Lol... This post tho... Without statistical prove you say that most new players are heavies... I think we can all see that it would be a balance in between all suits, or even scouts and heavies for that fact... You just can't wait for hotfix charlie can you? No you want to see statistical prove that you can get easy kill on heavies with no effort involved... I would love to have an intelligent conversation with you, but... You are the best example of a QQ extremist... Bojo gives awesome arguments, try to be like him more... You are proving with every post you make that you don't want to negotiate these changes unless its laid 100% in your favor... You are starting to sound like a FOTM chaser...

This was entirely theory, with no mathematical proof to back up any of my claims whatsoever, and should be read as such.

So read as the bullsh*t it is aye o7

While it doesn't have the substance that it should, it does bring up a few valid points that Id like people to acknowledge.

The real reason for this is the demographics--In general, people who play as heavy (not all, but most nowadays) are new players, who have a much lesser grasp of the in game mechanics or map features, or the way that CQC works, etc.

On the opposite end of the spectrum we have scouts--most of the scouts who are complaining about ridiculous heavy spam are among what I lovingly call the "OG Cult". We have been around for a very long time, and I can't speak for all, but most of us went through the days of Slayer Logi permascan AR 514 with our shoulders high, and our profiles low, proud to be some of the few who actually ran scouts since day 1. These are the players who know the maps, understand the mechanics, and have become powerful while their suit was in a bad place.

The heavy and the scout each attract their own types of players, however, the ones that are more liable to complain are the newer players, the ones that don't understand the mechanics or how they work, and by coincidence, these player's demographic is comprised mainly of heavies.

These new players seem to have some ingrained sense of entitltement to fair 1v1 fights where even a militia heavy straight from the academy could slaughter even the game's toughest scouts. The problem is, the inherent play style that the scout utilizes requires trickery, a basic knowledge of human psychology, and an deep in depth knowledge of in-game mechanics.

Most players find this unfair, and believe that by donning the all-mighty sentinel suit that they should somehow become invulnerable, and that things such as the use of tactics or even their personal gun game are useless in comparison to the incredible advantages given to them by donning said sentinel suit.

When they are killed by something that is smaller and faster than them, it seems like a spit in the face, and indeed, for many, it is. They know that their skill and knowledge of game mechanics was less than that of their opponents, yet refuse to admit it. Instead, they become bitter and frustrated as they know that their gear is inherently stronger, yet they cannot beat their opponents.

To this, I have to say--Suck it the **** up. Seriously. 6/10 of the scouts complaining have been scouts throughout the dark ages, where the supremacy of fine rifles and brick tanked logis with perma-scans reigned supreme, and many of us even thrived (to whatever extent we were allowed).

You HMG sentinels have been given superior weaponry and suits, yet refuse to adapt to a battlefield in which tactical decisions and gun-game matter.


Despite saying this, however--
Are scouts OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? Yes, for the most part. Some may need buffs post Charlie, others, nerfs.

And we do openly admit it. We understand the game mechanics and the reasons why certain scouts coughCaldaricough are OP.

--BUT!--

Are Sentinels OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? No, all it will do is make it so that core skills will need to be close to maxed or maxed to fit full proto.

However, the lack of acknowledgement of the issues making the sentinel OP as well as the condescending, brash, rude, degenerate, and occasionally illiterate ways that the Sentinel community represent themselves makes the glaring balance problems all the more annoying for many of us long-timers.

TL;DR-- The reason Sentinels complain so much about scouts is because they are generally newer players, and the very way the sentinel role works causes them to resent scouts in particular.

Are Sentinels OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? No, all it will do is make it so that core skills will need to be close to maxed or maxed to fit full proto.

An excellent example of the inherent elitism and general disdain of anything that can't be killed in two SG blasts that infests the majority of scout players. SPOILER ALERT! Heavies can have decent gungame too. I'd also like to note that your little speech, specifically

fails to acknowledge the proto HMG range nerf and the HMG heat increase, which promotes a more skill based point defense playstyle. You also did not note the harsh reduction to CPU and PG which combined with the heavy weapon fitting bonus that a Sentinel will get discourages light weapon Sentinels. Posts like this that are absolutely dripping with bias are the main reason that I find it hard to take scouts seriously.

P.S. I've been a heavy since when it was the only suit the Amarr had...

Seriously; give some respect.

He, you and every other pubbie in this game can get my respect by earning it. I don't give out freebies.

No coherency, buncha anecdotal claims and no freaking evidence that amounts to buckets of tears.

Win = Me

Guess how many of you pubbies have actually earned my respect?

Here's a hint.

None of them post on the DUST forums.

In response to all the illiterate drivel being posted in attempt to flame me and those who are trying to support me--later today, if I have time, I will run a MLT HMG Minnie Heavy, and report my scores, good or bad, to the community.

I will run in 3 different scenarios--

1. Solo
2. Using an LAV and the infamous "Clown Car" tactic
3. Grouping up with a Logi and Cal scout for scans and reps

I will also mention the number of players in starter corps, high tier corps, and mid tier corps on each side.

I will then attempt to run a MLT Minnie scout, and the community can choose my fitting, and I will do the best I can with it, and report my scores in the same manner.

Wait. Youre going to do an actual REPORT? WITH LEGWORK???

Record the matches and post to YouTube to show your evidence.

Just for the reference, I run my Heavy solely to "rip the nuts" off of people who I kill too many times with my scout and then they pull out their Viziams and armor tank.

Im 100% heavy spec. I can tell ya even at proto you wont like solo pubstaring. I have to because I exist in inconvenient times for normal goons.

Heavy suits suck ass unsupported unless you get really lucky and are surrounded by newberries and idiots.running advanced or proto heavy isnt a profitable endeavor. I usually break even.

....I find them very easy to solo in personally, and even easier to use with a group.

But you try running a speed tanked minmitar scout, and tell me how easy it is

Yes.

Though I do occasionally need to find a supply depot to drop links and ammo or proxies if theres a really obnoxious tanker