So essentially:

Amarr bonus - compensates for overheat, the weakness of laser weaponry
Minmatar bonus - compensates for short clips, the weakness of projectile weaponry
Gallente bonus (if changed to range) - compensates for short range, the weakness of plasma weaponry
Caldari bonus (if changed to recoil) - compensates for high recoil, the weakness of rail weaponry.

Sound reasonable?

I would honestly prefer to see the range bonus, but I had thought the RoF bonus a popular idea so I included that.
Before this thread was created I hadn't seen much talk about range bonuses, but I'd seen a fair few posts about a RoF bonus.

I feel that a range bonus is in line with the other bonuses because it compensates for the main weakness of the weapon - just like the Amarr bonus compensates for overheat and the Minmatar bonus compensates for short clips. The Caldari bonus also kind of compensates for the slow reload of rail weaponry but it's just a lackluster bonus. Recoil probably suits the Caldari better because their weaponry actually does suffer from recoil.

So essentially:

Amarr bonus - compensates for overheat, the weakness of laser weaponry
Minmatar bonus - compensates for short clips, the weakness of projectile weaponry
Gallente bonus (if changed to range) - compensates for short range, the weakness of plasma weaponry
Caldari bonus (if changed to recoil) - compensates for high recoil, the weakness of rail weaponry.

Sound reasonable?

I would honestly prefer to see the range bonus, but I had thought the RoF bonus a popular idea so I included that.
Before this thread was created I hadn't seen much talk about range bonuses, but I'd seen a fair few posts about a RoF bonus.

I feel that a range bonus is in line with the other bonuses because it compensates for the main weakness of the weapon - just like the Amarr bonus compensates for overheat and the Minmatar bonus compensates for short clips. The Caldari bonus also kind of compensates for the slow reload of rail weaponry but it's just a lackluster bonus. Recoil probably suits the Caldari better because their weaponry actually does suffer from recoil.

So essentially:

Amarr bonus - compensates for overheat, the weakness of laser weaponry
Minmatar bonus - compensates for short clips, the weakness of projectile weaponry
Gallente bonus (if changed to range) - compensates for short range, the weakness of plasma weaponry
Caldari bonus (if changed to recoil) - compensates for high recoil, the weakness of rail weaponry.

Sound reasonable?

Finally, I agree with you. I thought it was impossible
Great, so can I make it ?

- Caldari : 5% kick reduction to hybrid/rail weapon per level
- Gallente : +5% range to hybrid/blaster weapon per level

Is it ok for you ?

That is what I recommended as well, but I think Arkena has a good point in that 5% maybe not be enough to matter. Considering how useful laser heat buildup and clip capacity can be for Amarr and Minmatar, those values may need to be bumped to 7-8% before they can be considered an equivalent contribution as the Am and Min bonuses. However, whatever we come up with is largely irrelevant and is more up Rattati/Logibro to determine which numbers will great enough of an impact to make those values an actual contribution to the assault playstyle.

Just throwing your hat in the ring for kick redux and range bonus is what really matters imo.

I think he was referring to the recoil bonus.
5% is fine for the range, IMO.

Amarr: bonus is golden
Minmater: extend clip size bonus to explosive weapons
Caldari: add a kick reduction bonus for rail weapons
Gallente: change the kick reduction bonus to a range bonus (which, for the plasma cannon, translates as a velocity bonus, allowing it to shoot farther, faster)

That is all.

Should we remove the commando bonuses? All of them increase DPS. Does that mean they're the only viable option for using that weapon?

No, it doesn't.
There is no problem with the equivalent of 10% more damage.

And if there's a problem with the bonus making weapons much more useful on the suit, perhaps we should remove the Amarr bonus? The bonus is so powerful that almost any serious SCR user goes to that suit.


And yet they remain massively strong performance enhancers.
If you're so dead set against DPS because somehow on the Galassault, unlike all other damage bonuses, it would make it 'the only viable option', optimal range doesn't increase DPS. It increases performance.


Except the current bonuses on the Gallente are so pathetic that it doesn't enhance performance. When has kick ever been a serious concern with the AR or shotgun? The hipfire difference is unnoticeable.

