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LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:02:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:[
Snipers killing me aren't what I'm mad about. I'm mad about people not wanting to participate in matches. I don't know you, you can hate me. Just as you've admitting sniping isn't good for anything but making matches boring.
People get fed up of being stomped by 6 man corp squads so they gradually spend the whole game retreating till they get their backs against the wall.
I spend alot of the game pushing, but me too after a certain point, ill say **** it and grab a sniper and play defensive from the red line. What choice to I have? I cant afford to constantly lose suits. Once ive lost my acceptable limit, then all I care about is the clock running down. Im not a damn charity. |
LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.08.17 18:41:00 -
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Snake Sellors wrote:
unfortunately this is one of our main problems.
your choices are limited i'm affraid they are: go red line sniping. which does increase the problem run free suits, if your already being killed to that extent it won't matter about using worse gear. (unless you care about kdr) or leave battle and try to find a better match.
Well if I leave I wont get paid, so thats not an option. As per switching to running free fits, that is also not a option. Like I said, im not a charity. Im not going to sit there and have a bad time sacrificing myself so that an opposing team that has already gone overboard on us can pad their numbers a little more. If groups of 6 people have gone around and shut down my logistics activities enough to the point that im redlined, theres no way im going to reward them with a bunch of easy kills. im going to grab a sniper, find some nice peeking cover, and then im going to chip away and harass until the clock runs down.
Thor Odinson42 wrote:
And here is the honesty.
What the others have failed to admit is, "I want to play solo and when I do I get stomped, so I end up sniping". This statement is not going to capture every person for sure, I've known some great snipers. But let's not ignore the issue, Dust has too many solo players. When solo players face squads and they aren't phenomenal, exceptional, far from the norm, spectacular, not the people sure to respond here that go 68-0 every match in militia sniper setups, they quit very early in the match if they ever really begin.
You can call it matchmaking, but there are a LOT of 20+ SP solo players that check who they are up against and resort to passive redline sniping. We can debate whether or not they are just playing an FPS game to check out the scenery of if perhaps better payouts or some some other incentives might improve the experience for people that turn on FPS games to participate in something other than World of Sniping.
I would rather them give back free LAVs and make them capable of murder taxi of old. Something to shoot at would be nice. Something for the pacifist blueberries who are opposed to using guns can do that might at least accidentally every now and then almost annoy the enemy team for a few milliseconds.
Not everyone wants to be in a squad. Some people NEED to be in a squad because they need to order people around, or they need help. Thats not me. i can make my own choices, I can have my own victories. If theres any problem, its not too many solo players; Its too many corp players going into pub matches and treating it like its PC.
Dust is supposed to be about mercenaries. Thats what i am. Im not a privateer, im not a grunt in someones private militia...I work by myself, for myself. When im fulfilling a public or a factional contract, my focus is not on your game enjoyment anymore than your focus is on my enjoyment. My focus is on profitability, and im going to protect my bottom line. If that means I got to camp out in a safe zone with a inexpensive sniper fit, then so be it.
If you dont want me to have to do that, dont put be in a situation where it becomes the most viable choice.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.08.18 03:58:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:
The entire reason that squad and group play is emphasized by the majority of veteran players is that it allows us to win battles and make profits. Even if your not a killer you end up making more profits when running with a group since you generally earn more wp supporting a squad and wp are tied to payouts.
Dont lie. The reason you vets squad up is because you are deficient in FPS gameplay and need all the help you can get. Been that way since the first day you logged in and got smashed. The only reason you are in a squad is because 1vs1 you get rolled so you need atleast 2vs1 or 3vs1 to make up for the lack of skill.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Perhaps CCP needs to incentivize winning and being active over just being passive and/or loosing. Currently the ISK payout is dependent on the % of wp you earned for your team in addition to a base payout. I think this emphasis on WP for payouts really needs to be emphasized to stop pansies like LAVALLOIS Nash from hiding in the redline and continuing to call themselves successful let alone active participants.
Well maybe if the battlefield wasn't full of little b****es like you who need to go around and have 6vs1 fights, I wouldn't have to start retreating halfway through the match. Maybe I don't want to sink down to your level. Maybe i just want to log in and play for a few hours without a videogame being my entire life. Not all of us live on welfare and play EVE and DUST all day building imaginary little empires. Some of us have to work to pay your benefits and food stamps.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:To add some extra oomph to the whole hiding prevention issue the payouts should be switched from the current 60/40 payouts for winning vs loosing teams to 75/25. You want to hide and preserve your suit? Don't want to even try to win a battle.? You think by making what amounts to passive isk means your a great player? Fine, you should be rewarded in accordance with your contribution to making the battle fun for everyone, which means poorly.
Reduce my payout, and ill fight even less. Less reward = less risks taken. Simple economics. Not everyone had access to the Obamacare passive PC ISK handouts. Some of us had to actually earn our ISK instead of sucking someones **** to be part of an alliance that just collects welfare all day. Maybe if you played the game for fun instead of playing for narcissistic intentions, you would actually have fun.
Thor Odinson42 wrote: You gave me wood with this proposal.
"Molon Labe" does sound like a bar you would find in the flamboyant part of town. I had my suspicions, thanks for confirming it. |
LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.08.18 21:33:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
You seem like a dude who just likes to argue.
If you are as good as you insinuate then you'd be making more, not less.
I don't enjoy arguing, i prefer to discuss. It was fine until your corp mate rolled in and degraded the conversation into a petty tirade.
