DUST Search - an open question for Snipers

Thokk Nightshade wrote:

I just started to get back into Sniping after Charlie (I ran Sniper exclusively from open beta to 1.6 or 1.7, don't remember anymore). Here's my take on your 3 "options"

What your suggestions are doing are just making the sniper a non-viable option, which I'm guessing is what you are aiming for.

1. This I don't really have an issue with as long as we can figure out a way for someone to deploy without getting shot in the face 3 seconds after spawning in.

2. Already accomplished. With the new reticules, I don't really seem to have a problem hitting bodies. However, Head Shots are damn neared impossible. I'm running a Charge and at about 200 meters, it becomes a guessing game as to where the head is at. Anything farther and I just accept the fact it is going to be all body shots with a couple lucky hits. Past 300, I'm starting to settle in and find the sweet spot but it still isn't perfect by any means

3. No. I can shoot a Sentinel 4 or 5 times with a Charge Sniper rifle and not kill them because while I'm reloading, they are replenishing their shields and armor. With the aforementioned #2, headshots are not as automatic as before.

My counter-proposal: Leave the current alpha/optimal damage where they are at and give a 200% increase to Headshot damage. If a charge is doing 340 (approx with damage mods), it should do 340+340+340 = 1020 damage for a Headshot. That will kill most anything short of sentinel, which, I can accept taking 2 Headshots to kill.

However, I do believe something needs to be done with the scope. Make the peep in the middle slightly smaller for a more accurate lineup and give it a 25-50% zoom. This will make it easier for people to get those headshots that you are asking for.

OR, as SymbioticForks suggested, use this reticule on the "frontline" sniper rifles and go back to the old scope for the Charge and Thales. Personally, I don't understand why it would be so difficult, since both scopes are built, to let the individual choose which scope to use. Because, like I said, I'm not having a real problem landing shots with this scope (in fact, it may be just a touch easier), but Headshots are nigh impossible. So if I want to go support and just work on finishing people off or wearing them down to make it easier for my teammates, I can choose to use the new scope. If I want to alpha dog it and go for 1 shot 1 kill, I can use the old scope which seems to be more user friendly in regards to headshots.

On, and before anyone gets on their "GitGud TryHard" podium, I might not be the most well known sniper but I don't redline. I have actually found that getting in close with rail rifles, sentinels, etc have given me a new perspective which helps when I am picking out sniping nests. On some of the Dom/Skirm maps, I often find myself closer to the middle of the map in some little covey hole than I am to the redline. On Ambush, I am going to stick on the outskirts away from the masses because, well, duh, but it's far enough from the redline where anyone can walk over to me and, if they find me, can kill me.


