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PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:09:00 - [1] - Quote You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 499	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:14:00 - [2] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:20:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change. yes, yes it is. 800 WP is just 16 kills to us, ****, i can get triple that if I cared too in one game, but publics aren't us or forum posters. I've been playing this game for 2 years, they suck. Most games people are not making over 830 WP on average.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:22:00 - [4] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:27:00 - [5] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? You do not create the in and outs of Dust based on PC. Pc is upper level competitive play at the upper echelons of the game. Game mechanics should be developed around pubs and the average player because PUBS not PC sustain the game. Pubs>PC. Please, leave my thread and never return. You obviously didn't read the OP at all, and I also happen to COMPLETELY disagree with you. Balancing this game on pubs is the worst idea ever. It is your opinion. When you get to be as good as me at pc or pubs I, will leave....... Balancing around public matches is how its done in gaming. Get a clue, then get good. And now you know why most games are bad, later. o/
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:28:00 - [6] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Are you saying you think on there level? I don't know why you'd be insulting yourself like that, but, uh, cool. :3
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:29:00 - [7] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Is it that hard for 6 people to earn ~840 WP a match? I think it's a good change. yes, yes it is. 800 WP is just 16 kills to us, ****, i can get triple that if I cared too in one game, but publics aren't us or forum posters. I've been playing this game for 2 years, they suck. Most games people are not making over 830 WP on average. Oh brother.....just cuz u had a bad game?....it's not that hard to get an on with a 6 man squad.....I average 1000 wp a game off of 7-30k suits I had a bad game? You must be new to the forums. Or maybe I spent too much time in the War Room? Lol
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:36:00 - [8] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Because it shouldnt be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an ob. This doesn't answer and barely touches on the topic which you obviously didn't read. I did read it and i gave you the answer that ccp will give you. Are you saying you think on there level? I don't know why you'd be insulting yourself like that, but, uh, cool. :3 No im saying exactly what ccp said. If you paid attention they said "it shouldn't be possible for a 1 man squad to drop an orbital". But im sorry that i pay attention. Yes, I know there excuse, but not the real reasoning. Saying it's just to prevent it doesn't support why. I want them to explain to us that the average player WP gain supports this high level of WP needed for OB. There must be a logical reason why 5000 was the number they choose.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 503	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:37:00 - [9] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: And now you know why most games are bad, later. o/ Lolz, most games are bad? Dude you are bad. I like most games including Dust, you have the problem, you find another game. Lolz, you're easily pleased, good for you. But Quality > Quantity.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Where have you been when they were discussing this? GD runs your Dust 514. Their tears motivate the changes. You gotta start speaking out more. I gave up on GD a long time ago - but listening to people praise this patch made me come back for a bit.

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I think you hit the nail on the head, proto squads will be dropping 2 OB's a game instead of 5, this does not hurt newer players. Who will have 0 OB's to counter with. You're right, doesn't effect them at all. It just goes from getting OB's 5 times and returning 2, to getting OB'd 3 times and returning none. Guess which situation is worse? Not too mention, less fun? EDIT: Also, it's 2 ob's PER proto squad, not just per game. ;)
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:13:00 - [12] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? we have been getting an average of 2 OBs a game now not a big deal. Yea... if you read OP it states proto squads would be earning around that much each, while pub squads get 0 - which is where the problem lays. You're taking content away from the public squads.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:40:00 - [13] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:47:00 - [14] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? Are you guys new to the forums? You're no where near my level. If I wanted to see your whole squad in the red-line I'd put them there hard and enjoy the tears. I speak for the people who can't do this, who don't have my SP and knowledge of this game, but just want to enjoy this game casually. Now get off your high horse you scrub,.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 510	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:48:00 - [15] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I have a gun that fires orbital. CPM privileges 'n all that. I fire OB's from sprinting. Imp hacks and all that.