't die. Shield boost + boosters and no one will take you down. I only fly militia with no upgrades and have little to no issue traversing the field I would invest in ads but really I like to ram to much. In my eyes if I ram one ads it pretty much pays for 8 throw away ds. So maybe it is a problem scaling of upgrades as even the starter ds are op. |
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