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PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:09:00 - [1] - Quote You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 241	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:13:00 - [2] - Quote Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. Why?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:14:00 - [3] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 840	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:14:00 - [4] - Quote I think they should have just nerfed rep tool WP and CUT ALL WP REWARDS by at least 66% while counterbalancing the ISK rewards. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 452	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:16:00 - [5] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? 6 people in squad.. 5000 points needed 5000/6=833.33 if you scrubs cannot get 833 points each your severely lacking somewhere. on a good day on long duration maps i can get like 2500+ myself if i #TryHard BUT in my reply to charlie release notes i did mention perhaps only 3000-4000 points trial to see how it goes [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1835	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:17:00 - [6] - Quote Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2791	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:17:00 - [7] - Quote Well I agree that it needed to be increased, though 5000 is probably pretty excessive. Also, I thought Warbarge OBs were disabled in FW so the only OB support you get is from EVE pilots, who's OBs are set to the timer, and not tied to WP? I could be wrong on that though.
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1012	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:17:00 - [8] - Quote I think it should be dependent on how many people are in your squad... 1 - 1500 WP 2 - 2200 WP 3 - 2900 WP 4 - 3600 WP 5 - 4300 WP 6 - 5000 WP aight?
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 65	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:19:00 - [9] - Quote 3750 would have pulled it back into line with the old 4 merc squads. But the sledge hammer approach is how stuff gets adjusted. Turrets have 10,000 armour now too. LOL
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:20:00 - [10] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change. yes, yes it is. 800 WP is just 16 kills to us, ****, i can get triple that if I cared too in one game, but publics aren't us or forum posters. I've been playing this game for 2 years, they suck. Most games people are not making over 830 WP on average.

aaaasdff ertgfdd 208	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:21:00 - [11] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:22:00 - [12] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 208	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:24:00 - [13] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever. It is your opinion. When you get to be as good as me at pc or pubs I, will leave....... Balancing around public matches is how its done in gaming. Get a clue, then get good. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:26:00 - [14] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Why?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:27:00 - [15] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever. It is your opinion. When you get to be as good as me at pc or pubs I, will leave....... Balancing around public matches is how its done in gaming. Get a clue, then get good. And now you know why most games are bad, later. o/
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 423	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:28:00 - [16] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change. yes, yes it is. 800 WP is just 16 kills to us, ****, i can get triple that if I cared too in one game, but publics aren't us or forum posters. I've been playing this game for 2 years, they suck. Most games people are not making over 830 WP on average. Oh brother.....just cuz u had a bad game?....it's not that hard to get an on with a 6 man squad.....I average 1000 wp a game off of 7-30k suits Master of The Flaylock
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:28:00 - [17] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Are you saying you think on there level? I don't know why you'd be insulting yourself like that, but, uh, cool. :3
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:29:00 - [18] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change. yes, yes it is. 800 WP is just 16 kills to us, ****, i can get triple that if I cared too in one game, but publics aren't us or forum posters. I've been playing this game for 2 years, they suck. Most games people are not making over 830 WP on average. Oh brother.....just cuz u had a bad game?....it's not that hard to get an on with a 6 man squad.....I average 1000 wp a game off of 7-30k suits I had a bad game? You must be new to the forums. Or maybe I spent too much time in the War Room? Lol
aaaasdff ertgfdd 208	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:31:00 - [19] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever. It is your opinion. When you get to be as good as me at pc or pubs I, will leave....... Balancing around public matches is how its done in gaming. Get a clue, then get good. And now you know why most games are bad, later. o/ Lolz, most games are bad? Dude you are bad. I like most games including Dust, you have the problem, you find another game. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Cody Sietz Evzones 3835	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:31:00 - [20] - Quote Can confirm pheonix federation just dropped 2. Me and my buddy would have earned 1. Our team earned nothing. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12862	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:32:00 - [21] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? WP mean nothing in FW. We get our drops every 3 Mins. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 455	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:33:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well I agree that it needed to be increased, though 5000 is probably pretty excessive. Also, I thought Warbarge OBs were disabled in FW so the only OB support you get is from EVE pilots, who's OBs are set to the timer, and not tied to WP? I could be wrong on that though. the timer is set to the pilot in eve.. iv seen faggots in eve multiboxing like 10+ destroyers just sat there laying down a near constant stream of orbitals... Till his fleet was Disco'd by a Suprise ******* smartbombing battleship that warped ontop of him [LogiBro in Training]** channel: BP SQUAD
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:33:00 - [23] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Are you saying you think on there level? I don't know why you'd be insulting yourself like that, but, uh, cool. :3 No im saying exactly what ccp said. If you paid attention they said "it shouldn't be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an orbital". But im sorry that i pay attention. Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:35:00 - [24] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well I agree that it needed to be increased, though 5000 is probably pretty excessive. Also, I thought Warbarge OBs were disabled in FW so the only OB support you get is from EVE pilots, who's OBs are set to the timer, and not tied to WP? I could be wrong on that though. the timer is set to the pilot in eve.. iv seen faggots in eve multiboxing like 10+ destroyers just sat there laying down a near constant stream of orbitals... Till his fleet was Disco'd by a Suprise ********* smartbombing battleship that warped ontop of him That What the french video showed them dropping consfant orbitals for like 7 minutes. Why?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:36:00 - [25] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Are you saying you think on there level? I don't know why you'd be insulting yourself like that, but, uh, cool. :3 No im saying exactly what ccp said. If you paid attention they said "it shouldn't be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an orbital". But im sorry that i pay attention. Yes, I know there excuse, but not the real reasoning. Saying it's just to prevent it doesn't support why. I want them to explain to us that the average player WP gain supports this high level of WP needed for OB. There must be a logical reason why 5000 was the number they choose.
