I no longer have the reflexes of a 16 year old..

**** this suggestion

and

**** you for suggesting it

Don't forget to give a 30 second timer for the battlefield. If you don't get a kill you die in that time.

Snipers are the weakest they've ever been..

Snipers aren't good enough for PC..

Snipers generally aren't effective..

If you want the role to stay nerfed into obscurity..

I kinda have to hate you for that one.

*Complains about people not participating in matches*

*Uses rubber-band to afk in Domination*

Perhaps you should read more often, as Sniper Rifle changes will be included in Hotfix Delta.

It's only as passive as you decide to make it. And the less passive it is, the more you're rewarded.

Let me reiterate, if the role were more viable, it would be less passive.

As it stands, I like to be an active sniper.

I destroy vehicles, hold down points, counter-snipe, destroy equipment, assist teammates, call in orbitals, draw lots of fire, and kill lots of people.

Then your problem rests with terri-bad players, not Snipers.

Though honestly, would you rather them 'Snipe', AFK, or simply leave battle?

People get fed up of being stomped by 6 man corp squads so they gradually spend the whole game retreating till they get their backs against the wall.

I spend alot of the game pushing, but me too after a certain point, ill say **** it and grab a sniper and play defensive from the red line. What choice to I have? I cant afford to constantly lose suits. Once ive lost my acceptable limit, then all I care about is the clock running down. Im not a damn charity.

snipers aren't even problems, just counter snipe them with ur combat rifle.

some people don't like to squad up, it's personal preference, that's why there is no rule that you have to squad up, don't tell people to go in battles in a squad, that's what you like, not always the person.

Well if I leave I wont get paid, so thats not an option. As per switching to running free fits, that is also not a option. Like I said, im not a charity. Im not going to sit there and have a bad time sacrificing myself so that an opposing team that has already gone overboard on us can pad their numbers a little more. If groups of 6 people have gone around and shut down my logistics activities enough to the point that im redlined, theres no way im going to reward them with a bunch of easy kills. im going to grab a sniper, find some nice peeking cover, and then im going to chip away and harass until the clock runs down.




Not everyone wants to be in a squad. Some people NEED to be in a squad because they need to order people around, or they need help. Thats not me. i can make my own choices, I can have my own victories. If theres any problem, its not too many solo players; Its too many corp players going into pub matches and treating it like its PC.

Dust is supposed to be about mercenaries. Thats what i am. Im not a privateer, im not a grunt in someones private militia...I work by myself, for myself. When im fulfilling a public or a factional contract, my focus is not on your game enjoyment anymore than your focus is on my enjoyment. My focus is on profitability, and im going to protect my bottom line. If that means I got to camp out in a safe zone with a inexpensive sniper fit, then so be it.

If you dont want me to have to do that, dont put be in a situation where it becomes the most viable choice.

Yeah, my team would certainly win more.

I could dislodge heavies easier allowing my ground units to push forward.

Outer.Heaven forbid your team is actually put at a disadvantage for not having at least one sniper.

People who always jump games are a major cause of this.

If CCP re-introduces Nade ganking we can punish people who sit back and snipe properly.

All in favor of bringing nade ganking back?

This attitude is one of the major issues with the game. Mercenaries are paid for successfully completing missions not to protect their profits. The very fact that you can hide in the red line and claim that you're a successful player is a major issue.

The entire reason that squad and group play is emphasized by the majority of veteran players is that it allows us to win battles and make profits. Even if your not a killer you end up making more profits when running with a group since you generally earn more wp supporting a squad and wp are tied to payouts.

Perhaps CCP needs to incentivize winning and being active over just being passive and/or loosing. Currently the ISK payout is dependent on the % of wp you earned for your team in addition to a base payout. I think this emphasis on WP for payouts really needs to be emphasized to stop pansies like LAVALLOIS Nash from hiding in the redline and continuing to call themselves successful let alone active participants. I'd like to see base payouts reduced to 50k isk and double the wp based payouts. That will give you an incentive to act.

To add some extra oomph to the whole hiding prevention issue the payouts should be switched from the current 60/40 payouts for winning vs loosing teams to 75/25. You want to hide and preserve your suit? Don't want to even try to win a battle.? You think by making what amounts to passive isk means your a great player? Fine, you should be rewarded in accordance with your contribution to making the battle fun for everyone, which means poorly.

Dont lie. The reason you vets squad up is because you are deficient in FPS gameplay and need all the help you can get. Been that way since the first day you logged in and got smashed. The only reason you are in a squad is because 1vs1 you get rolled so you need atleast 2vs1 or 3vs1 to make up for the lack of skill.



Well maybe if the battlefield wasn't full of little b****es like you who need to go around and have 6vs1 fights, I wouldn't have to start retreating halfway through the match. Maybe I don't want to sink down to your level. Maybe i just want to log in and play for a few hours without a videogame being my entire life. Not all of us live on welfare and play EVE and DUST all day building imaginary little empires. Some of us have to work to pay your benefits and food stamps.



Reduce my payout, and ill fight even less. Less reward = less risks taken. Simple economics. Not everyone had access to the Obamacare passive PC ISK handouts. Some of us had to actually earn our ISK instead of sucking someones **** to be part of an alliance that just collects welfare all day.
Maybe if you played the game for fun instead of playing for narcissistic intentions, you would actually have fun.



"Molon Labe" does sound like a bar you would find in the flamboyant part of town. I had my suspicions, thanks for confirming it.

Passive ISK is dead.

It is no longer available or exploitable. I have no idea how you profit from PC now with battles costing a corp 40m

LIES
give some district to a farm corp to attack you and no show make actually lots of isk, its even worst than the old system since corp need to have a lot of district to do this and the small corp even with district make nothing, lol thor im disapointing

I don't enjoy arguing, i prefer to discuss. It was fine until your corp mate rolled in and degraded the conversation into a petty tirade.

Look I don't enjoy redline sniping anymore than you enjoy having no one to shoot at. You have some crazy suggestions to fix what you perceive to be a problem. And i was pointing out that you aren't even fixing the problem, you are fixing a symptom of the problem. People dont go to the redline to make profit, they go to minimize further losses. They dont go as their first resort, it is most of the time, the last resort.

See you though, you just want to fix redline sniping without fixing the problem underlying it. Its a balance issue. You can put as many restrictions as you want on the redline, the problem will just migrate elsewhere. You kick everyone out of the redline...maybe they will just all pile into a DS and stay at the ceiling for awhile. People wont just give up, throw their hands in the air, and say "ok lets go and sacrifice ourselves repeatedly with free fits on so that Thor and his friends can have a good game". If they are avoiding you, they will find another way to.

Maybe you take a little initiative if you want to see something done. Dozens of people in this thread, including myself, have told you that redline snipers is the result of 1 team being vastly outgunned and outmatched, so they retreat. Maybe if you don't defeat your opposing team halfway through the match...you'll have people to play against all game.

As for myself, Im not hurting for ISK. I have a nice little pile I scrimped and saved up. But I got savings because I made choices to mitigate losses. If i played the game the way you want me to, I would have gone broke and quit a long time ago.



This made me laugh. Coming from a corp that always fights in squads, you're going to talk to me about "single combat"? You guys stomp newbs out of the academy while wearing proto, and you'll talk about "honor"? Your ideology does not match your actions.

I would accept your offer, but since you cant do anything without atleast 5 of your corpmates by your side, ill pass.
The day you are your own person and are able to stand on your own feet without 5 people propping you up each match, ill gladly take you up on that duel offer.