If anything, the only change to snipers should be a range reduction to 300M to bring them in ling with the other rail weapons. Doesn't really make sense for a light rail weapon like a Sniper Rifle to out-range larger Railguns.

This would also cut down on snipers sitting in their redline and firing across the map with relative safety. Hell, wasn't this (hiding in the redline) the exact reason Rail turrets for nerf'd?

just went 19-3 on Border Gulch dom sniping from the WALKWAY BEHIND THE OBJECTIVE. so shut it with your "Snipers don't participate" bs, I don't think I could've gotten any closer and still have been useful, and this is after having not played a match for about 2 weeks.......so I'm a bit rusty and the new reticule is making me have to change some ****.

Snipers don't need a range reduction.....or there's no point to calling them sniper rifles, they do need either a headshot damage buff or higher alpha though, not a huge amount, just a little bump.

indeed just the other day i managed 52/0 in a map where my team won on clones, all of my kills were near the objective, they weren't cherry picked as i don't believe in leaving the biggest threats alone, and that was within 250 meters.
but on a wider map where the enemy could move around more with this new scope it wouldn't happen. because moving headshots are guesswork.

the 2nd player howdidhekillme had in the high twenties, after the two of us there were no other particularly impressive performances and the blues didn't capture the point.

but sure yeah ok.. snipers don't contribute

[

Snipers killing me aren't what I'm mad about. I'm mad about people not wanting to participate in matches. I don't know you, you can hate me. Just as you've admitting sniping isn't good for anything but making matches boring.

If anything, the only change to snipers should be a range reduction to 300M to bring them in ling with the other rail weapons. Doesn't really make sense for a light rail weapon like a Sniper Rifle to out-range larger Railguns.

This would also cut down on snipers sitting in their redline and firing across the map with relative safety. Hell, wasn't this (hiding in the redline) the exact reason Rail turrets for nerf'd?

People get fed up of being stomped by 6 man corp squads so they gradually spend the whole game retreating till they get their backs against the wall.

I spend alot of the game pushing, but me too after a certain point, ill say **** it and grab a sniper and play defensive from the red line. What choice to I have? I cant afford to constantly lose suits. Once ive lost my acceptable limit, then all I care about is the clock running down. Im not a damn charity.

Blueberry Snipers GRR! *shakefist*

Show us where the noob snipers touched you Thor.

That being said, the "Kill someone while in the redline gives you 20 seconds to leave the redline" suggestion, does come to mind.

Yeah, I don't see that used to the advantage of either side ever

Of course its flawed (sitting on edge of redline), just a suggestion ive read countless times in sniper thread in the past few months.

TL;DR: Remove the Sniper Starter Fit and don't let your hatred for blueberries carry over towards dedicated snipers.

My only problem with ideas to "fix" redline sniping is you can't really do it without screwing over everyone else in some way, I'd rather suffer through people giving my role a bad name than screwing over everyone else just to give one type of player the finger.

what will stop them from just stepping out and back into the redline? what about those long queues for vehicles?.. id much rater say if they kill some one from the redline they themselves are also forcibly suicided for not killing with in the "burn zone"

That's not the problem.

Sniper rifles must be in an FPS. How to balance Sniper rifles? Simple:

-Buff damage in order to 1 shot any medium frame and 2 shots heavies.

-Add variable zoom optics, buff optics, like 4x, 8x, 16x

But

-Add bullet falloff and travel time.

-Sniper Rifles must be equipped on a light frame

This way, snipers will deal a huge amount of damage (if they actually hit the target), could possibly one shot heavies (headshot), but they'll also be a glass-cannon subject to counter sniping.
People will also be motivated to bring at least one skilled sniper in PC both to snipe or countersnipe.

Ta-da! Skilled snipers will drag the hell out of anyone. But only people who actually puts some effort into sniping.

What do you think, snipers community? Wouldn't it be better this way? If you're good, you'll kill much more than a HMG defending one point in Domination on 20 Allotek Hives. If you're not, well...

And give a timer for the friendly redline,

Thanks

No. Cause then everybody would snipe and escalate the redline problem further.

That's not the problem.

Sniper rifles must be in an FPS. How to balance Sniper rifles? Simple:

-Buff damage in order to 1 shot any medium frame and 2 shots heavies.

-Add variable zoom optics, buff optics, like 4x, 8x, 16x

But

-Add bullet falloff and travel time.

-Sniper Rifles must be equipped on a light frame

This way, snipers will deal a huge amount of damage (if they actually hit the target), could possibly one shot heavies (headshot), but they'll also be a glass-cannon subject to counter sniping.
People will also be motivated to bring at least one skilled sniper in PC both to snipe or countersnipe.

Ta-da! Skilled snipers will drag the hell out of anyone. But only people who actually puts some effort into sniping.

What do you think, snipers community? Wouldn't it be better this way? If you're good, you'll kill much more than a HMG defending one point in Domination on 20 Allotek Hives. If you're not, well...

Then your problem rests with terri-bad players, not Snipers.

Though honestly, would you rather them 'Snipe', AFK, or simply leave battle?

You are going to have to get aggressive to make people fight in matches.

Pretty soon the rest of the decent players will choose to jerk off instead of this BS.

Honestly I'd like to see incentives for people to squad up and fight.

If it's more ISK, leadership skills for squad boosts, something. But any further boost to range weapons of any type will only compound the passive, risk averse tendencies that plague Dust at the moment.

More moving turrets that aren't in tactically important locations might help too.

People get fed up of being stomped by 6 man corp squads so they gradually spend the whole game retreating till they get their backs against the wall.

I spend alot of the game pushing, but me too after a certain point, ill say **** it and grab a sniper and play defensive from the red line. What choice to I have? I cant afford to constantly lose suits. Once ive lost my acceptable limit, then all I care about is the clock running down. Im not a damn charity.

snipers aren't even problems, just counter snipe them with ur combat rifle.

some people don't like to squad up, it's personal preference, that's why there is no rule that you have to squad up, don't tell people to go in battles in a squad, that's what you like, not always the person.

I have long been an advocate of removing sniper rifles until they are fixed but the problem as I see it isn't that they are useless it is that the risk reward mechanics as they relate to sniping are broken.

Currently snipers hide in the redline and well away from combat because they get rewarded (by getting kills) with almost zero risk. What we need to do is boost the potential for reward but also make the weapon riskier to use. I see this happening by:

GÇó boosting the base damage (quite a bit)

GÇó making snipers radar completely ineffective while scoped

GÇó decreasing range (300m seems reasonable since it forces players to move out the the redline on most maps)

GÇó adding variable zoom, and making sure the weapon does not start aimed at dead center when you intially scope (it should be a random direction that centers after a few seconds to remove the possibility of no scoping).

You'll notice that this is a blend of buffs (damage and scope) as well as some pretty serious nerfs (no radar while scoped and decreased range). By buffing damage and providing a variable zoom snipers have easier ways to generate kills (an increase to the potential reward of the role) but the nerfs also dramatically increase the risk.

The additional risk to the role would probably lead to fewer people choosing to snipe in a given battle.

I suspect that Thor and other players like him would have fewer issues with snipers given these changes.