currently a thales on a calmando hits for near 500 dmg a shot.. if that was nerfed down to maybe 100-200 a shot the HS multiplier would need to be like 2000% or something stupid to combat sentinel snipers

#1 yes that was my argument against that option noob.

#2 it wouldnt as they still have stupid range its just more to force them to snipe from INSIDE the "BURN ZONE" not way back in the REDLINE having a damn cup of what ever you redlineing SOBs drink.

#3 well im sick of snipers just sitting in the redline bodyshotting people and killing them in like 2 shots, gtfo of the redline and get some headshots! which is my argument for the dmg nerf but massive HS multiplier buff.. then that way only scrub snipers will whine that they cant bodyshot people to death while pros can and will reap skulls

noob.
you redlineing SOBs drink.s

Currently Snipers have near 0% Risk vs Reward because they snipe from the redline... So would you rather have one of these three options..

#1 redline removal[1]

#2 heavy range nerf/optimal range nerf/sights range nerf[2]

#3 ultra damage nerf to snipers but major buff to HS multiplier so they can still perform their role but cannot dominate and kill by just noskill bodyshotting people form the redline[3]

please answer with just a 1 or 2 or 3



[1] this could cause some controversy and major one sided-ness with Queue-syncers basically stopping anyone form even getting away from the mcc. it would also leave the snipers as they are now but give people the opportunity to hunt you gimps who dont dare come out of the redline atm.


[2]this one is probably the heaviest option which would let snipers still be the gimps they are from the redline but only in certain circumstances where the targets are close to the redline and would force snipers closer to the fight and actually have some RISK vs REWARD

[3] more sensible idea.. only change to snipers would be damage per shot so they cannot just body-shot people to death from super long range cause they cannot get a Head-shot, and a major buff to head-shot multiplier so those with skill or a clear shot can still OHK people and even heavy suits/sentinels due to the massive HS multiplier.

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I think they should make the redline just like hiding inside the MCC. You can't shoot from or be shot there, but once you get out, it's fair game for everyone.

CCP approves Redline Sniping

If the redline was removed though then it would be a race to see who could park a ton of tanks in the enemies ground spawn and under their MCC lol.

This sniper has no idea what you're talking about..

Enemy snipers risk is plenty if I'm in the match, or any other competent sniper for that matter.

1. I'm a proto sniper (200k dropsuit)
2. I lose 1-3 drop ships per match (-50,000 to -150,000) off the top
3. I'm almost never in the red line.

My risk is high in comparison. My reward is also high in comparison (hint:it's not ISK)

It's kills.

I can't imagine staying in my own red line most of the time, it's so boring!

If someone wants to play this game on BORING MODE..

I tend not to worry about it so much.

These players are most often non-factors in match outcome.

Annoying at best.

Free kills for me.

Cry more?

!@#$

well said.

Currently Snipers have near 0% Risk vs Reward because they snipe from the redline... So would you rather have one of these three options..

#1 redline removal[1]

#2 heavy range nerf/optimal range nerf/sights range nerf[2]

#3 ultra damage nerf to snipers but major buff to HS multiplier so they can still perform their role but cannot dominate and kill by just noskill bodyshotting people form the redline[3]

please answer with just a 1 or 2 or 3



[1] this could cause some controversy and major one sided-ness with Queue-syncers basically stopping anyone form even getting away from the mcc. it would also leave the snipers as they are now but give people the opportunity to hunt you gimps who dont dare come out of the redline atm.


[2]this one is probably the heaviest option which would let snipers still be the gimps they are from the redline but only in certain circumstances where the targets are close to the redline and would force snipers closer to the fight and actually have some RISK vs REWARD

[3] more sensible idea.. only change to snipers would be damage per shot so they cannot just body-shot people to death from super long range cause they cannot get a Head-shot, and a major buff to head-shot multiplier so those with skill or a clear shot can still OHK people and even heavy suits/sentinels due to the massive HS multiplier.

Sadly, it kinda already is like that on some maps....

Yeah, I know what's it called Manus Peak Domination? The one where one side starts out with its MCC right on top of the ******* objective. That map is stupid.

I just started to get back into Sniping after Charlie (I ran Sniper exclusively from open beta to 1.6 or 1.7, don't remember anymore). Here's my take on your 3 "options"

What your suggestions are doing are just making the sniper a non-viable option, which I'm guessing is what you are aiming for.

1. This I don't really have an issue with as long as we can figure out a way for someone to deploy without getting shot in the face 3 seconds after spawning in.