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 517	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:21:00 - [16] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: taxi bastard wrote: really? i could get the equivilant of an orbital quite often at 2500WP playing solo. for your squad not to average 825WP each a game is pretty bad uhm, yea, that's the point. Thanks for pointing that out, sherlock. Want a cookie now? I can put down 1000 wp per game without even trying. Thats 20 kills with no hacks, no links, no scans, no vehicle damage, no nanos.... I mean dude if you cant average 1000 per game,, why are you even in Dust? Are you guys new to the forums? You're no where near my level. If I wanted to see your whole squad in the red-line I'd put them there hard and enjoy the tears. I speak for the people who can't do this, who don't have my SP and knowledge of this game, but just want to enjoy this game casually. Now get off your high horse you scrub,. Lolz youd put me in the redline? *** please.... Are you new to, Dust? the forums. You are ok,, but ive seen you leave matches when you get owned. You might have been good in old Dust, but to me you aint ** in todays Dust. You might have been good back when Eve nerds like Jenza won dust tournaments and that was the level of competition here, noob we are true shooters, from 25 years of fps play, I got 60 mil sp, anything you put on the field ill put down better. Bring that sh11ty sentinel you run so I can make you quit, AGAIN....... Liar. I am one person in this entire game who will go 0/20 happily if my side is doing that badly, I don't care. I only leave to go pick up more squad mates, and that's it. Not that anyone can get to me if i cared to actually play. If you're going to lie do it else where, I don't have time for your stupid non-sense. Especially the part about you being any good - no need to make the lies so obvious.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 518	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:35:00 - [17] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Oh yay, another scrub on the forums trying to prove his biased opinion has meaning through 1v1's in a team based game. Am I supposed to accept? Should I go rushing on right now so you can prove yourself? Or, should I not care like I already do? People know I'm good, they don't know you're good, you'll just have to deal with that. :) SoTa PoP my main - if you ever see me on LOL feel free to challenge me again, sure as hell aint logging on so you can let go of your rage of sucking on the forums, lol. And if you want recordings of me there's tons of them - it's called PC games. There's videos of me rocking house and sucking it up. Good games and bad - because I've been here competing in PC since the first day it dropped and arguably have been in more PC's then most current players. GOML
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 518	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:45:00 - [18] - Quote Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 519	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:51:00 - [19] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? n-no... >_>;;
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 519	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:56:00 - [20] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Your main is banned isnt it? n-no... >_>;; Don't give in, its Logibro's alt tryin' to get you to confess! Row Row! FIGHT THE POWA!!~!!

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 528	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:08:00 - [21] - Quote Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. All this post says is that the topic isn't interesting enough to you to get involved in to understand in detail. Why did you even bother posting? And are you claiming the squads your in also have never dropped an OB?
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 528	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:31:00 - [22] - Quote Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see your point - it does - i just don't trust anyone will actually reach out to each other to improve and want to grow in this game. How often do you see new talent enter PC and actually do well? It just doesn't happen, no one is involved enough to want to grow to that level starting from scratch when people like me are running around with nearly 40mil SP spamming Gunlogis, Pythons, and full proto suits, and with more ISK then I can spend. The lack of newbie guidance to explain the HUD or how to even use vehicles and OB's makes the learning curve all the harder on the newer guys, and now they've lost more ability to compete. I think the hit this does to the new players is a bit much. Really needs to be reduced by at least 1000 WP
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 529	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:28:00 - [23] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Sclompton Face-Smasher wrote: Also OP: what this ended up doing was making team/squad play actually meaningful compared to near constant (every 3 or 4 games) solo OB's by these proto squads, FOTM's, or logi's that repped and supplied all game. I f you want this then fine... become head of CCP and just be a person who promotes that all, even scrubs, should get solo OB's if they exploit or stomp all day. I see what you're saying but I think it just widens the gap between organized and disorganized. The 5000 WPs were implemented to slow down OBs from better players wrecking weaker players. The adverse effect is, better players can still get 5000 WPs while weaker players won't even have a prayer to get up to 5000 WPs per squad. Should we care bear just to make things simpler for the novice? I think not Dr. Watson. Doesnt matter, weaker players were probably never in a sqd anyway, all this does is help keep them from getting farmed by one dude with an ob. This was discussed for months. Its done, let it go. Apperently only idiots discussed it. What you're taking from them is being able to compete and adapt on the battlefield, now they have to take things a step further to compete AS A CASUAL in a CASUAL GAME. That is not acceptable by any means, and whoever "discussed" this these past months should feel bad.