Dust skill level is at a pathetically low level. Like terrible. It's one thing if solid players knock out some matches solo.

It's quite another when every match has 5-10 NPC noobs solo that are derping around. Sprinkle in the dudes who play Dust to try and save up a trillion ISK without ever squading up or having a bullet come out the end of their gun and it makes for a pathetic experience.

unfortunately this is one of our main problems.

your choices are limited i'm affraid they are:
go red line sniping. which does increase the problem
run free suits, if your already being killed to that extent it won't matter about using worse gear. (unless you care about kdr)
or leave battle and try to find a better match.

And here is the honesty.

What the others have failed to admit is, "I want to play solo and when I do I get stomped, so I end up sniping". This statement is not going to capture every person for sure, I've known some great snipers. But let's not ignore the issue, Dust has too many solo players. When solo players face squads and they aren't phenomenal, exceptional, far from the norm, spectacular, not the people sure to respond here that go 68-0 every match in militia sniper setups, they quit very early in the match if they ever really begin.

You can call it matchmaking, but there are a LOT of 20+ SP solo players that check who they are up against and resort to passive redline sniping. We can debate whether or not they are just playing an FPS game to check out the scenery of if perhaps better payouts or some some other incentives might improve the experience for people that turn on FPS games to participate in something other than World of Sniping.

I would rather them give back free LAVs and make them capable of murder taxi of old. Something to shoot at would be nice. Something for the pacifist blueberries who are opposed to using guns can do that might at least accidentally every now and then almost annoy the enemy team for a few milliseconds.

Well if I leave I wont get paid, so thats not an option.

Honestly I'd like to see incentives for people to squad up and fight.

If it's more ISK, leadership skills for squad boosts, something. But any further boost to range weapons of any type will only compound the passive, risk averse tendencies that plague Dust at the moment.

More moving turrets that aren't in tactically important locations might help too.

Well if I leave I wont get paid, so thats not an option. As per switching to running free fits, that is also not a option. Like I said, im not a charity. Im not going to sit there and have a bad time sacrificing myself so that an opposing team that has already gone overboard on us can pad their numbers a little more. If groups of 6 people have gone around and shut down my logistics activities enough to the point that im redlined, theres no way im going to reward them with a bunch of easy kills. im going to grab a sniper, find some nice peeking cover, and then im going to chip away and harass until the clock runs down.




Not everyone wants to be in a squad. Some people NEED to be in a squad because they need to order people around, or they need help. Thats not me. i can make my own choices, I can have my own victories. If theres any problem, its not too many solo players; Its too many corp players going into pub matches and treating it like its PC.

Dust is supposed to be about mercenaries. Thats what i am. Im not a privateer, im not a grunt in someones private militia...I work by myself, for myself. When im fulfilling a public or a factional contract, my focus is not on your game enjoyment anymore than your focus is on my enjoyment. My focus is on profitability, and im going to protect my bottom line. If that means I got to camp out in a safe zone with a inexpensive sniper fit, then so be it.

If you dont want me to have to do that, dont put be in a situation where it becomes the most viable choice.

Yeah, my team would certainly win more.

I could dislodge heavies easier allowing my ground units to push forward.

Outer.Heaven forbid your team is actually put at a disadvantage for not having at least one sniper.

Dust is supposed to be about mercenaries. Thats what i am. Im not a privateer, im not a grunt in someones private militia...I work by myself, for myself. When im fulfilling a public or a factional contract, my focus is not on your game enjoyment anymore than your focus is on my enjoyment. My focus is on profitability, and im going to protect my bottom line. If that means I got to camp out in a safe zone with a inexpensive sniper fit, then so be it.

what will stop them from just stepping out and back into the redline? what about those long queues for vehicles?.. id much rater say if they kill some one from the redline they themselves are also forcibly suicided for not killing with in the "burn zone"

And give a timer for the friendly redline,

Thanks

You sound like someone who wants to face players of similar lethality alongside players of similar lethality.

Matchmaking will cause that.

Pubs used to be okay for some good games. Now I'm quitting multiple matches to find one good one.

It's like this: bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, good match, bad, bad, bad, good match almost over with, bad-forget this I'm doing something else.

People who always jump games are a major cause of this.

If CCP re-introduces Nade ganking we can punish people who sit back and snipe properly.

All in favor of bringing nade ganking back?

This attitude is one of the major issues with the game. Mercenaries are paid for successfully completing missions not to protect their profits. The very fact that you can hide in the red line and claim that you're a successful player is a major issue.

The entire reason that squad and group play is emphasized by the majority of veteran players is that it allows us to win battles and make profits. Even if your not a killer you end up making more profits when running with a group since you generally earn more wp supporting a squad and wp are tied to payouts.