2. Already accomplished. With the new reticules, I don't really seem to have a problem hitting bodies. However, Head Shots are damn neared impossible. I'm running a Charge and at about 200 meters, it becomes a guessing game as to where the head is at. Anything farther and I just accept the fact it is going to be all body shots with a couple lucky hits. Past 300, I'm starting to settle in and find the sweet spot but it still isn't perfect by any means

3. No. I can shoot a Sentinel 4 or 5 times with a Charge Sniper rifle and not kill them because while I'm reloading, they are replenishing their shields and armor. With the aforementioned #2, headshots are not as automatic as before.

My counter-proposal: Leave the current alpha/optimal damage where they are at and give a 200% increase to Headshot damage. If a charge is doing 340 (approx with damage mods), it should do 340+340+340 = 1020 damage for a Headshot. That will kill most anything short of sentinel, which, I can accept taking 2 Headshots to kill.

However, I do believe something needs to be done with the scope. Make the peep in the middle slightly smaller for a more accurate lineup and give it a 25-50% zoom. This will make it easier for people to get those headshots that you are asking for.

OR, as SymbioticForks suggested, use this reticule on the "frontline" sniper rifles and go back to the old scope for the Charge and Thales. Personally, I don't understand why it would be so difficult, since both scopes are built, to let the individual choose which scope to use. Because, like I said, I'm not having a real problem landing shots with this scope (in fact, it may be just a touch easier), but Headshots are nigh impossible. So if I want to go support and just work on finishing people off or wearing them down to make it easier for my teammates, I can choose to use the new scope. If I want to alpha dog it and go for 1 shot 1 kill, I can use the old scope which seems to be more user friendly in regards to headshots.


On, and before anyone gets on their "GitGud TryHard" podium, I might not be the most well known sniper but I don't redline. I have actually found that getting in close with rail rifles, sentinels, etc have given me a new perspective which helps when I am picking out sniping nests. On some of the Dom/Skirm maps, I often find myself closer to the middle of the map in some little covey hole than I am to the redline. On Ambush, I am going to stick on the outskirts away from the masses because, well, duh, but it's far enough from the redline where anyone can walk over to me and, if they find me, can kill me.

I just started to get back into Sniping after Charlie (I ran Sniper exclusively from open beta to 1.6 or 1.7, don't remember anymore). Here's my take on your 3 "options"

What your suggestions are doing are just making the sniper a non-viable option, which I'm guessing is what you are aiming for.

1. This I don't really have an issue with as long as we can figure out a way for someone to deploy without getting shot in the face 3 seconds after spawning in.

2. Already accomplished. With the new reticules, I don't really seem to have a problem hitting bodies. However, Head Shots are damn neared impossible. I'm running a Charge and at about 200 meters, it becomes a guessing game as to where the head is at. Anything farther and I just accept the fact it is going to be all body shots with a couple lucky hits. Past 300, I'm starting to settle in and find the sweet spot but it still isn't perfect by any means

3. No. I can shoot a Sentinel 4 or 5 times with a Charge Sniper rifle and not kill them because while I'm reloading, they are replenishing their shields and armor. With the aforementioned #2, headshots are not as automatic as before.

My counter-proposal: Leave the current alpha/optimal damage where they are at and give a 200% increase to Headshot damage. If a charge is doing 340 (approx with damage mods), it should do 340+340+340 = 1020 damage for a Headshot. That will kill most anything short of sentinel, which, I can accept taking 2 Headshots to kill.

However, I do believe something needs to be done with the scope. Make the peep in the middle slightly smaller for a more accurate lineup and give it a 25-50% zoom. This will make it easier for people to get those headshots that you are asking for.

OR, as SymbioticForks suggested, use this reticule on the "frontline" sniper rifles and go back to the old scope for the Charge and Thales. Personally, I don't understand why it would be so difficult, since both scopes are built, to let the individual choose which scope to use. Because, like I said, I'm not having a real problem landing shots with this scope (in fact, it may be just a touch easier), but Headshots are nigh impossible. So if I want to go support and just work on finishing people off or wearing them down to make it easier for my teammates, I can choose to use the new scope. If I want to alpha dog it and go for 1 shot 1 kill, I can use the old scope which seems to be more user friendly in regards to headshots.