Meanwhile, the Amarr and Minmatar bonuses are immediately noticeable as incredibly strong 'performance enhancers'.



There are so many suits with strong bonuses to weapons that I genuinely can't understand how you can possibly think a 10% DPS increase would make it 'the only viable option' because it's blatantly not. The Amarr commando has a 10% damage bonus. Does that mean it's the only suit you see laser weaponry used on? No, it doesn't.

Why would this one specific instance of a bonus break everything?

i like your ideas on the caldari suit but i kinda like my gallente assault suit how it currently is.

I feel like at this point, with the vast majority of us agreeing on the bonuses for Cal and Gal assaults the Min Assault needs some more looking at. Its bonus is a good one but the suit still seems lackluster. Is this because of the HP and fittings or is it its bonus? Discuss.

Still no reaction from a DEV or CPM. I'll keep bumping this till it happens. It's rediculous, Features and Ideas is here for a reason. I don't think a thread like this should be ignored.

no matter how much you appease a group, they will always find something else to complain about

im a Lv 5 Gallente Assault, and i think the current bonus the suit has is wonderful. there relly isnt a reason to change it.

the OP said something about the reduced spread not effecting anything but the assault rifle (assault variant, if you will). i have to say WRONG. it effects the Ion Pistol as well, and i actually enjoy using it as my sidearm.


the Caldari assault bonus if fine too. it allows faster reload speed so you can re-engage your target before they take cover. the only thing this that the Caldari Commando has the same ability along with rail-weapon damage bonus too, so there is a minute reason to change it. if the Caldari Assault bonus is to be changed, i'd say give it the same bonus the Gallente have, only with railgun weapons. weapons such as the Rail Rifle suffer alot from inaccuracy.

i think the change to both caldari and gallente assault suit bonuses is a great idea

i like the idea that caldari gets the recoil reduction

but i specially love the idea of the gallente getting a small range buff. i have been a gallente assault since closed beta and i have always used the assault rifle. range has always been an issue but i always thought putting a red dot sight on the auto AR would defo improve the rifle but having a range buff defo is a better idea

Range is what the AR needs on the Gal assault to compete with the other racial weapons.

The Gallente assault bonus is a little more difficult. Other than a flat damage bonus or something marginal, there's not really anything that would affect all three plasma weapons, mostly because the plasma cannon is so different in function. I think it's easier to consider bonuses for it if the plasma cannon is ignored.

I have two suggestions for the Galassault bonus.

Suggestion 1: A RoF increase.
A popular idea on the forums is a 2% per level increase in RoF. This translates to a decent increase in DPS, which would augment the function of the AR, it being a CQC rifle designed to do a large amount of damage at short range.

The benefits are most obvious for the assault rifle (perhaps excluding the TAR) but the shotgun also benefits. The shotgun proficiency skill was previously (unusually) a rate of fire bonus. Shotgun users felt this was a useful proficiency.

Suggestion 2: A range increase.
This sounds a little more unorthodox.
Let me explain where I'm coming from.
The reasoning behind this is for it to be much the same as the other bonuses.

The Amarr weakness is overheat.
The Minmatar weakness is a short clip.
The Caldari weakness is charge time/recoil.

All of these would be compensated for by the assault bonuses, if this change were to go through.

The Gallente weakness is range. Hence, a range bonus on the assault would offset that.
Do note that the bonused AR wouldn't disrupt the normal range distribution much even if the bonus was 25%. With a ~40m optimal, a 25% bonus would still not allow it to exceed the ~55m optimal of the combat rifle, but it would be a useful aid.

So I would suggest a 5% per level bonus to optimal range for plasma weaponry.

The shotgun is never going to outrange anything, but would benefit, especially the breach shotgun. The breach is a variant which has really fallen by the wayside lately, but having it be useful at perhaps even a 9m range would give it a little life support.

Suggestion 2 is probably likely to prove unpopular, but failing that I would like to see suggestion 1.

The Calassault bonus is really just terrible, unfortunately, and something really ought to be done about it.