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:29:00 - [24] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Joel II X wrote: I only read the first paragraph. Dude, calm down. It's not like orbitals are the whole objective of the game. I haven't dropped an orbital since like early 1.7. All this post says is that the topic isn't interesting enough to you to get involved in to understand in detail. Why did you even bother posting? And are you claiming the squads your in also have never dropped an OB? The guy who never plays tells the guy who does play he doesnt understand. I think you better stick to the forums. I think you better stick to your loud mouth - I have more game time then you easily. I could take a years vacation and still know more. Goml scrub.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:37:00 - [25] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 530	Posted - 2014.08.14 03:43:00 - [26] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Heard it a hundred times, scrub. It has no effect here. Get good enough to get to PC first, then come talk to me. Done many pcs noob, get paid to play it on the regular. Funny you are never in them. Because i don't play bad corps, not worth my time. Im not in a corp nub, I merc. For whomever drops the isk. Rofl, then for damn sure you'll never be in any of my games. No one hires no name scrubs to fight for them in PC, lol.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:45:00 - [27] - Quote It is a lot less frequent, but I still get contracts for ringing. I think the trick is just to be known for your role. I doubt there's many heavies left with my experience, so when a team is lacking a heavy they can count on I often get called upon over there own corp-mates who may not compete, as well. I ring for free, though. So that may be part of it, lol. :3 Honestly, though, ERA's been the only smart corp about ringing. They actually hired weaker ringers with no loyalties to corps to build that loyalty to them while training the 'ringers' in there ways. It was a genius method to recruit. Of course they'll join the corp fielding and training them and offering them more. I think the creativity in this game is dying, sometimes. :D
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 537	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:48:00 - [28] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out a HMG the small amount of health he has left. I do it with a HAV these days, a Gunloggi with 6350 shields, proto rail, and a damage mod, lol. Good luck!!!! :)
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:54:00 - [29] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 540	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:55:00 - [30] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: Im in game right now, Sota, msg my main, INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC. We can 1v1 right now with video capture and have the results up in 15 minutes on youtube. Do it. Do it. DO IT!! **** i wanna see this. no you don't Sota will just run into him with a LAV then jump out a HMG the small amount of health he has left. I do it with a HAV these days, a Gunloggi with 6350 shields, proto rail, and a damage mod, lol. Good luck!!!! :) do it with the 6kin burst HMG jumping out of a tank. take duch tactics to a whole different LVL. Burst just takes the fun away of watching someone squirm for there life, lmao. Plus, if you screw up and tap 3 times it over heats, and you can't get back into your tank if it does :X lol

PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 544	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:16:00 - [31] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I'd say they get 400 WP each, if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people, and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player? You realize you're only talking about situational games, right? That's nothing to make an argument over. What if the game is only 1 squad in game, other team has no squad? I guess it's cool since one side was lucky enough to get that squad, the other side can just suffer. Who cares, right? They're bad anyways. lol
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 546	Posted - 2014.08.14 05:55:00 - [32] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: New players don't give a damn about having orbitals, they want to get AWAY from those back-to-back orbitals. Blueberries weren't getting orbitals when the cost was 2800 WP, especially when they were losing. Hell, most don't even join a squad, so I don't see this hurting them at all. This is just veteran butthurt that their "I WIN' button got rightfully nerfed. Stop being lazy and breach the enemy nest. Are you mental, by any chance? Do your eyes work? Did someone drop you when you were little? I'm guessing it's a combination of all 3. The OP is very clearly speaking on behalf of the little guys and new comers, and you turn it into a vet wanting an easier game. You should just biomass, not like you're any better then a blue berry, anyways. The point is this doesn't hurt new players at all. If they're getting stomped on they aren't getting orbitals. By the end of the match, on average, I'd say they get 400 WP each, if that, which adds up to 2400 for 6 people, and that's not hitting the mark for 2500WP. And this is assuming full squad which we both know they wont be in. And what if they get 1 orbital at best at the end of the match, so