Perhaps CCP needs to incentivize winning and being active over just being passive and/or loosing. Currently the ISK payout is dependent on the % of wp you earned for your team in addition to a base payout. I think this emphasis on WP for payouts really needs to be emphasized to stop pansies like LAVALLOIS Nash from hiding in the redline and continuing to call themselves successful let alone active participants. I'd like to see base payouts reduced to 50k isk and double the wp based payouts. That will give you an incentive to act.

To add some extra oomph to the whole hiding prevention issue the payouts should be switched from the current 60/40 payouts for winning vs loosing teams to 75/25. You want to hide and preserve your suit? Don't want to even try to win a battle.? You think by making what amounts to passive isk means your a great player? Fine, you should be rewarded in accordance with your contribution to making the battle fun for everyone, which means poorly.

The entire reason that squad and group play is emphasized by the majority of veteran players is that it allows us to win battles and make profits. Even if your not a killer you end up making more profits when running with a group since you generally earn more wp supporting a squad and wp are tied to payouts.

Perhaps CCP needs to incentivize winning and being active over just being passive and/or loosing. Currently the ISK payout is dependent on the % of wp you earned for your team in addition to a base payout. I think this emphasis on WP for payouts really needs to be emphasized to stop pansies like LAVALLOIS Nash from hiding in the redline and continuing to call themselves successful let alone active participants.

To add some extra oomph to the whole hiding prevention issue the payouts should be switched from the current 60/40 payouts for winning vs loosing teams to 75/25. You want to hide and preserve your suit? Don't want to even try to win a battle.? You think by making what amounts to passive isk means your a great player? Fine, you should be rewarded in accordance with your contribution to making the battle fun for everyone, which means poorly.

You gave me wood with this proposal.

Dont lie. The reason you vets squad up is because you are deficient in FPS gameplay and need all the help you can get. Been that way since the first day you logged in and got smashed. The only reason you are in a squad is because 1vs1 you get rolled so you need atleast 2vs1 or 3vs1 to make up for the lack of skill.



Well maybe if the battlefield wasn't full of little b****es like you who need to go around and have 6vs1 fights, I wouldn't have to start retreating halfway through the match. Maybe I don't want to sink down to your level. Maybe i just want to log in and play for a few hours without a videogame being my entire life. Not all of us live on welfare and play EVE and DUST all day building imaginary little empires. Some of us have to work to pay your benefits and food stamps.



Reduce my payout, and ill fight even less. Less reward = less risks taken. Simple economics. Not everyone had access to the Obamacare passive PC ISK handouts. Some of us had to actually earn our ISK instead of sucking someones **** to be part of an alliance that just collects welfare all day.
Maybe if you played the game for fun instead of playing for narcissistic intentions, you would actually have fun.



"Molon Labe" does sound like a bar you would find in the flamboyant part of town. I had my suspicions, thanks for confirming it.

Passive ISK is dead.

It is no longer available or exploitable. I have no idea how you profit from PC now with battles costing a corp 40m

You have to hold districts and you have to fight to make ISK. The players get the riches now instead of the corps and then throwing out salaries.

You can sell clones manually so it's still possible to make ISK from them as a corp.

LIES
give some district to a farm corp to attack you and no show make actually lots of isk, its even worst than the old system since corp need to have a lot of district to do this and the small corp even with district make nothing, lol thor im disapointing

Snipers killing me aren't what I'm mad about. I'm mad about people not wanting to participate in matches. I don't know you, you can hate me. Just as you've admitting sniping isn't good for anything but making matches boring.

I run proto in pubs, because I'm wasting my time and ruining my kd ratio otherwise.

Some people run pubs to make money.. (imagine that) but they sacrifice survivability in doing so..

I run proto in pubs, because I have enormous sums of money collecting dust.

Dont lie. The reason you vets squad up is because you are deficient in FPS gameplay and need all the help you can get. Been that way since the first day you logged in and got smashed. The only reason you are in a squad is because 1vs1 you get rolled so you need atleast 2vs1 or 3vs1 to make up for the lack of skill.



Well maybe if the battlefield wasn't full of little b****es like you who need to go around and have 6vs1 fights, I wouldn't have to start retreating halfway through the match. Maybe I don't want to sink down to your level. Maybe i just want to log in and play for a few hours without a videogame being my entire life. Not all of us live on welfare and play EVE and DUST all day building imaginary little empires. Some of us have to work to pay your benefits and food stamps.



Reduce my payout, and ill fight even less. Less reward = less risks taken. Simple economics. Not everyone had access to the Obamacare passive PC ISK handouts. Some of us had to actually earn our ISK instead of sucking someones **** to be part of an alliance that just collects welfare all day.
Maybe if you played the game for fun instead of playing for narcissistic intentions, you would actually have fun.



"Molon Labe" does sound like a bar you would find in the flamboyant part of town. I had my suspicions, thanks for confirming it.