Michael Arck 5212	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:37:00 - [26] - Quote Where have you been when they were discussing this? GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears motivate the changes. You gotta start speaking out more. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:37:00 - [27] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: And now you know why most games are bad, later. o/ Lolz, most games are bad? Dude you are bad. I like most games including Dust, you have the problem, you find another game. Lolz, you're easily pleased, good for you. But Quality > Quantity.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:39:00 - [28] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Where have you been when they were discussing this? GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears motivate the changes. You gotta start speaking out more. I gave up on GD a long time ago - but listening to people praise this patch made me come back for a bit.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 383	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:41:00 - [29] - Quote CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT wrote: 3750 would have pulled it back into line with the old 4 merc squads. But the sledge hammer approach is how stuff gets adjusted. Turrets have 10,000 armour now too. LOL I watched a blaster turret kill a sica today. Turrets actually wreck tanks now if they get too close to them since they can't possibly out damage them like they used too. It takes my ishokune assault forge about 8 shots to kill a turret now. Add to the fact that the rail turrets AI still can insta gib you while your forging them and it is quite terrifying.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3770	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:45:00 - [30] - Quote FW doesnt require WP for an OB The EVE pilot has to wait at a button for the timer to go down, then a squad leader can call in an EVE OB, after the OB is called the timer restarts As for OB changes meh tbh, it will become a rare thing but most games are a redline either way and i dont care about pubs

Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1035	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:49:00 - [31] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I think you hit the nail on the head, proto squads will be dropping 2 OB's a game instead of 5, this does not hurt newer players. Because, that's why.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:50:00 - [32] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I think you hit the nail on the head, proto squads will be dropping 2 OB's a game instead of 5, this does not hurt newer players. Who will have 0 OB's to counter with. You're right, doesn't effect them at all. It just goes from getting OB's 5 times and returning 2, to getting OB'd 3 times and returning none. Guess which situation is worse? Not too mention, less fun? EDIT: Also, it's 2 ob's PER proto squad, not just per game. ;)
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek 65	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:51:00 - [33] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Where have you been when they were discussing this? GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears motivate the changes. You gotta start speaking out more. Speaking out usually does nothing. Unless there is a massive outcry, (really massive) like with the amaar logi sidearm removal, by the time the proposals hit the forums the decision is usually already made. Don't kid yourself that logical and rational opposition to bad ideas has much impact on their implementation.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 383	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:55:00 - [34] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? But CCP doesn't really care about the community. I mean if they did, they wouldn't screw us out of our choices every patch and be smug about it. Seriously go read the hotfix charlie notes last bit... Logibro/Rattatai just wanted to rub in how dickish they are about serendipity the game.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:07:00 - [35] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? we have been getting an average of 2 OBs a game now not a big deal. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:13:00 - [36] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? we have been getting an average of 2 OBs a game now not a big deal. Yea... if you read OP it states proto squads would be earning around that much each, while pub squads get 0 - which is where the problem lays. You're taking content away from the public squads.
taxi bastard uptown456 Dark Taboo 201	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:36:00 - [37] - Quote really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1778	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:38:00 - [38] - Quote FW obs aren't earned from wp. My squad which usually gets 6 obs now gets 3 on a good game, I'd say that gives them more of a chance. Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:40:00 - [39] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now?
aaaasdff ertgfdd 209	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:43:00 - [40] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5688	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:44:00 - [41] - Quote I have a gun that fires orbital. CPM privileges 'n all that.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 420	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:46:00 - [42] - Quote "Stay on Target!" 5000 WPs is ridiculous for OB gain in pub matches. Nothing more and nothing less. I guess CCP cares alot
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:47:00 - [43] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? Are you guys new to the forums? You're no where near my level. If I wanted to see your whole squad in the red-line I'd put them there hard and enjoy the tears. I speak for the people who can't do this, who don't have my SP and knowledge of this game, but just want to enjoy this game casually. Now get off your high horse you scrub,.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:48:00 - [44] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I have a gun that fires orbital. CPM privileges 'n all that. I fire OB's from sprinting. Imp hacks and all that.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1121	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:58:00 - [45] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? we have been getting an average of 2 OBs a game now not a big deal. Yea... if you read OP it states proto squads would be earning around that much each, while pub squads get 0 - which is where the problem lays. You're taking content away from the public squads. whats a public squad KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
aaaasdff ertgfdd 209	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:01:00 - [46] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? Are you guys new to the forums? You're no where near my level. If I wanted to see your whole squad in the red-line I'd put them there hard and enjoy the tears. I speak for the people who can't do this, who don't have my SP and knowledge of this game, but just want to enjoy this game casually. Now get off your high horse you scrub,. Lolz youd put me in the redline? *** please.... Are you new to, Dust? the forums. You are ok,, but ive seen you leave matches when you get owned. You might have been good in old Dust, but to me you aint ** in todays Dust. You might have been good back when Eve nerds like Jenza won dust tournaments and that was the level of competition here, noob we are true shooters, from 25 years of fps play, I got 60 mil sp, anything you put on the field ill put down better. Bring that sh11ty sentinel you run so I can make you quit, AGAIN....... INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 517	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:21:00 - [47] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? Are you guys new to the forums? You're no where near my level. If I wanted to see your whole squad in the red-line I'd put them there hard and enjoy the tears. I speak for the people who can't do this, who don't have my SP and knowledge of this game, but just want to enjoy this game casually. Now get off your high horse you scrub,. Lolz youd put me in the redline? *** please.... Are you new to, Dust? the forums. You are ok,, but ive seen you leave matches when you get owned. You might have been good in old Dust, but to me you aint ** in todays Dust. You might have been good back when Eve nerds like Jenza won dust tournaments and that was the level of competition here, noob we are true shooters, from 25 years of fps play, I got 60 mil sp, anything you put on the field ill put down better. Bring that sh11ty sentinel you run so I can make you quit, AGAIN....... Liar. I am one person in this entire game who will go 0/20 happily if my side is doing that badly, I don't care. I only leave to go pick up more squad mates, and that's it. Not that anyone can get to me if i cared to actually play. If you're going to lie do it else where, I don't have time for your stupid non-sense. Especially the part about you being any good - no need to make the lies so obvious.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 209	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:26:00 - [48] - Quote Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 422	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:29:00 - [49] - Quote Gentlemen, lets have a clean fight and remember to protect yourself at all times. Now lets get it on!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 518	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:35:00 - [50] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Oh yay, another scrub on the forums trying to prove his biased opinion has meaning through 1v1's in a team based game. Am I supposed to accept? Should I go rushing on right now so you can prove yourself? Or, should I not care like I already do? People know I'm good, they don't know you're good, you'll just have to deal with that. :) SoTa PoP my main - if you ever see me on LOL feel free to challenge me again, sure as hell aint logging on so you can let go of your rage of sucking on the forums, lol. And if you want recordings of me there's tons of them - it's called PC games. There's videos of me rocking house and sucking it up. Good games and bad - because I've been here competing in PC since the first day it dropped and arguably have been in more PC's then most current players. GOML

aaaasdff ertgfdd 210	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:39:00 - [51] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Oh yay, another scrub on the forums trying to prove his biased opinion has meaning through 1v1's in a team based game. Am I supposed to accept? Should I go rushing on right now so you can prove yourself? Or, should I not care like I already do? People know I'm good, they don't know you're good, you'll just have to deal with that. :) SoTa PoP my main - if you ever see me on LOL feel free to challenge me again, sure as hell aint logging on so you can let go of your rage of sucking on the forums, lol. And if you want recordings of me there's tons of them - it's called PC games. There's videos of me rocking house and sucking it up. Good games and bad - because I've been here competing in PC since the first day it dropped and arguably have been in more PC's then most current players. GOML I figured youd be sucking it up, you seem like that type. I also figured you would cop deuces, like a boy..... When you get some nutz, besides the ones in your face, let a real mtherfcker, know... INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 423	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:41:00 - [52] - Quote This bacon cheddar flavored popcorn is definitely OP. Continue please...
