Make it so attackers choose the timer, not the defender. Kind of like how warfare logically should be.

As long as anyone in PC has allies, all timers are theoretically covered.

That gives NS the ability to be an early morning strike force with good strength, but unable to hold the entire game hostage.

It'd have the same result.. Good idea though but people would still complain cuz no one could wake up early enough to defend from NS attacks. Different time zones just don't work out..

I'm...still struggling with which element of gameplay NS is using to "hold the game hostage". The timers? Get a team up early OR keep a team up really late OR attack somebody else on a better timer for your team. I am having a real hard time seeing an exploit or some other malfeasance. But that's just me! Carry on...

Nyain San still holds 25%.
It isn't because they are good, it is because it is exceptionally difficult to mount an attack on their timers.
If you give them incentive to take more land, they will... Passive isk provides that incentive.
Returning passive isk as it was will box more players and corps out of the ability to play as a team or group.
Something else needs to change in addition to reverting ISK generation for it to be a good idea.

I don't know what that something is, but I am sure there are at least 3-4 smart people who still care enough to put thought into solutions for an already well diagnosed problem.

I'm...still struggling with which element of gameplay NS is using to "hold the game hostage". The timers? Get a team up early OR keep a team up really late OR attack somebody else on a better timer for your team. I am having a real hard time seeing an exploit or some other malfeasance. But that's just me! Carry on...

I think a serious conversation needs to be had about this.

I mean in eve nullsec is a isk faucet, passive or not. A massive amount of wealth is created along with the most powerful and expensive ships only being built there. And i've been informed multiple times that maybe 15% of eve plays nullsec. and yet how much in terms of wealth and assets are created there? Sure they have PVE and that's a major difference but surely we can agree on some alternative that's feasible for dust.

I have proposed numerous times some proposals to improve PC, some of which revolve around officer weapons playing a key role through drop rates that are increased through the number of districts on a planet owned by a corp. With the recent parity of officer weapons being revealed by the event that just concluded it's worth mentioning again.

I would also like a realistic and honest conversation about how many battles are being fought in today's climate, and whether we honestly have 2 many districts available for people to obtain and it's affect upon the number of Bons isk banks there are in MH for people to simply farm instead of fight. Currently I am aware that certain corps simply don't show up to battles they presume they perceive will be a loss. We need to incentivize risking losses better, no?

The price to get into PC is too high, the rewards too low in comparison to the nature of the time commitment required to compete.

Most corps simply cannot field consistent teams outside of the top 3 contenders left. Of which OH is obviously the Juggernaut of talent, through no fault of their own.

Fostering the sort of commitment through greater rewards and visibility of PC and/or decreasing the commitment requisite to participate seems to me to be paramount in terms of importance.

I would submit after DNS was disbanded and perhaps the result of the revelations of fanfest PC has never really recovered in terms of corps.

A surge occurred as we witnessed 65 corps in PC..but now it's back to around 40. with about 150 districts controlled by 4 corps and their satellites. And that's not including DL who recently downsized a bit from 10% which would have been 70% by 5 corps and their satellites.

And it's not because all of these corps aren't amenable to having less. I know at least 2 of those 4 have given land away as frequently as they can discover a corp to give land to.

Thoughts?

Edit: In addition small things like isk costs to move clones from district to districts need revisiting.

Now I'm agreeing with Fiddlefuck...... time for an existential crisis, booze and Deus Ex from now on.

It's the timers, yes. It's not an exploit, it's just a reality that they are the only team with a strong enough morning crew that is on consistently enough to contest those times.

Not sure what you're talking about fiddle.

It's not an issue of winning or losing versus NS, it's an issue of it being a pain in the ass to wake up consistently.

Nobody likes to get up at 6:00 AM to fight the laggiest team on the server every single morning. You cannot motivate people to do it, period.

Heres the thing our Japanese players had to play at unfair timers to take some district but you never heard them complain about it just saying

The majority of your districts were given to you, or were otherwise taken during the aftermath of somebody elses struggle and you have never once done anything without the umbrella of somebody elses protection.

Just saying.

Right, opportunistic advancements which had nothing to do with your Japanese players actually winning matches.

But really, thats been your case during every war. You profited the same way when you were in NF, you absorbed a ton of excess districts when you were in EoN, and you managed to take a lot of free districts from demoralized corporations who had been fighting renegade.

The point is, you've always been on the winning side but you've never been doing the actual fighting. You've always been taking opportunistic shots at whoever is not in a position to fight back.

And the only reason why you're consistently on the winning side has nothing to do with NS's playerbase, and everything to do with the fact that the competitive entities out there don't want to deal with NS's laggy ass every morning so they put them somewhere they won't be an annoyance.

Heres the thing our Japanese players had to play at unfair timers to take some district but you never heard them complain about it just saying

I'm telling you how it is, old chap.

It's not hatred, its the record of history that you specifically just asked for.


You wanted to know how you got to where you are, and I told you. If the answer doesn't sound nice, then I'm sorry, but how else would you prefer me to say it?

Dust PC lags. Dust PC with NS lags extra, extra hard. Nobody enjoys it. This affords you certain luxuries.

This was before i was in NS if we are garbage like you are implying why did alliances like EoN. and NF take us in ?

Because we didn't feel like fighting the NS lagstorm, and nobody wants to wake up for it. If you're on our side, we don't have to deal with that situation.

That has been the realistic situation confirmed for me from basically every alliance leader since the dawn of time. NS is not a severe threat to anyones districts, merely a severe threat to everyone's fun.

I'm sure they are nice. One of them even tried hitting on me. It was cute, although he probably assumes I'm a woman.

But you may be mistaking my tone here. I don't hate NS, I hate the fact that playing NS means playing the game in broken mode. If I was the only one who felt that way, then NS wouldn't have advanced as far as they have. The major players deliberately avoid NS for this exact reason.


This isn't just some snipe at NS, it's the truth you asked for. You won't find as many people as brutally honest as me about it.

Do I get pissed off when I fight NS? Sure. Because the game stops working. And everyone else gets pissed off too. It doesn't matter if your Japanese players are the nicest people on the face of the planet, nothing is going to keep people from getting pissed off when they have to deal with that crap.


Do I get pissed off when NS pubstomps? No, actually. I think its hilarious. So you see, I am a reasonable fellow.

I honestly think the simple case could have been made, that because downtime sometimes starts early and sometimes stays up a little late, that the PC timers 1-2 hours before and 1-2 hours after downtime should have been removed from being usable PC timers

Such as PC times would be 13:00/14:00-9:00/10:00 EvE time roughly

It seems that the 12:00 timer is just such an awkward timer for most people, and even 1 hour later or before would help out loads

Not sure why no one has ever said this before?

You can promote it as giving people better timers to play

Or promote it as preventing downtime to run over your PC battle

Either way, I can't see how this could hurt anyone?

Question for you have you ever taken a chance to get to know our Japanese players? Well i can tell you they are probably the nicest people on this game and many people would agree with this statement. Just the stuff you are saying is uncalled for IMO
BTW Nyain deals with other stuff most great PC corps don't really deal with

So FA is talking **** like usual.. Then again he wouldn't know that NS lags in PC too it's not just you NA guys that lag but that's always been a great excuse. I don't think I've ever seen OH complain about it, but hey if you think I should wake up early to take a district then you can wake up early to try and take ours.. Works both ways bud.

*facepalm*

everyone go enjoy and take a chill pill FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-0TEJMJOhk

So what you're saying is because I was on the side attacking NS that I shouldn't stick up for my corpmates? Name 1 corp I left before it died.. You call out my friends and I'll call you out.