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Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.10 08:25:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:The real reason for this is the demographics--In general, people who play as heavy (not all, but most nowadays) are new players, who have a much lesser grasp of the in game mechanics or map features, or the way that CQC works, etc.
On the opposite end of the spectrum we have scouts--most of the scouts who are complaining about ridiculous heavy spam are among what I lovingly call the "OG Cult". We have been around for a very long time, and I can't speak for all, but most of us went through the days of Slayer Logi permascan AR 514 with our shoulders high, and our profiles low, proud to be some of the few who actually ran scouts since day 1. These are the players who know the maps, understand the mechanics, and have become powerful while their suit was in a bad place.
The heavy and the scout each attract their own types of players, however, the ones that are more liable to complain are the newer players, the ones that don't understand the mechanics or how they work, and by coincidence, these player's demographic is comprised mainly of heavies.
These new players seem to have some ingrained sense of entitltement to fair 1v1 fights where even a militia heavy straight from the academy could slaughter even the game's toughest scouts. The problem is, the inherent play style that the scout utilizes requires trickery, a basic knowledge of human psychology, and an deep in depth knowledge of in-game mechanics.
Most players find this unfair, and believe that by donning the all-mighty sentinel suit that they should somehow become invulnerable, and that things such as the use of tactics or even their personal gun game are useless in comparison to the incredible advantages given to them by donning said sentinel suit.
When they are killed by something that is smaller and faster than them, it seems like a spit in the face, and indeed, for many, it is. They know that their skill and knowledge of game mechanics was less than that of their opponents, yet refuse to admit it. Instead, they become bitter and frustrated as they know that their gear is inherently stronger, yet they cannot beat their opponents.
To this, I have to say--Suck it the **** up. Seriously. 6/10 of the scouts complaining have been scouts throughout the dark ages, where the supremacy of fine rifles and brick tanked logis with perma-scans reigned supreme, and many of us even thrived (to whatever extent we were allowed).
You HMG sentinels have been given superior weaponry and suits, yet refuse to adapt to a battlefield in which tactical decisions and gun-game matter.
Despite saying this, however-- Are scouts OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? Yes, for the most part. Some may need buffs post Charlie, others, nerfs.
And we do openly admit it. We understand the game mechanics and the reasons why certain scouts coughCaldaricough are OP.
--BUT!--
Are Sentinels OP? Yes. Will Charlie fix that? No, all it will do is make it so that core skills will need to be close to maxed or maxed to fit full proto.
However, the lack of acknowledgement of the issues making the sentinel OP as well as the condescending, brash, rude, degenerate, and occasionally illiterate ways that the Sentinel community represent themselves makes the glaring balance problems all the more annoying for many of us long-timers.
TL;DR-- The reason Sentinels complain so much about scouts is because they are generally newer players, and the very way the sentinel role works causes them to resent scouts in particular. This is a wonderful example why heavys should be removed from the game. |
Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:30:00 -
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13ear wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:No the real reason people complain about scouts is because of fits like this. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6343This gallante suit has nearly 800 eHP Even with penalties moves faater than a Minmatar assault suit Has a profile capable of avoiding the majprity of scanners and all medium heavy, and other bricked scouts Has a prescision capable of scanning ALL medium or heavy suits Has nearly a 40m Scan Radius Has a Cloak Has Remote Explosoves Has 3 HP/s Armour Regen Has 30 HP/s Shield Regen (faster than the Minmatar Assault Suit) This Suit outclasses the Assault Suit in EVERYWAY, while still having the same/more eHP. I'd just like to point out that that fit you've provided a link for, is not faster than a minmatar assault suit. In fact it's slower than a minmatar logistics suits. I'll be the first to admit that scouts outclass assaults in almost every way, they're are too many advantages & too few disadvantages to using a scout suit. But when you have 700+ EHP on a scout suit, especially an armour tanked scout suit, you have to make sacrifices. The only scout suit that has no problem in playing the assault role effectively is the CalScout, which is by far the most OP scout suit. Imho the reason that the skilled players have such an issue w/ the trash players (HMG users) is the ease of use. We had the same issue w/ the RR, it's not just that's it's OP, it's the fact that it's so unbelievably easy to use that is takes any and all skill out of the equation. It's baffling to me that anyone who uses the HMG can imply scout SG is ez mode. The main reason I miss chromosome is the fact that more often than not, the deciding factor in a straight up fight regardless of what suit or weapon you were using, was player ability. The scout SGers you see facerolling heavies and going 50/0 did so w/ less EHP than you, less DPS than you & less range than you. They didn't beat you b/c the scout suit's OP. They beat you b/c they're the better than you. Admittedly not all scouts play this way, there are some who just tank their suits and camp w/ long range rifles... I don't see this as being a problem anymore b/c assaults will now do a far better job of it. Exactly! Its just too easy to be a heavy, a monkey could do it. And what do heavys do for the team? Nothing! There just there to pad there undeserved KDRs! Heavys provide no tactical help to anyone, there simply a crutch for **** scrubs! They need to be removed! |
Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.11 05:19:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:MythTanker wrote:Lol... This post tho... Without statistical prove you say that most new players are heavies... I think we can all see that it would be a balance in between all suits, or even scouts and heavies for that fact... You just can't wait for hotfix charlie can you? No you want to see statistical prove that you can get easy kill on heavies with no effort involved... I would love to have an intelligent conversation with you, but... You are the best example of a QQ extremist... Bojo gives awesome arguments, try to be like him more... You are proving with every post you make that you don't want to negotiate these changes unless its laid 100% in your favor... You are starting to sound like a FOTM chaser... This was entirely theory, with no mathematical proof to back up any of my claims whatsoever, and should be read as such. So read as the bullsh*t it is aye o7 While it doesn't have the substance that it should, it does bring up a few valid points that Id like people to acknowledge. I'd rather you admit that your entire OP is a pile of elitist sh*t and you have little to no idea of what it means to be a heavy... It means nothing to be a heavy. What do you even do for the team? Heavys are simply hungry mindless land sharks, killing anything in there sight that moves. The heavy is always played by such scrubby players, and the roll is so easy to use they think there good at this game. Give me one valid reason why we shouldn't just remove heavys already. |
Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:29:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Bormir1r wrote:
Seriously; give some respect.
He, you and every other pubbie in this game can get my respect by earning it. I don't give out freebies. No coherency, buncha anecdotal claims and no freaking evidence that amounts to buckets of tears. Win = Me Guess how many of you pubbies have actually earned my respect? Here's a hint. None of them post on the DUST forums. The lesser shouldn't even be allowed to get involved. Heavy suits should be removed from the game. Only scrubs use heavys. They don't even help the team, they just pad there kdr of lies! |
Copharus Arkana
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.11 19:32:00 -
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Wait... I clicked quote on post 71, why did it quote post72? |
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