On, and before anyone gets on their "GitGud TryHard" podium, I might not be the most well known sniper but I don't redline. I have actually found that getting in close with rail rifles, sentinels, etc have given me a new perspective which helps when I am picking out sniping nests. On some of the Dom/Skirm maps, I often find myself closer to the middle of the map in some little covey hole than I am to the redline. On Ambush, I am going to stick on the outskirts away from the masses because, well, duh, but it's far enough from the redline where anyone can walk over to me and, if they find me, can kill me.

Currently Snipers have near 0% Risk vs Reward because they snipe from the redline... So would you rather have one of these three options..

#1 redline removal[1]

#2 heavy range nerf/optimal range nerf/sights range nerf[2]

#3 ultra damage nerf to snipers but major buff to HS multiplier so they can still perform their role but cannot dominate and kill by just noskill bodyshotting people form the redline[3]

please answer with just a 1 or 2 or 3



[1] this could cause some controversy and major one sided-ness with Queue-syncers basically stopping anyone form even getting away from the mcc. it would also leave the snipers as they are now but give people the opportunity to hunt you gimps who dont dare come out of the redline atm.


[2]this one is probably the heaviest option which would let snipers still be the gimps they are from the redline but only in certain circumstances where the targets are close to the redline and would force snipers closer to the fight and actually have some RISK vs REWARD

[3] more sensible idea.. only change to snipers would be damage per shot so they cannot just body-shot people to death from super long range cause they cannot get a Head-shot, and a major buff to head-shot multiplier so those with skill or a clear shot can still OHK people and even heavy suits/sentinels due to the massive HS multiplier.

Your logic is broken here... Reasons include, but do not completely cover your jacked view of reason....

The sniper rifle should be feared, this is the only game that there is a "Sway" for using sights, and NO hip fire sight....

Snipers know how to use cover... To get kills...

The redline you talk about... CCP made maps WITH the cover for most snipers to be able to USE it.... not that redline is right, but it is a place CCP thought long and hard about including here...

Other posters are still using the term "Head Glitch".... That is CCP's fault for not fixing Line of Sight so the snipers BEHIND cover and revealing enough of themselves to get a clean shot off, are shown as a visible person.... CCP fault, not cover snipers....

As a sniper, I "See" many people behind cover and can not hit them... CCP rendering issue again... they are not " Cover Glitchers.... LMAO

Read what the game expresses as a sniper rifle... It is a 2500 meters per second weapon.... shooting a big arsed bullet... But we can only get shots off at 599.99.... Fail for the future of weapons.... This is so alllll you little whining babies can play your game without a sniper OWNING you at objectives... But there are still complaints and cry BABIES like the original poster that want snipers to accept 1 2 or 3... 1, lose cover so scouts and LAV's can go hunt snipers....2, get a 2500 meters per second weapon with a decay in damage rate as bad as a plasma weapon.... 3, Just bend over and take his ignorant, lack of war knowledge ideas and say there are no such things as snipers and the boogy man and christmas....

There are risks to snipers and even so with those using a Thale. I will go over them a bit:

• Kamikaze Dropships. Very VERY infrequent but there are players who get that enraged dying to a thale they will simply call in a dropship and try to python the hell out of you just for the sole fact of killing you. It's not about KDR at that stage but simply revenge. I've had this happen while it's only killed me twice, it DOES happen and THEREFORE is a risk to us.
• No other job creates as much animosity or hate as a sniper and the fact that players single you out at times means your susceptible to vehicles and countersniping. Unlike a field troop or vehicle, players are ACTIVELY looking for just you and if one of them does have a Thale or a Charge they can simply pick you off if they are good at it. Even as a shotgun user with a cloak pre 1.7 you never had ppl going "oh that scout with a cloak and shotgun killed me I'mma search the field to kill them". This happens ONLY to snipers.The act of dying at a sniper's hand is like a calling card then and there.
• For thale users, 1 death is alone a COSTLY death than dying several times in a proto suit if you dont have a means to stock a horde of them. For some players the cost of loosing several charge snipers is pennies to loosing a Thale.

But yes. to assume that there is no risk at all is pretty silly a notion. Snipers may have the superior KDR's overall but it's not like you can pick up a sniper and become all assassin~y...you have hone your skills as to where to set up, watching for counter sniping and, above all, being patient but on the look out.

no they didnt.. the redline was to stop dominating teams from camping the opposing teams MCC spawn or the ground spawn it was not created for Snipers to get free kills with 0% risk quit thinking your entitled and better then the rest of us who go out there and die repeatedly and have more fun then you snipers will ever have