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 518	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:45:00 - [53] - Quote Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:48:00 - [54] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 247	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:50:00 - [55] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? Why?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 519	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:51:00 - [56] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? n-no... >_>;;
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5689	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:54:00 - [57] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? n-no... >_>;; Don't give in, its Logibro's alt tryin' to get you to confess!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 519	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:56:00 - [58] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? n-no... >_>;; Don't give in, its Logibro's alt tryin' to get you to confess! Row Row! FIGHT THE POWA!!~!!
Cass Caul 577	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:03:00 - [59] - Quote SoTa is a Scrub. He quits mid-match allll the time. Sniff He even leaves squad and stops talking for a few minutes, so lonely Sniff Oh. wait. That's a disconnect, not a rage-quit. lol, seriously, where do people come up with this stuff. On a more serious note, Game was: My squad of 6 and 10 randoms vs Alldin, CUBS, Maki, Sponge and 2 kids I've never heard of and 10 randoms basically, these two squads were all that mattered that match. The other 20 people were cannon fodder for kill counts and WP farming. I mean, 1 guy from my squad rage-quit the match and 2 guys were so demoralized after the match they just stopped playing for the night. What was it like for those other people? I'm gonna guess, not so fun. The other team got 2 OBs, my squad got 1. -I had a blast. Killed sponge with an SR, Alldin tried to counter-snipe. I got 2 headshots in a row on him and he survived because SR damage is pitiful and he was in a Cal-Sent, I raged a bit then swapped to Min-Scout with Plasma Cannon and Nova Knives. Almost got Maki with a PLC (so close! but some random got me first). - But yeah, those other randoms could have gotten an orbital. It's a real shame with what they've done. It really set the bar to a point where only people running ADV/PRO Support or proto stomping 6-person squads of close-knit teams can get them. And worse, those teams can usually get 2 OBs a match. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2996	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:06:00 - [60] - Quote I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 528	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:08:00 - [61] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. All this post says is that the topic isn't interesting enough to you to get involved in to understand in detail. Why did you even bother posting? And are you claiming the squads your in also have never dropped an OB?
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 Dark Taboo 51	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:20:00 - [62] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. My first solo OB was early 1.7 in a basic gal scout with a basic breach shotty and basic knives w/ a compact nano hive... dies alot but still worth it XD Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:24:00 - [63] - Quote You remember the slayer logi days? Man, I was getting more OBs than grandma getting action from grandpa
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 Dark Taboo 51	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:26:00 - [64] - Quote Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 Dark Taboo 51	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:27:00 - [65] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: You remember the slayer logi days? Man, I was getting more OBs than grandma getting action from grandpa Please for the love of my stomach and tears never use that again!! Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:29:00 - [66] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see what you're saying but I think it just widens the gap between organized and disorganized. The 5000 WPs were implemented to slow down OBs from better players wrecking weaker players. The adverse effect is, better players can still get 5000 WPs while weaker players won't even have a prayer to get up to 5000 WPs per squad. Should we care bear just to make things simpler for the novice? I think not Dr. Watson.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 528	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:31:00 - [67] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see your point - it does - i just don't trust anyone will actually reach out to each other to improve and want to grow in this game. How often do you see new talent enter PC and actually do well? It just doesn't happen, no one is involved enough to want to grow to that level starting from scratch when people like me are running around with nearly 40mil SP spamming Gunlogis, Pythons, and full proto suits, and with more ISK then I can spend. The lack of newbie guidance to explain the HUD or how to even use vehicles and OB's makes the learning curve all the harder on the newer guys, and now they've lost more ability to compete. I think the hit this does to the new players is a bit much. Really needs to be reduced by at least 1000 WP
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:38:00 - [68] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: I think it should be dependent on how many people are in your squad... 1 - 1500 WP 2 - 2200 WP 3 - 2900 WP 4 - 3600 WP 5 - 4300 WP 6 - 5000 WP aight? I agree with this post. It is rational, concise, deliberate and makes me think of dropping one man orbitals as a logi every minute. Thumbs up, even though Pure Evil is **** and I will drop bombs on G man everytime I see him no matter what. Because, integrity.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11404	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:08:00 - [69] - Quote It should be noted, that less Warbarge Strikes being deployed means less opportunities to get rid of Tower Campers and other units entrenched on a tower, such as Forge Gunners. I believe that a squad getting 6-10 Warbarge Strikes in one game was excessive, but I wonder if the amount of WP required for an OB can be changed for each game-mode. Also, CCP removed Warbarge Strikes from FW when 1.7 dropped. The only way to obtain one is with an EVE Pilot. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
aaaasdff ertgfdd 211	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:26:00 - [70] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see what you're saying but I think it just widens the gap between organized and disorganized. The 5000 WPs were implemented to slow down OBs from better players wrecking weaker players. The adverse effect is, better players can still get 5000 WPs while weaker players won't even have a prayer to get up to 5000 WPs per squad. Should we care bear just to make things simpler for the novice? I think not Dr. Watson. Doesnt matter, weaker players were probably never in a sqd anyway, all this does is help keep them from getting farmed by one dude with an ob. This was discussed for months. Its done, let it go. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

aaaasdff ertgfdd 211	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:28:00 - [71] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. All this post says is that the topic isn't interesting enough to you to get involved in to understand in detail. Why did you even bother posting? And are you claiming the squads your in also have never dropped an OB? The guy who never plays tells the guy who does play he doesnt understand. I think you better stick to the forums. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 529	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:28:00 - [72] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see what you're saying but I think it just widens the gap between organized and disorganized. The 5000 WPs were implemented to slow down OBs from better players wrecking weaker players. The adverse effect is, better players can still get 5000 WPs while weaker players won't even have a prayer to get up to 5000 WPs per squad. Should we care bear just to make things simpler for the novice? I think not Dr. Watson. Doesnt matter, weaker players were probably never in a sqd anyway, all this does is help keep them from getting farmed by one dude with an ob. This was discussed for months. Its done, let it go. Apperently only idiots discussed it. What you're taking from them is being able to compete and adapt on the battlefield, now they have to take things a step further to compete AS A CASUAL in a CASUAL GAME. That is not acceptable by any means, and whoever "discussed" this these past months should feel bad.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:29:00 - [73] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. All this post says is that the topic isn't interesting enough to you to get involved in to understand in detail. Why did you even bother posting? And are you claiming the squads your in also have never dropped an OB? The guy who never plays tells the guy who does play he doesnt understand. I think you better stick to the forums. I think you better stick to your loud mouth - I have more game time then you easily. I could take a years vacation and still know more. Goml scrub.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 211	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:34:00 - [74] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:37:00 - [75] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time.
