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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 14:49:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Your question is a black and white fallacy: either one AV player can or cannot take on a vehicle.
The truth is a single AV player should be enough to threaten and/or disrupt vehicles, but actually killing them should be difficult, but not impossible, depending on the situation, each player's skill, and a multitude of other variables.
If a single AV player could easily kill a vehicle, then vehicles would be worthless once 2-3 players used AV.
It's a balancing game, and vehicles should have a slight edge, but that's not to mean that they should be an "I win" button. Any AVer should be a thorn in the side of a pilot unless dealt with immediately, either by fleeing or engaging.
My opinion, rather neatly summed up. Nicely done.
Doable is demanded. Easy kills are not fun, nor should anyone seek to make vehicles trivial kills. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:01:00 -
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You have but its understandable.
I used to solo marauders back in the day and was pretty good at it.
Here is the kicker:
I only realized there was a weakspot that is exploitable about two months ago. I banged my head on the desk pretty hard in response and I've been ganking HAVs since chromosome.
I was doing it the hard way the whole two years.
Doing it the hard way is kinda fun. |
Breakin Stuff
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Posted - 2014.09.19 15:48:00 -
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SILENT GIANT wrote:wall of text
Here's the rub. AV ISN'T in line for significant buffing.
Nor should it be.
The only buffs are making swarms able to outrun a dropship (by 10 meters per second) while nerfing the 90-degree cornering. This is not a bad tradeoff.
The other is accelerating the laughworthy plasma cannon projectile so it can actually apply its power and not simply be a troll weapon/AoE shotgun.
But there are no damage buffs in line for AV. The two buffs are solely to allow our under performing AV (swarms and plasma cannon) to be able to land hits in decent fashion. There should be little to no change in time to kill. ADS will still take 4 pro swarm shots to kill. Plasma cannons wont be utterly dependent upon the "surprise buttsex!" Maneuver.
Thats it. No forge buffs. No increases to heavy damage mods. No increase of av base damage. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 16:04:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Atiim wrote:Are Anti-Vehicle weapons (read: SLs, FGs, PLCs, & R/PEs) meant to "solo" vehicles? I'd love CCP's comment as well. Truthfully, I feel that a single devoted AV'er, when properly fitted, should be able to solo a vehicle. He has assumed the role of AV'er. If he can't destroy vehicles on his own then why bother having the role? A vehicle user has dedicated a ton of skill points and ISK to killing everything around him. If someone can thwart his efforts with a single cost-efficient pea shooter, why should anyone run vehicles?
The AVer is similarly vulnerable to hostile infantry with peashooters that are helpless against your vehicle.
Infantry < tank < av < Infantry < tank < av < Infantry < tank < av
Notice a pattern? Vehicles are rock. Av is paper. Infantry is scissors.
And I have dedicated a lot of ISK and SP to killing your vehicles. Why should that be relegated to a sideshow?
Vehicle users seem to have this belief that more money should be rewarded with invulnerability.
This is not good design space. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 17:17:00 -
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Outrunning my forge gun fit is much trickier than one might believe.
I steal blue vehicles and chase at the drop of a hat. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:37:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:RayRay James wrote:A tank or ADS can run away from my forge suit with no problems, not so with a scout and a swarm launcher. A vehicle on the run travels much faster than the fastest Scout. - Scout w/Swarm Launcher True, but you can give chase better than a heavy on foot
Any heavy who chases a dropship on foot is incurably stupid. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 19:46:00 -
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The fact that I can solo any vehicle you can drop has never stopped anyone from dropping them or rendered them useless.
This BS about it being unfair for a 1v1 25m sp AV vs. A 25m sp vehicle to be only slightly lopsided In the vehicle's favor is hilarious.
You bastards won't be happy until 5 v 1 is slightly lopsided in the vehicle's favor while retaining the ability to farm infantry for easy WP.
The entitlement issues are overpowering in here. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 22:46:00 -
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1 player counters 1 player. Being in a vehicle does not magically make you two players. Balancing so that one player requires two to kill is the definition of imbalance. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.19 23:03:00 -
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Lets not forget that most pilot are idiots who couldn't find their asses with both hands, a plan and a map.
These are usually the ones in here bitching about how unfair it is that AV gunners can blow up their blinged out autism chariots. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 07:32:00 -
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Gunnlogis are hit or miss with swarms. It literally depends on whether they are running an overtanked setup and whether they have a hardener.
Swarms versus a hardener on a gunnlogi is don't bother. Wait for a better opening.
An overtanked gunnlogi without a hardener takes 5 shots from a forge not in the back arc. This isn't a problem IMHO.
People keep forgetting that the only issue is dropships outrunning swarms. The buff to the weapon ONLY corects that one thing. It means that dropship pilots can no longer afford to loiter as long beforw bugging out.
The changes will not affect tanks except if you get behind a building the swarms will not pull a 90 degree corner and still hit you. Nor will they be able to pull a 180 and chase a dropship unerringly.
That is the intended fix.
There is none of that "AV needs to be an automatic win butan.
If AV were to be made an autokill on vehicles I would be protesting the changes, not gloating that I can farm expensive vehicles.
This crybabying is bloody amazing. |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 14:38:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:My position is fully supported and infallible. I have no further need to support it, nor do I have any need to display class to an idiot.
No matter what I say you are too much of an entitled moron to understand how things have to be. All I can do now is offer you the charity of recognizing how stupid you are.
Nice personal attacks.
Unfortunately your position is only supported by "I want it this way" in defiance of both precedent and evidence to the contrary.
I'm afraid your poison analogy was stretching credulity quite a bit. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:08:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not really.
AV stops vehicles from doing their job. That is their purpose and that is what they do.
You are not entitled to anything else, nor will you receive anything else.
Vehicles are not entitled to escape destruction.
No one is entitled to squat.
What makes you think you are a special snowflake that gets to have his way? Besides deliberately trolling the thread? |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 16:24:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum
This statement has been proven wrong numerous times. After all, you play DUST.
Quote:actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain.
The mere thought that playing video games makes one relevant somehow has to be the most hilariously stupid thing anyone has ever said on these forums.
Congratulations.
You win the "No one cares what you think still" award.
In my experience geniuses don't have to claim it. It is evident. You fail utterly. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 17:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Probably because I'm smarter than pretty much everyone on the forum
This statement has been proven wrong numerous times. After all, you play DUST. Quote:actually have a paying career in competitive gaming, whereas most of the folks who come on here are idiotic neckbeards who strive for a relevance they will never attain. The mere thought that playing video games makes one relevant somehow has to be the most hilariously stupid thing anyone has ever said on these forums. Congratulations. You win the "No one cares what you think still" award. In my experience geniuses don't have to claim it. It is evident. You fail utterly. It makes one relevant as far as conversation about video game mechanics go. Simply put, I understand them -- you do not. That can change, though. I am still taking students for this Winter. $45 an hour and I guarantee after each session you will be far less garbage than you were prior.
You'd need to pay me a lot more than 45 bux before I'd be willing to attend a class on how to have fun playing video games.
If you're involved my cost triples. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 20:45:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:
Well, I'm the one guy smarter than you and I say, Nananana booboo.
I've seen smarter chihuahuas. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.09.20 22:03:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:
Well, I'm the one guy smarter than you and I say, Nananana booboo.
I've seen smarter chihuahuas. Did I spell Nananana wrong again? Oddly, wasn't referencing you.
I will next time so you don't feel left out. |
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