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jace silencerww Inner.Hell 34	Posted - 2014.08.26 12:06:00 - [1] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mregomies wrote: After a good field battle is good to go redline with Thale's, have a cup of coffee and relax. exactly my point, 0% risk so hopfully you snipers get shafted soon in delta as i recall hearing snipers are getting balanced in delta along with logi and commando. so you best get all the use out of your thales as you can lol near 0% my butt. pull out a thale and see how long it takes someone to start hunting for you. I know a lot of the top snipers as soon as they see thale they go on the hunt to kill the guy. when you use any other sr your chances are about 10% of getting killed but if your redlined it goes up to 25% but using a thale it is about 30-75% chance you will be hunted. ads can fly deep into the redline kill the sniper and fly out or counter sniped or an OB dropped on you or a heavy with an hmg using a militia dropship crash it on and/or next to you and mow you down. I have done them a few times due to a sniper causing my squad some deaths. the most of the redline snipers get about 150,000-225,000 isk and half the time get less than 20 kills. however you do have some sniper who can get 25-40 kills on avg per battle. so back off the snipers. with al the buffs, armor plates, cloak, proficiency changes and etc the only thing that has happened to the sr was the one time 10% buff and that happened to all weapons. the scopes are fixed and crap new sight has drop the sr down even more. so my answer is wait to see what CCP is changing about them in Delta before you say anything. btw everyone know about the redline problem and rail tanks and sniper so come up wth a good answer no ccp wont take away or put a time on being in your redline due to the matchmaking and one side being killed as soon as the try to fight out of the redline reasons are simple people will just leave the battle if there is a timer instead of getting killed as soon as they try to push out of it. then you will have battles as soon as your redlined people leave and don't even try to fight back.
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 35	Posted - 2014.08.26 12:10:00 - [2] - Quote Scar Scrilla wrote: I still don't understand ppl's problems with snipers... do u get shot by them so often u have to come to the forums and cry about them? Same goes for the ppl complaining about the new recticule: why didn't u speak up when the idea first came up? Now that the changes have been implemented u come out and complain...funny somehow some did speak out and pointed out future problems with it but most agreed to try it and see most of the top snipers like the old sight as it was but a lot of newbies cried about it and not being able to quick scope.
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 39	Posted - 2014.08.26 23:22:00 - [3] - Quote Symbioticforks wrote: This sniper has no idea what you're talking about.. Enemy snipers risk is plenty if I'm in the match, or any other competent sniper for that matter. 1. I'm a proto sniper (200k dropsuit) 2. I lose 1-3 drop ships per match (-50,000 to -150,000) off the top 3. I'm almost never in the red line. My risk is high in comparison. My reward is also high in comparison (hint:it's not ISK) It's kills. I can't imagine staying in my own red line most of the time, it's so boring! If someone wants to play this game on BORING MODE.. I tend not to worry about it so much. These players are most often non-factors in match outcome. Annoying at best. Free kills for me. Cry more? !@#$ well said.
jace silencerww Inner.Hell 40	Posted - 2014.08.27 05:27:00 - [4] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: I just started to get back into Sniping after Charlie (I ran Sniper exclusively from open beta to 1.6 or 1.7, don't remember anymore). Here's my take on your 3 "options" What your suggestions are doing are just making the sniper a non-viable option, which I'm guessing is what you are aiming for. 1. This I don't really have an issue with as long as we can figure out a way for someone to deploy without getting shot in the face 3 seconds after spawning in. 2. Already accomplished. With the new reticules, I don't really seem to have a problem hitting bodies. However, Head Shots are damn neared impossible. I'm running a Charge and at about 200 meters, it becomes a guessing game as to where the head is at. Anything farther and I just accept the fact it is going to be all body shots with a couple lucky hits. Past 300, I'm starting to settle in and find the sweet spot but it still isn't perfect by any means 3. No. I can shoot a Sentinel 4 or 5 times with a Charge Sniper rifle and not kill them because while I'm reloading, they are replenishing their shields and armor. With the aforementioned #2, headshots are not as automatic as before. My counter-proposal: Leave the current alpha/optimal damage where they are at and give a 200% increase to Headshot damage. If a charge is doing 340 (approx with damage mods), it should do 340+340+340 = 1020 damage for a Headshot. That will kill most anything short of sentinel, which, I can accept taking 2 Headshots to kill. However, I do believe something needs to be done with the scope. Make the peep in the middle slightly smaller for a more accurate lineup and give it a 25-50% zoom. This will make it easier for people to get those headshots that you are asking for. OR, as SymbioticForks suggested, use this reticule on the "frontline" sniper rifles and go back to the old scope for the Charge and Thales. Personally, I don't understand why it would be so difficult, since both scopes are built, to let the individual choose which scope to use. Because, like I said, I'm not having a real problem landing shots with this scope (in fact, it may be just a touch easier), but Headshots are nigh impossible. So if I want to go support and just work on finishing people off or wearing them down to make it easier for my teammates, I can choose to use the new scope. If I want to alpha dog it and go for 1 shot 1 kill, I can use the old scope which seems to be more user friendly in regards to headshots. On, and before anyone gets on their "GitGud TryHard" podium, I might not be the most well known sniper but I don't redline. I have actually found that getting in close with rail rifles, sentinels, etc have given me a new perspective which helps when I am picking out sniping nests. On some of the Dom/Skirm maps, I often find myself closer to the middle of the map in some little covey hole than I am to the redline. On Ambush, I am going to stick on the outskirts away from the masses because, well, duh, but it's far enough from the redline where anyone can walk over to me and, if they find me, can kill me. 340 with a 200% headshot is 640. to get 1020 it is 300%.