aaaasdff ertgfdd 211	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:40:00 - [76] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time. Im not in a corp nub, I merc. For whomever drops the isk. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:43:00 - [77] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time. Im not in a corp nub, I merc. For whomever drops the isk. Rofl, then for damn sure you'll never be in any of my games. No one hires no name scrubs to fight for them in PC, lol.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1779	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:50:00 - [78] - Quote OH MY GOD i actually have to use teamwork and my brain to earn an OB. Though i bet some peope can earn that solo. This should make ambush and dom more interesting. PSN Sil4ntChaozz We will have serious issues if you group me in with THEM Anything you can do a NINJA can do better
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 58	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:50:00 - [79] - Quote As I said before, 5000wp is far too high of a number. All it does is remove orbitals from the hands of people who don't run with full squads, and marginally slow down the people who were already getting 3/4 orbitals a match.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 2123	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:09:00 - [80] - Quote It was meant to keep squads from dropping multiple Ob's do to them farming WP. It was not all squads it was only a few. Yes you are right it is very difficult for newer players. Sorry but that is how it is in Dust. A few ruin it for the most. Can the other voices in other peoples minds hear my voices in my head????

Cass Caul 580	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:37:00 - [81] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time. Im not in a corp nub, I merc. For whomever drops the isk. Rofl, then for damn sure you'll never be in any of my games. No one hires no name scrubs to fight for them in PC, lol. No one hires anyone, if you're lucky you get compensated for losses. It is an honor to fight with SoTa that's your payment alone. Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 404	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:41:00 - [82] - Quote eve ob's are much different to point accumulated OB's. orbitals form pilots don't require wp but are deployed after a certain amount of time the pilots ship stays in orbit for a certan length of time. roughly every 2 minutes an eve pilot can deploy an orbital on to a requested postion. this timer is also shortened via squad wp accumulation. once the ob is deployed the timer resets. this is only avalible in faction warfare and is working as intended. now. back when OBs were 2500 wp. it was possible for 2man or even 1 man squads to obtain OB's very easly. and when you get a squad of 6 people with say roughly 1500 to 2000 wp each the orbiatlas just rain down. and makes it near impossible for the opposing team to do anything without being nuked to oblivion. NOW we have ob's that require 5k wp which I belive is a good thing. instead of just 2 people getting the OB virtually the entire squad must pitch in to accurie it and now requires that the ob be placed TACTICALLY and be thought through to make that effort worth it, so all in all this just requires teamwork to accomplish and pull off. I like this new ob system and methods of accuirment. working as intended. I played a match last night in my blaster madruagar that is now actually capable of hitting things givein I control it properly. our team was being obliterated on foot. but my maddy was turing the tide. blueberrys plus dquad made a push for objective all in one big clump. enemy team had roughly 7k wp total.....now they deploy an ob....but not on the blueberrys...but my madrugar and it compeltley and uterlly missed my madruarg by a fair margin. (yay for compelx nitro's) the ob hit nothing and didn't kill anything and practically cost the enemy team a win. never saw another ob again. not many teams or squads can achive 10k wp. as far as iam concerned. the new OB wp requirement is a good thing as it prevents any team from spamming oribtals and gurrenteing victory. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Cass Caul 580	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:41:00 - [83] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: You remember the slayer logi days? Man, I was getting more OBs than grandma getting action from grandpa I'm in an armor tanked suit, you're in an armor tanked suit. Why the hell should I be using my AR when I can use CR/RR !? That's why my Logi suits were slayer logi suits right up until today. Now the sheer increase in HP is good enough to make up for the hole caused by me not fitting my suit like an idiot. Logi suits need more HP! It add survivability! I need that so I can heal people! It has nothing to do with making it better at slaying when I rock a Logi gk.0 with a Rail Rifle Math is easy, you're just stupid. The Empress of Alts
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:42:00 - [84] - Quote On second thought, considering that I, alone, achieved 2500+ WP in the last few matches I was in 5000 for an orbital seems like a great change. It gives people an incentive to squad up, and at less than 1000 WP needed by your squad members it is easily accomplished.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 404	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:43:00 - [85] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well I agree that it needed to be increased, though 5000 is probably pretty excessive. Also, I thought Warbarge OBs were disabled in FW so the only OB support you get is from EVE pilots, who's OBs are set to the timer, and not tied to WP? I could be wrong on that though. you are correct. pilot obs are set by timers however wp accumulation seems to shorten wait timer. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:45:00 - [86] - Quote It is a lot less frequent, but I still get contracts for ringing. I think the trick is just to be known for your role. I doubt there's many heavies left with my experience, so when a team is lacking a heavy they can count on I often get called upon over there own corp-mates who may not compete, as well. I ring for free, though. So that may be part of it, lol. :3 Honestly, though, ERA's been the only smart corp about ringing. They actually hired weaker ringers with no loyalties to corps to build that loyalty to them while training the 'ringers' in there ways. It was a genius method to recruit. Of course they'll join the corp fielding and training them and offering them more. I think the creativity in this game is dying, sometimes. :D
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 432	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:47:00 - [87] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: You remember the slayer logi days? Man, I was getting more OBs than grandma getting action from grandpa I'm in an armor tanked suit, you're in an armor tanked suit. Why the hell should I be using my AR when I can use CR/RR !? That's why my Logi suits were slayer logi suits right up until today. Now the sheer increase in HP is good enough to make up for the hole caused by me not fitting my suit like an idiot. Logi suits need more HP! It add survivability! I need that so I can heal people! It has nothing to do with making it better at slaying when I rock a Logi gk.0 with a Rail Rifle what the bloodclot are you talking about man?
