Why are you still playing this trash game and not destiny

Since there is no open market, selling and buying clones at a fixed price doesn't drive war the way it should. If nobody is fighting then clones should be abundant and their prices reduced, thus making conflict less expensive, while on the other hand if large scale war breaks out the price is increased, meaning generation is far more profitable and clone packs far less cost effective. Ideally when a blue donut forms passive ISK approaches 0 as a lack of conflict lowers clone demand. At the same time this would make clone packs much cheaper giving other parties outside the donut a way to keep conflict going.

I think a serious conversation needs to be had about this.

I mean in eve nullsec is a isk faucet, passive or not. A massive amount of wealth is created along with the most powerful and expensive ships only being built there. And i've been informed multiple times that maybe 15% of eve plays nullsec. and yet how much in terms of wealth and assets are created there? Sure they have PVE and that's a major difference but surely we can agree on some alternative that's feasible for dust.

I have proposed numerous times some proposals to improve PC, some of which revolve around officer weapons playing a key role through drop rates that are increased through the number of districts on a planet owned by a corp. With the recent parity of officer weapons being revealed by the event that just concluded it's worth mentioning again.

I would also like a realistic and honest conversation about how many battles are being fought in today's climate, and whether we honestly have 2 many districts available for people to obtain and it's affect upon the number of Bons isk banks there are in MH for people to simply farm instead of fight. Currently I am aware that certain corps simply don't show up to battles they presume they perceive will be a loss. We need to incentivize risking losses better, no?

The price to get into PC is too high, the rewards too low in comparison to the nature of the time commitment required to compete.

Most corps simply cannot field consistent teams outside of the top 3 contenders left. Of which OH is obviously the Juggernaut of talent, through no fault of their own.

Fostering the sort of commitment through greater rewards and visibility of PC and/or decreasing the commitment requisite to participate seems to me to be paramount in terms of importance.

I would submit after DNS was disbanded and perhaps the result of the revelations of fanfest PC has never really recovered in terms of corps.

A surge occurred as we witnessed 65 corps in PC..but now it's back to around 40. with about 150 districts controlled by 4 corps and their satellites. And that's not including DL who recently downsized a bit from 10% which would have been 70% by 5 corps and their satellites.

And it's not because all of these corps aren't amenable to having less. I know at least 2 of those 4 have given land away as frequently as they can discover a corp to give land to.

Thoughts?

Most importantly. There has to be a reason, 16 mercenaries, wake up one morning as a team and say, I want that exclusive, rare, hard fought ,well positioned for the next hop, strategic step off for a well paid, interesting location, with a proud reason of ownership, and bragging rights ( Shiny district.)

As a leader how would you encourage a team to take anything in this state?

I never said we should retain 120 clone packs but the price of 150 should not be 50 million. It costs 150 million flip a hub (like 75% of districts are hubs if not more) how long does it take to grind out clone packs, a week? You could grind out for 3 weeks just to flip one district only to get kicked from PC 3 days later and have to restart the process hell some corps will kick you from PC just because you're in the wrong place. It is highly unattractive for those not with ISK reserves to attempt to break into PC.

Nyain San still holds 25%.
It isn't because they are good, it is because it is exceptionally difficult to mount an attack on their timers.
If you give them incentive to take more land, they will... Passive isk provides that incentive.
Returning passive isk as it was will box more players and corps out of the ability to play as a team or group.
Something else needs to change in addition to reverting ISK generation for it to be a good idea.

I don't know what that something is, but I am sure there are at least 3-4 smart people who still care enough to put thought into solutions for an already well diagnosed problem.

I'm sure they are nice. One of them even tried hitting on me. It was cute, although he probably assumes I'm a woman.

But you may be mistaking my tone here. I don't hate NS, I hate the fact that playing NS means playing the game in broken mode. If I was the only one who felt that way, then NS wouldn't have advanced as far as they have. The major players deliberately avoid NS for this exact reason.


This isn't just some snipe at NS, it's the truth you asked for. You won't find as many people as brutally honest as me about it.

Do I get pissed off when I fight NS? Sure. Because the game stops working. And everyone else gets pissed off too. It doesn't matter if your Japanese players are the nicest people on the face of the planet, nothing is going to keep people from getting pissed off when they have to deal with that crap.


Do I get pissed off when NS pubstomps? No, actually. I think its hilarious. So you see, I am a reasonable fellow.

I simply think that CCP got lazy with PC

Only being able to choose 1 of 3 structures?

No Dust benefits? (Outside of farming ISK)

No EvE benefits?

Only 3 map rotations?

No benefit in holding 1 district over another?

No benefit of holding many districts on 1 planet or system?

No incentives for EvE players to provide support?

No way to choose the colors that represent your corp?

No way to interact with your districts outside of moving clones and changing timers?

No sexy ladies in bikinis?

Sounds like someone got really lazy and half assed PC

BUT at least we all made it fun and competitive

Although you can only make the same thing "Fun" for a certain amount of time

Make PC in high and low sec.. Greater rewards= competitive players and then the less competitive can circle jerk with less rewards. Top tier corps or those who think they can handle it will be in one section for greater rewards leading to more competitive corps and then the section for less rewards but still viable and fun for new/not very competitive corps.

Actually the eve benefits are significant.
Map rotation was better when it had the green mushroom map (aka NOT ****** lag map that should never have been put in the rotation before it was optimized).

Going to say it again(random rant that I am still pissed about): I am still pretty upset that they decided that tabletop was a good map for a tournament final.... Quite pissed off that they gave us A/B side twice in a row too. NO! DON'T SWITCH SIDES! WOULD BE TOO FAIR! We spent almost 8 minutes talking about our strategy based on the fact that we actually had the good side of the map that time, and then the map loaded and we said "****, same thing as last time?(Last time where we barely pulled a win out, jaws of defeat stuff...) Got stomped from the start that match. Also happened to be the deciding match... Thanks CCP/Urgent Fury, For giving us maps that aren't balanced and then making us play the same inferior side twice in a row.

If you think A/B is anywhere near as powerful as C/D on tabletop, you need to get your head checked.

It's weird that individual players are complaining about this change.

If anything individual players should be asking WTF there aren't more battles up. I think the only people that don't like these changes are dudes that were either A) pulling from that corp wallet or B) getting a paycheck for not doing anything.