what? Against vet teams with +3 orbitals it won't matter. They still will get slammed by proto suits and tanks/ADS in combination with back-to-back orbitals. This change at least helps them breath. Have you completely forgotten what it's like being a new player? You realize you're only talking about situational games, right? That's nothing to make an argument over. What if the game is only 1 squad in game, other team has no squad? I guess it's cool since one side was lucky enough to get that squad, the other side can just suffer. Who cares, right? They're bad anyways. lol What situational games? This isn't some 10% occurrence, it happens frequently. Ambush isn't called Spambush for nothing, and the other modes aren't exactly free from it either. I'm not understanding your argument. The team with no squad will not be getting orbitals if the cost was 1 WP, so the change doesn't matter. If anything this helps the squadless team, since the chance of being orbital'd is now low, and becomes even lower if they play well. For the first time in a long time I've witnessed multiple momentum swings that would not have happened if orbitals still cost 2500 WP, since the losing team would have just been nuked, destroying positioning and momentum, and ensuring the winning team's victory. That's how most oribitals were used previously. And at the same time, games are lost because there's no OB for one side to counter as often as the other. In face of what kind of game we're playing - a 'tactical shooter' of sorts, taking away options from players is a no no. If OB's were Oping one side - well, this just makes the situation even worse. Now, only one side on average is going to have possibly game changing and assault stopping OB's. Because that's how most matches are - one side has way more squad/clan members on it.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 549	Posted - 2014.08.14 06:34:00 - [33] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: And at the same time, games are lost because there's no OB for one side to counter as often as the other. In face of what kind of game we're playing - a 'tactical shooter' of sorts, taking away options from players is a no no. If OB's were Oping one side - well, this just makes the situation even worse. Now, only one side on average is going to have possibly game changing and assault stopping OB's. Because that's how most matches are - one side has way more squad/clan members on it. And this is somehow worse than orbital spam and proto stomp to the point where your opponent can't do much of anything, much less get enough WP to get 1 counter orbital, when it won't matter anymore? Because that's what happens the majority of the time in your scenario. Only balanced teams counter-orbital. Unless your team is completely garbage, those orbitals aren't coming out fast enough to soft lock the game. Vets and tankers can no longer solo orbital, and I view this as a good thing for newer players. One scenario gives you the option to punch back. The other leaves you even further hanging.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 564	Posted - 2014.08.14 15:19:00 - [34] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: NAV HIV wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: You must be. Are you trying to kill peoples incentive to play? Who do you think will be earning 5,000 war points a squad? Publics squads made in squad finder? You just made it even harder for them to compete, not only will they have iffy squads, but they'll all have to preform reasonably well to even get one OB. While the squad of FA and OH will still be dropping roughly 2 a game per squad. I'm not sure how exactly this will effect FW guys - but i can't imagine the EvE guys, the very very very few who do drop, aren't happy that they'll be dropping with much less frequency. So you've probably just created a larger rift there, but I may be wrong. 3500 WP should of been the new cap, that 1000 WP makes a difference, it might not seem a lot between 6 players, but in PC the frequency you earn WP is decided by the positioning of you versus your enemy - you're not all going to be raking in WP's constantly. You'll notice in most PC score boards most players never pass 2000 WP total, most not even 1000. That means in PC games, where arguably more WP are earned, 5000 WP is unreasonably high, and will make people form special WP farming logi squads to mass drop OB's while they rep and hive everything around them. Why would it be useful to do that now compared to back then when WP's were cheaper? Because 5000 wp makes OB's all the more valuable, they can change a game in PC. You losing those 3 guys meant 1 guy came in and got rid of all your links, pushing you out of that location and into a poor one. I would really, really love a dev blog explaining the reasoning of 5000 WP being the new cap. I just think it's just your way of saying, "See how little we care?" So, CCP, what exactly is your reasoning for damaging pub squads and inciting PC players to play even dirtier? I saw way too many Ammar Assaults being repped by 1 logi... # Assaults 1 Logi... With a Combination of CR, RR and SCR... Very easy OB... Most things in this Hotfix Charlie has been good so far... But changing bonuses to 1 class of Scouts to cater to one class of cry babies... These Cry babies advocated all these changes and now they are crying this is OP that is OP... lol.... Sorry, back to your point... 2500 WP was too easy, 5000 only promoted more Point Ho ing lol Im cool with that. Point hoing yes, but suit and weapon diversity also yes. Lots of diffrent classes on the field from what I seen yesterday. That's just how early updates are, people testing stuff. When they realize what's working best it'll go back to FOTMing.

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