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1123	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:47:00 - [88] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out and HMG the small amount of health he has left. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:48:00 - [89] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out a HMG the small amount of health he has left. I do it with a HAV these days, a Gunloggi with 6350 shields, proto rail, and a damage mod, lol. Good luck!!!! :)
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:48:00 - [90] - Quote New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest.

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7207	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:50:00 - [91] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: I think it should be dependent on how many people are in your squad... 1 - 1500 WP 2 - 2200 WP 3 - 2900 WP 4 - 3600 WP 5 - 4300 WP 6 - 5000 WP aight? Create squad in game. Get first orbital. Disband squad. Make new Squad Ger first orbital Disband squad Make new squad Get first orbital Repeat see you space cowboy...
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1124	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:51:00 - [92] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out a HMG the small amount of health he has left. I do it with a HAV these days, a Gunloggi with 6350 shields, proto rail, and a damage mod, lol. Good luck!!!! :) do it with the 6kin burst HMG jumping out of a tank. take duch tactics to a whole different LVL. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 58	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:51:00 - [93] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well I agree that it needed to be increased, though 5000 is probably pretty excessive. Also, I thought Warbarge OBs were disabled in FW so the only OB support you get is from EVE pilots, who's OBs are set to the timer, and not tied to WP? I could be wrong on that though. you are correct. pilot obs are set by timers however wp accumulation seems to shorten wait timer. No it doesn't. It is 3 minutes. Flat. Always. From time of connecting to district / firing to point of refiring, having more pilots doesn't matter, having more guns doesn't matter. OB's in fw should never be held - drop them asap.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:54:00 - [94] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4261	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:54:00 - [95] - Quote The good thing is that they can change it if need be. But if I take 3 minutes to setup a squad with equipment, vehicle, and scans covered you can get 4-7 OBs as long as the enemy team doesn't quit 5 minutes into the match. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Rowdy Railgunner Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:54:00 - [96] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: I think it should be dependent on how many people are in your squad... 1 - 1500 WP 2 - 2200 WP 3 - 2900 WP 4 - 3600 WP 5 - 4300 WP 6 - 5000 WP aight? Create squad in game. Get first orbital. Disband squad. Make new Squad Ger first orbital Disband squad Make new squad Get first orbital Repeat Quoting to show kirks lack of reading comprehension. Hey kirk. LERN 2 REED BRO!
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:55:00 - [97] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out a HMG the small amount of health he has left. I do it with a HAV these days, a Gunloggi with 6350 shields, proto rail, and a damage mod, lol. Good luck!!!! :) do it with the 6kin burst HMG jumping out of a tank. take duch tactics to a whole different LVL. Burst just takes the fun away of watching someone squirm for there life, lmao. Plus, if you screw up and tap 3 times it over heats, and you can't get back into your tank if it does :X lol
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:07:00 - [98] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I I'd say they get 400 WP each if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 544	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:16:00 - [99] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I'd say they get 400 WP each, if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people, and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player? You realize you're only talking about situational games, right? That's nothing to make an argument over. What if the game is only 1 squad in game, other team has no squad? I guess it's cool since one side was lucky enough to get that squad, the other side can just suffer. Who cares, right? They're bad anyways. lol
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7214	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:36:00 - [100] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: I think it should be dependent on how many people are in your squad... 1 - 1500 WP 2 - 2200 WP 3 - 2900 WP 4 - 3600 WP 5 - 4300 WP 6 - 5000 WP aight? Create squad in game. Get first orbital. Disband squad. Make new Squad Ger first orbital Disband squad Make new squad Get first orbital Repeat Quoting to show kirks lack of reading comprehension. Hey kirk. LERN 2 REED BRO! I did it! Not even the Jove can stop me! Come at me you sleeping cowards! You're all the same to me, dead.

Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:51:00 - [101] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I'd say they get 400 WP each, if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people, and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player? You realize you're only talking about situational games, right? That's nothing to make an argument over. What if the game is only 1 squad in game, other team has no squad? I guess it's cool since one side was lucky enough to get that squad, the other side can just suffer. Who cares, right? They're bad anyways. lol What situational games? This isn't some 10% occurrence, it happens frequently. Ambush isn't called Spambush for nothing, and the other modes aren't exactly free from it either. I'm not understanding your argument. The team with no squad will not be getting orbitals if the cost was 1 WP, so the change doesn't matter. If anything this helps the squadless team, since the chance of being orbital'd is now low, and becomes even lower if they play well. For the first time in a long time I've witnessed multiple momentum swings that would not have happened if orbitals still cost 2500 WP, since the losing team would have just been nuked, destroying positioning and momentum, and ensuring the winning team's victory. That's how most oribitals were used previously.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 546	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:55:00 - [102] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I'd say they get 400 WP each, if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people, and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player? You realize you're only talking about situational games, right? That's nothing to make an argument over. What if the game is only 1 squad in game, other team has no squad? I guess it's cool since one side was lucky enough to get that squad, the other side can just suffer. Who cares, right? They're bad anyways. lol What situational games? This isn't some 10% occurrence, it happens frequently. Ambush isn't called Spambush for nothing, and the other modes aren't exactly free from it either. I'm not understanding your argument. The team with no squad will not be getting orbitals if the cost was 1 WP, so the change doesn't matter. If anything this helps the squadless team, since the chance of being orbital'd is now low, and becomes even lower if they play well. For the first time in a long time I've witnessed multiple momentum swings that would not have happened if orbitals still cost 2500 WP, since the losing team would have just been nuked, destroying positioning and momentum, and ensuring the winning team's victory. That's how most oribitals were used previously. And at the same time, games are lost because there's no OB for one side to counter as often as the other. In face of what kind of game we're playing - a 'tactical shooter' of sorts, taking away options from players is a no no. If OB's were Oping one side - well, this just makes the situation even worse. Now, only one side on average is going to have possibly game changing and assault stopping OB's. Because that's how most matches are - one side has way more squad/clan members on it.
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 Dark Taboo 53	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:03:00 - [103] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see what you're saying but I think it just widens the gap between organized and disorganized. The 5000 WPs were implemented to slow down OBs from better players wrecking weaker players. The adverse effect is, better players can still get 5000 WPs while weaker players won't even have a prayer to get up to 5000 WPs per squad. Should we care bear just to make things simpler for the novice? I think not Dr. Watson. Of all the time of Dust the matchmaking sucked and even though there were many different opinions on how to fix it CCP never listened. So I say and said before that you would have to become the worlds greatest masochist/sadist combo ever to play this game until it dies or gets fixed... Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
Sclompton Face-Smasher uptown456 Dark Taboo 54	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:18:00 - [104] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see your point - it does - i just don't trust anyone will actually reach out to each other to improve and want to grow in this game. How often do you see new talent enter PC and actually do well? It just doesn't happen, no one is involved enough to want to grow to that level starting from scratch when people like me are running around with nearly 40mil SP spamming Gunlogis, Pythons, and full proto suits, and with more ISK then I can spend. The lack of newbie guidance to explain the HUD or how to even use vehicles and OB's makes the learning curve all the harder on the newer guys, and now they've lost more ability to compete. I think the hit this does to the new players is a bit much. Really needs to be reduced by at least 1000 WP I don't think i've ever been in a PC... I take that back since i've been in only 1. I also don't trust many people but the few off the top of my head like Heady Murphy, Attim, and CEO pyrex because i've ever squaded up with them a few times Heady and Attim more though. As for the reduction i'm a bit iffy because of the fact that if I get then there's the ultimate satisfaction because I usually don't run in stomp squads with proto stompers or exploiters and rather just end up leaving the group because of their playstyle. You know like that moment when you get your first solo OB or a rival finally killed after many losses? That's just an example of why i'm iffy about it. If you don't get it let me know. Playstyle: Scout, Passionate In-bred Sniper, Support, and Enemy finder Weapon: Pro Shotty, Sniper, and Scrambler Rifle
taxi bastard uptown456 Dark Taboo 203	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:19:00 - [105] - Quote really don't see what all the QQ is about. people claim their squads will not be good enough to get them? then having less orbitals against you must be a good thing? no? only thing i can thing of is those who like to farm kills by creating squads to get the orbitals are a little pissed. personally ill never squad up randomly in a pub because i do not want people getting a bigger chunk of that isk at the end of the battle for putting donut on player and getting kills with orbitals.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 736	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:29:00 - [106] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: And at the same time, games are lost because there's no OB for one side to counter as often as the other. In face of what kind of game we're playing - a 'tactical shooter' of sorts, taking away options from players is a no no. If OB's were Oping one side - well, this just makes the situation even worse. Now, only one side on average is going to have possibly game changing and assault stopping OB's. Because that's how most matches are - one side has way more squad/clan members on it. And this is somehow worse than orbital spam and proto stomp to the point where your opponent can't do much of anything, much less get enough WP to get 1 counter orbital, when it won't matter anymore? Because that's what happens the majority of the time in your scenario. Only balanced teams counter-orbital. Unless your team is completely garbage, those orbitals aren't coming out fast enough to soft lock the game. Vets and tankers can no longer solo orbital, and I view this as a good thing for newer players.