You seem like a dude who just likes to argue.

If you are as good as you insinuate then you'd be making more, not less.

You'll notice I'm discussing proper dueling proceedure since I am more than confident that an ignoramus like yourself will have no understanding of the honorable art of single combat.

I don't enjoy arguing, i prefer to discuss. It was fine until your corp mate rolled in and degraded the conversation into a petty tirade.

Look I don't enjoy redline sniping anymore than you enjoy having no one to shoot at. You have some crazy suggestions to fix what you perceive to be a problem. And i was pointing out that you aren't even fixing the problem, you are fixing a symptom of the problem. People dont go to the redline to make profit, they go to minimize further losses. They dont go as their first resort, it is most of the time, the last resort.

See you though, you just want to fix redline sniping without fixing the problem underlying it. Its a balance issue. You can put as many restrictions as you want on the redline, the problem will just migrate elsewhere. You kick everyone out of the redline...maybe they will just all pile into a DS and stay at the ceiling for awhile. People wont just give up, throw their hands in the air, and say "ok lets go and sacrifice ourselves repeatedly with free fits on so that Thor and his friends can have a good game". If they are avoiding you, they will find another way to.

Maybe you take a little initiative if you want to see something done. Dozens of people in this thread, including myself, have told you that redline snipers is the result of 1 team being vastly outgunned and outmatched, so they retreat. Maybe if you don't defeat your opposing team halfway through the match...you'll have people to play against all game.

As for myself, Im not hurting for ISK. I have a nice little pile I scrimped and saved up. But I got savings because I made choices to mitigate losses. If i played the game the way you want me to, I would have gone broke and quit a long time ago.



This made me laugh. Coming from a corp that always fights in squads, you're going to talk to me about "single combat"? You guys stomp newbs out of the academy while wearing proto, and you'll talk about "honor"? Your ideology does not match your actions.

I would accept your offer, but since you cant do anything without atleast 5 of your corpmates by your side, ill pass.
The day you are your own person and are able to stand on your own feet without 5 people propping you up each match, ill gladly take you up on that duel offer.

This made me laugh. Coming from a corp that always fights in squads, you're going to talk to me about "single combat"? You guys stomp newbs out of the academy while wearing proto, and you'll talk about "honor"? Your ideology does not match your actions.

I would accept your offer, but since you cant do anything without atleast 5 of your corpmates by your side, ill pass.
The day you are your own person and are able to stand on your own feet without 5 people propping you up each match, ill gladly take you up on that duel offer.

I don't enjoy arguing, i prefer to discuss. It was fine until your corp mate rolled in and degraded the conversation into a petty tirade.

Look I don't enjoy redline sniping anymore than you enjoy having no one to shoot at. You have some crazy suggestions to fix what you perceive to be a problem. And i was pointing out that you aren't even fixing the problem, you are fixing a symptom of the problem. People dont go to the redline to make profit, they go to minimize further losses. They dont go as their first resort, it is most of the time, the last resort.

See you though, you just want to fix redline sniping without fixing the problem underlying it. Its a balance issue. You can put as many restrictions as you want on the redline, the problem will just migrate elsewhere. You kick everyone out of the redline...maybe they will just all pile into a DS and stay at the ceiling for awhile. People wont just give up, throw their hands in the air, and say "ok lets go and sacrifice ourselves repeatedly with free fits on so that Thor and his friends can have a good game". If they are avoiding you, they will find another way to.

Maybe you take a little initiative if you want to see something done. Dozens of people in this thread, including myself, have told you that redline snipers is the result of 1 team being vastly outgunned and outmatched, so they retreat. Maybe if you don't defeat your opposing team halfway through the match...you'll have people to play against all game.

As for myself, Im not hurting for ISK. I have a nice little pile I scrimped and saved up. But I got savings because I made choices to mitigate losses. If i played the game the way you want me to, I would have gone broke and quit a long time ago.



This made me laugh. Coming from a corp that always fights in squads, you're going to talk to me about "single combat"? You guys stomp newbs out of the academy while wearing proto, and you'll talk about "honor"? Your ideology does not match your actions.

I would accept your offer, but since you cant do anything without atleast 5 of your corpmates by your side, ill pass.
The day you are your own person and are able to stand on your own feet without 5 people propping you up each match, ill gladly take you up on that duel offer.

A long time ago I called upon CCP to base WP rewards on metalevel differences; higher rewards would be given to people who kill mercs with a higher total meta level and fewer points would be given to people who use lower meta level gear. While this system is not and never will be put into place there is a small similarity in the current form of the game. Players who run high level gear have much higher potential losses. If I run in my proto logi I am looking at almost 200k isk for loosing the suit. A starter fit on the other hand is free. A group of players in poor gear can, and should, feel successful when they kill a player stomping about in their shiny black suit. They will have cost that player a ton of money while loosing none themselves, regardless of how many times they die.

Sniping is boring. It is the equivalent of clicking on an icon that moves around a bit. Actually attacking though, hunting, that takes tactics, communication, team work, and has a huge risk reward all of which leads to more fun.

You have forsaken the rules of dueling which I expect from one of your ilk but your impropriety will not save your dignity. Your words are nothing short of an acceptance to my challenge.

The Duel Has Been Accepted Now the Terms Will Be Set
Time: 11:30 pm west coast US time
Place: # sand castles channel
Weapon: Nova Knives
Duration: To the death of the first clone

Show your self and prove you're more than just a waste of space, or hide and prove all the rest of us correct.

We can make this happen.

Add #Sand Castles, I'll set up a thunderdome on one of our districts. We have multiple dudes who can record the 1v1s in spectator like mode to show it's fair. What roles do you play? I'll see who'd be interested. I'll even make it risk free. I'll cover your losses and I'll give you 20 mil ISK for each dude you beat in a best of 5.

I'm not the greatest slayer so most people can whip my ass. But in a squad providing support I'm pretty good. You need both in a team based game. I'll never apologize for my corp being good in squads, you sound like a fool insinuating that is a bad thing.

Beyond his calling team play unfair (which I find hillarious) is that he assumes all of us have gotten payed just because our corps are active in PC. Clearly he has absolutely zero understanding of general corp mechanics or the fact that only a few corps payed stipends (when passive isk from PC was a thing) and even then they really only payed their top players. Most of the rank and file of those corps got nothing from the passive isk.

I would also like to point out that Molon did not pay its players stipends and probably never will.

Nash...Hey Nash...your ignorance is showing again. You had better cover it up with another boring rant that makes you seem like a tantrum-ing two year old.

Snipers killing me aren't what I'm mad about. I'm mad about people not wanting to participate in matches. I don't know you, you can hate me. Just as you've admitting sniping isn't good for anything but making matches boring.