Look I don't enjoy redline sniping anymore than you enjoy having no one to shoot at. You have some crazy suggestions to fix what you perceive to be a problem. And i was pointing out that you aren't even fixing the problem, you are fixing a symptom of the problem. People dont go to the redline to make profit, they go to minimize further losses. They dont go as their first resort, it is most of the time, the last resort.
See you though, you just want to fix redline sniping without fixing the problem underlying it. Its a balance issue. You can put as many restrictions as you want on the redline, the problem will just migrate elsewhere. You kick everyone out of the redline...maybe they will just all pile into a DS and stay at the ceiling for awhile. People wont just give up, throw their hands in the air, and say "ok lets go and sacrifice ourselves repeatedly with free fits on so that Thor and his friends can have a good game". If they are avoiding you, they will find another way to.
Maybe you take a little initiative if you want to see something done. Dozens of people in this thread, including myself, have told you that redline snipers is the result of 1 team being vastly outgunned and outmatched, so they retreat. Maybe if you don't defeat your opposing team halfway through the match...you'll have people to play against all game.
As for myself, Im not hurting for ISK. I have a nice little pile I scrimped and saved up. But I got savings because I made choices to mitigate losses. If i played the game the way you want me to, I would have gone broke and quit a long time ago.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:
You'll notice I'm discussing proper dueling proceedure since I am more than confident that an ignoramus like yourself will have no understanding of the honorable art of single combat.
This made me laugh. Coming from a corp that always fights in squads, you're going to talk to me about "single combat"? You guys stomp newbs out of the academy while wearing proto, and you'll talk about "honor"? Your ideology does not match your actions.
I would accept your offer, but since you cant do anything without atleast 5 of your corpmates by your side, ill pass. The day you are your own person and are able to stand on your own feet without 5 people propping you up each match, ill gladly take you up on that duel offer. |
LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.08.19 03:02:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:
A long time ago I called upon CCP to base WP rewards on metalevel differences; higher rewards would be given to people who kill mercs with a higher total meta level and fewer points would be given to people who use lower meta level gear. While this system is not and never will be put into place there is a small similarity in the current form of the game. Players who run high level gear have much higher potential losses. If I run in my proto logi I am looking at almost 200k isk for loosing the suit. A starter fit on the other hand is free. A group of players in poor gear can, and should, feel successful when they kill a player stomping about in their shiny black suit. They will have cost that player a ton of money while loosing none themselves, regardless of how many times they die.
Alright, now we are getting somewhere. I dont agree with everything, but yeah, the risk/reward structure is broken.
Mobius Kaethis wrote: Sniping is boring. It is the equivalent of clicking on an icon that moves around a bit. Actually attacking though, hunting, that takes tactics, communication, team work, and has a huge risk reward all of which leads to more fun.
I started sniping not long after i started playing. Mostly so I could learn the maps. Eventually I migrated onto better roles, but I still have the sniper stuff I speced into, and I still have a relatively good sniper fit to use should I feel the need to.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:
You have forsaken the rules of dueling which I expect from one of your ilk but your impropriety will not save your dignity. Your words are nothing short of an acceptance to my challenge.
The Duel Has Been Accepted Now the Terms Will Be Set Time: 11:30 pm west coast US time Place: # sand castles channel Weapon: Nova Knives Duration: To the death of the first clone
Show your self and prove you're more than just a waste of space, or hide and prove all the rest of us correct.
I accept, but I cant make it tonight. Its 11pm my time, and its a Monday night. I gotta be up at 6am. If you guys can come up with an earlier time in my zone during the week or save it for the weekend, ill show up. I got no second though, as you know, i work alone.
Thor Odinson42 wrote:
We can make this happen.
Add #Sand Castles, I'll set up a thunderdome on one of our districts. We have multiple dudes who can record the 1v1s in spectator like mode to show it's fair. What roles do you play? I'll see who'd be interested. I'll even make it risk free. I'll cover your losses and I'll give you 20 mil ISK for each dude you beat in a best of 5.
I'm not the greatest slayer so most people can whip my ass. But in a squad providing support I'm pretty good. You need both in a team based game. I'll never apologize for my corp being good in squads, you sound like a fool insinuating that is a bad thing.
Ill 1vs1 everyone in your corp if you want, as long as you guarantee everything is 1vs1. No guarantees Ill do well though, I mostly do logi stuff ingame. Uplinks, nanohives, anti vehicle traps, anti ADS fire, ect. I find a flank or fight that needs shoring up and provide the necessities. i can do firefights, but often im outnumbered and then overwhelmed.
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Beyond his calling team play unfair (which I find hillarious) is that he assumes all of us have gotten payed just because our corps are active in PC. Clearly he has absolutely zero understanding of general corp mechanics or the fact that only a few corps payed stipends (when passive isk from PC was a thing) and even then they really only payed their top players. Most of the rank and file of those corps got nothing from the passive isk.
I would also like to point out that Molon did not pay its players stipends and probably never will.
Nash...Hey Nash...your ignorance is showing again. You had better cover it up with another boring rant that makes you seem like a tantrum-ing two year old.
Thats kind of a delayed reply, but alright. I can tell I struck a nerve. Thats good though, atleast you're paying attention now.
Reschedule that duel, ill show up, you and your corp will probably diss me, ill probably lose a few duels and get laughed at, but whatever, thats what gamer beef is all about. Ill spec into nova knives for the occasion. |
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