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:34:00 - [107] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: And at the same time, games are lost because there's no OB for one side to counter as often as the other. In face of what kind of game we're playing - a 'tactical shooter' of sorts, taking away options from players is a no no. If OB's were Oping one side - well, this just makes the situation even worse. Now, only one side on average is going to have possibly game changing and assault stopping OB's. Because that's how most matches are - one side has way more squad/clan members on it. And this is somehow worse than orbital spam and proto stomp to the point where your opponent can't do much of anything, much less get enough WP to get 1 counter orbital, when it won't matter anymore? Because that's what happens the majority of the time in your scenario. Only balanced teams counter-orbital. Unless your team is completely garbage, those orbitals aren't coming out fast enough to soft lock the game. Vets and tankers can no longer solo orbital, and I view this as a good thing for newer players. One scenario gives you the option to punch back. The other leaves you even further hanging.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1293	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:07:00 - [108] - Quote I think they should have just increased the number of WP between each successive OB. For instance: OB#1 -> 3000 OB#2 -> 6000 OB#3 -> 10000 OB#4 -> 15000 Two main reasons: #1: At first glance, the first OB in PC occurs too late to have any effective use. #2: OB is a great equalizer in the game, and having the first one after 5k WP puts it solely into the hands of the better squads in pubs, further broadening the distance between the top and bottom players.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 388	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:23:00 - [109] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. Actually it does. A single person could get enough WP to drop an OB by themselves. This new change forces people to squad up more often and run solo alot less if they want those OBs. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Kyr Kitar Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 47	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:28:00 - [110] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I think you hit the nail on the head, proto squads will be dropping 2 OB's a game instead of 5, this does not hurt newer players. Who will have 0 OB's to counter with. You're right, doesn't effect them at all. It just goes from getting OB's 5 times and returning 2, to getting OB'd 3 times and returning none. Guess which situation is worse? Not too mention, less fun? EDIT: Also, it's 2 ob's PER proto squad, not just per game. ;) If a protostomping squad is dropping 5 OBs in a single pub match it means the other side is getting annihilated and certainly is not earning enough WP to return 2 OBs. In a more balanced game you'd maybe see 3vs1 or 4vs2, which is now down to 2vs1 because of the WP changes. From what I remember the whole point of the change was that a solo player in his own squad was able to get the needed WP for an OB (but it needed awesome play) and they felt it should be increased somewhat. I do however feel that 5000WP seems a little odd, all it does is reduce the amount of OBs the big squads get but it definitely doesn't hold them back. As you said, they are still able to get 2 OBs with 6 people. The real hit comes to the 2, 3 and 4 man squads that are now having a harder time dropping an OB which they might have been getting previously depending on who they came up against. I know me and a friend run around in a 2man squad in scout suits and sometimes we don't get over 1200WP together but some games we go up to 3500WP - all depending on who we face. Right now that would mean we don't get an OB. I am much more in favour of the WP threshold needed for an OB changing with the amount of people in your squad. I don't know how this would work if people were to leave the squad during the game though. I think a better solution to the problem would have been to remove the +50WP from every kill the OB makes. I don't think you can get enough kills with say 3 OBs to grant you another one but it definitely bridges the gap to that 4th one. If you have 5 others roaming around slaying things while you are dropping OBs it doesn't take that long to get another one (this is based on the old scenario, not the 5000WP OBs).

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 277	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:30:00 - [111] - Quote Well personally my highest wp scores have only been around 4500... So I guess they did it right, because now I'm unlikely to get one by myself... 3 man squads however.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 388	Posted - 2014.08.14 08:35:00 - [112] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Well personally my highest wp scores have only been around 4500... So I guess they did it right, because now I'm unlikely to get one by myself... 3 man squads however. Yep it will force more people to squad up and at least try to work together for that OB. Now if they would just Put a cap on links and nanohives so people wont spam the supply depots with them to lag out matches then things will be good. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 277	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:12:00 - [113] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Now if they would just Put a cap on links and nanohives so people wont spam the supply depots with them to lag out matches then things will be good. I'm not sure about a cap, because then idiots will plop a load at the MCC and that's it for the whole damn team. But it would be nice if there was a proximity limit, so you would only get 1 or 2 in an objective or important places... Would also solve the annoyance of me going out of my way to put a spawn in a stupid locataion and getting nothing for it since 5 logis spam 30 or so things around and on top of it.
Leanna Boghin Paradox Pride 389	Posted - 2014.08.14 09:18:00 - [114] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Now if they would just Put a cap on links and nanohives so people wont spam the supply depots with them to lag out matches then things will be good. I'm not sure about a cap, because then idiots will plop a load at the MCC and that's it for the whole damn team. But it would be nice if there was a proximity limit, so you would only get 1 or 2 in an objective or important places... Would also solve the annoyance of me going out of my way to put a spawn in a stupid locataion and getting nothing for it since 5 logis spam 30 or so things around and on top of it. I believe a cap for the entire team would be better because even if they did a proximity limit people would still be spamming them where they dont need to be and then lo and behold LAG eternal. It would just be more feasible to put a team cap on the amount they can toss out and if some idiot spams them all in the MCC then just get him killed in matches until he learns his lesson. I snipe in the redline because i know it pisses you off
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 177	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:00:00 - [115] - Quote I like this new change. And I believe it to be a good one. Yesterday I spent most of my day in Ambush, for a change, running alot solo, and what one notice very quickly is that the blueberries for the most part don't get into squads (as usual), I don't know if they even know how to do it or what will change for them. So I guess this change doesn't matter much for them as a team filled with mostly randoms wasn't getting OBs before either, what has changed though is that I didn't see them get OBd over and over again in games even when facing squads. I also like that the OBs doesn't get spammed, like in certain games where wp is getting farmed and they drop them over and over again, it was too easy for a logi/heavy combo to do before, and when a team got several orbitals they just annihilated the other team, forced them to other spawns and scattering. Out of all the games I played not many included a orbital, a nice change of pace, and from my perspective games were a bit more.... balanced, it gave people a better chance to set up defenses, spawn points, good positions and not getting bombed right away. It now comes down to more using your gun rather than dropping 3 orbitals killing 5-10 people in each of them. Along with the installations now becoming a strategic point which even blueberries can use to fend of enemies, I think this change of wp is a good thing. Of course, thats my opinion of it, and I can understand SoTa's view of it all.
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 816	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:13:00 - [116] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? EvE side OB's don't need wp's.... Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Scar Scrilla 334	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:34:00 - [117] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see your point - it does - i just don't trust anyone will actually reach out to each other to improve and want to grow in this game. How often do you see new talent enter PC and actually do well? It just doesn't happen, no one is involved enough to want to grow to that level starting from scratch when people like me are running around with nearly 40mil SP spamming Gunlogis, Pythons, and full proto suits, and with more ISK then I can spend. The lack of newbie guidance to explain the HUD or how to even use vehicles and OB's makes the learning curve all the harder on the newer guys, and now they've lost more ability to compete. I think the hit this does to the new players is a bit much. Really needs to be reduced by at least 1000 WP It's the same old question with the 'new player experience'. When I started out exactly one year ago, me and my brother got stomped and went KDR negativ for the first few weeks :) We could have left after the first few games but we decided to invest some time in understanding the mechanics of the game, joined corps and constantly got better, had more ISK we could spend on better gear etc. The point is: do you have to balance a game of Dust according to the standards of new players so they won't leave or do you want to have a competitive game for advanced players? Isn't it a nice thing to learn how to play a game and get better over time, evolve and improve your game style-even if it means u get stomped by proto squads when u start to play it? Obviously Dust isn't a game for the average FPS player cuz it is no average FPS game. That's what I always loved about Dust. On the new OB WP: an organized proto squad will always stomp a team of randoms, no matter how many WP it takes to drop OBs. OBs don't hack objectives :) "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 182	Posted - 2014.08.14 11:59:00 - [118] - Quote i like that sht. one of the most weakest things in this game besides cloaked scouts is losing a suit to an orbital. now at 5k a lot more isk is saved. also it's safer to play solo now. if you want an orbital just have the heavy stand there soaking damage while getting repped by 3 logis as usualGÇª
NAV HIV The Generals Anime Empire. 1942	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:08:00 - [119] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I saw way too many Ammar Assaults being repped by 1 logi... # Assaults 1 Logi... With a Combination of CR, RR and SCR... Very easy OB... Most things in this Hotfix Charlie has been good so far... But changing bonuses to 1 class of Scouts to cater to one class of cry babies... These Cry babies advocated all these changes and now they are crying this is OP that is OP... lol.... Sorry, back to your point... 2500 WP was too easy, 5000 only promoted more Point Ho ing lol
aaaasdff ertgfdd 213	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:18:00 - [120] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I saw way too many Ammar Assaults being repped by 1 logi... # Assaults 1 Logi... With a Combination of CR, RR and SCR... Very easy OB... Most things in this Hotfix Charlie has been good so far... But changing bonuses to 1 class of Scouts to cater to one class of cry babies... These Cry babies advocated all these changes and now they are crying this is OP that is OP... lol.... Sorry, back to your point... 2500 WP was too easy, 5000 only promoted more Point Ho ing lol Im cool with that. Point hoing yes, but suit and weapon diversity also yes. Lots of diffrent classes on the field from what I seen yesterday. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 564	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:19:00 - [121] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: NAV HIV wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I saw way too many Ammar Assaults being repped by 1 logi... # Assaults 1 Logi... With a Combination of CR, RR and SCR... Very easy OB... Most things in this Hotfix Charlie has been good so far... But changing bonuses to 1 class of Scouts to cater to one class of cry babies... These Cry babies advocated all these changes and now they are crying this is OP that is OP... lol.... Sorry, back to your point... 2500 WP was too easy, 5000 only promoted more Point Ho ing lol Im cool with that. Point hoing yes, but suit and weapon diversity also yes. Lots of diffrent classes on the field from what I seen yesterday. That's just how early updates are, people testing stuff. When they realize what's working best it'll go back to FOTMing.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition 3205	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:24:00 - [122] - Quote Just another example of why OBs shouldn't be tied to WPs at all. I know it requires a UI update but for legion hopefully they take a page from MAG and make OMS timer based instead of WP based. B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 763	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:25:00 - [123] - Quote So would you like to see OB's removed from Pub games (Ambush/OMS/Skirmish) completely?
Tread Loudly 2 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 30	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:26:00 - [124] - Quote On the topic of 1 player being able to drop an OB, I've already done it, so I know it's not impossible as well as if you have an organized squad running pubs you should still be able to easily get two OB's that is if you are running with good guys and not random blue dots ^-^ I Like Tanks, ADS's, and Ion Pistols!
aaaasdff ertgfdd 213	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:27:00 - [125] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: NAV HIV wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I saw way too many Ammar Assaults being repped by 1 logi... # Assaults 1 Logi... With a Combination of CR, RR and SCR... Very easy OB... Most things in this Hotfix Charlie has been good so far... But changing bonuses to 1 class of Scouts to cater to one class of cry babies... These Cry babies advocated all these changes and now they are crying this is OP that is OP... lol.... Sorry, back to your point... 2500 WP was too easy, 5000 only promoted more Point Ho ing lol Im cool with that. Point hoing yes, but suit and weapon diversity also yes. Lots of diffrent classes on the field from what I seen yesterday. That's just how early updates are, people testing stuff. When they realize what's working best it'll go back to FOTMing. Maybe, but I have 4 assault suits, 2 scouts, and 1 sentinel proto and honestly with this assault buff I can do well with any of them. Assaults are good, but my scouts still are also, depends on the map, my weapon, and mood really. Hell I rocked a Gal assault yesterday on Skim Junction with multiple hvys on the other team and was able to do well. My Amarr assault has a regen fit that has roughly 550 armor that reps at 37 per pulse, and 350 shields that rep at almost the same, regen is crazy and therefore viable on that suit, lots of diffrent builds im playing with. Gal scout now has 2 cmplx damage mods and slices, right through other amars when im using a cr on it. My Cal assault has 707 shields and is performing very well. And the mini assault layout is sweet, but im testing on it today. Ive seen imporvements outside of the wps and I like them. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
aaaasdff ertgfdd 215	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:41:00 - [126] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Just another example of why OBs shouldn't be tied to WPs at all. I know it requires a UI update but for legion hopefully they take a page from MAG and make OMS timer based instead of WP based. Im cool, with wp based obs in pubs, id like to see them be, more selective, as in other mution choices such as in FW and PC, with choices like Hybrids, Lasers, etc etc, also I like to see them cost MORE wps than they do even now, but cover a larger area and be completely devastating. For example how many times does a tank roll right out of the space artillery im dumping?, Well what if instead of 5000 wp, I could wait until I reached 7500 wp and this gave me an upgraded mution selection? Such as a higher alpha weapon with smaller area that could be used to precisely kill enemy armor? And the damage was high enough to do so. Or b4 I got to 5000,, I could instead for 3000 use a emp pulse that killed all that equipment on the round building on iron delta. In other wordss a wider range of space artillery choices, that did diffrent things, and became progressively more powerful the longer you waited to use them. We know this could be done because we do it in FW and PC. I say bring it into pubs, let noobs taste that power. It may also convince people to wait longer to drop in many cases. Possibly resulting in more tactical drops. Definitely inspiring some awe and fear in those new dots who see them..... As always I think diversity and choice is the key. I play now because of the choices im allowed to make., Gimme more.... INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN


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