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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:43:00 -
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Stile451 wrote:Appia Vibbia wrote:A lot of the problem I see with the PG upgrade is the CPU cost. If I've got the CPU for the mod but not the PG I try and fit a PG upgrade but the cost on it usually means I no longer have the CPU to use it. This is my experience for the most part although I do use them on a few suits.
Well that's is a normal part of fitting tuning process. Never expect that to go away coz it shouldn't.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1163
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:49:00 -
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If player stacks multiple high level modules on one fit, it's likely that he will run out of one or the other:
PG or CPU.
That can be helped via PG/CPU upgrade module.
IN ESSENCE,
PG/CPU UPGRADE MODULES CAN BE CONSIDERED AS A VOLUNTARY STACKING PENALTY.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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Toby Flenderson
research lab
558
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:52:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants?  They are similarly terrible  . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well...
I saw a video of a min scout tanking myofibs and tried it myself. It's my favorite fitting now. You can one hit most medium suits . The suit is paper so it's balanced but be careful what you do to those things |
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
4479
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Posted - 2014.07.18 09:59:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:
How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm.
THAT is a big NO-NO. The free fitting cpu upgrade is a broken module and a freak amongst others. There should always be a cost even though how minimal. The point is that there's no sacrifice in fitting complex cpu mod over basic. Only balancing thing is isk price, and isk balancing is the worst balancing.
Excellent point!
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1163
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:03:00 -
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My guess why Rattati is mapping (PG) upgrade usability is that as both mods are low slots, it means granting some suits more low slots makes then harder to plan to balance.
If a suit has abundant low slots - but has option not to armour tank - then it has access to enormous PG/CPU and therefore setting the said suits base PG/CPU is that much harder task.
People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
11428
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:22:00 -
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Make it a high slot module, armor tankers need more high slot options. PG upgrades being in low slots make them have to compete for slot space with the very modules they're meant to help you fit.
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Floyd20 Azizora
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:52:00 -
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Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
4480
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Posted - 2014.07.18 10:56:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high.
Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Alena Ventrallis
S0VER31GN
1459
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Posted - 2014.07.18 11:33:00 -
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As there are modules that use CPU and no PG (dampeners, enhancers, etc.) this means that I will run out of CPU far more quickly than I will PG. With many skills that reduce CPU (Light/sidearm weapon trees for example) There are a handful of skills that reduce PG; for dropsuits, its the 4 racial logi suits reducing both pg/cpu for equipment. In fact, the only skill that reduces PG and PG alone is vehicle armor fitting, which only reduces pg for armor modules.
Even with the skills so far skewed in favor of CPU fitting on both dropsuits and vehicles, CPU runs out far faster than PG does. Thus, CPU mods are more used, because it is the first to go over the limit. Fitting mods should be used when your skills are not high enough to fit what you want, requiring you to sacrifice a slot in order for your fit to... well, fit. Once you max out your fitting skills, they should be used very sparingly, only when absolutely necessary. An example of this is the CalLogi, which didn't need any fitting mods before 1.5 anyway, where they nerfed it's CPU.
As it stands, only one suit is actually starved for pg, and that's the MinScout, which is being addressed. PG mods aren't used not because they are too weak or because they need a buff, but because they are not needed.
Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6352
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Posted - 2014.07.18 12:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone.
Kinda hard to weigh in on something that no-one really uses 
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
471
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Posted - 2014.07.18 14:26:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone.
To be fair, nobody in eve use fitting mods either. The general rule is that if you need to use a fitting mod, you did something wrong in your fit or you need to improve your fitting skills. You can always find something more useful than a fitting mod |
Jacques Cayton II
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
872
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Posted - 2014.07.18 15:20:00 -
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Nerf shields again why don't you
We fight for the future of the State not our
personal goals
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6595
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Posted - 2014.07.18 15:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone.
That's what I'm saying. For PG mods to actually be worth something You'd have to have Some good mods for armor in the Highslots.
Without that we'd just look at these PG mods like, "lol no".
see you space cowboy...
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emm kay
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
132
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Posted - 2014.07.18 16:06:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Lies.
Every seasoned python pilot uses one on every fit (s)he has.
in the dropsuit terms- buff shield tanking, but also increade the PG cost.
some sample numbers to play around with would be 60/80/120 for extenders
shield extenders should also take less time to start to recharge, but recharge less HP/ cycle.
make other shield modules useful! the only reason the aren't on the bottom is because they're used on MLT fits.
nerf armor tanking (plates) by ~3% amarr heavies w/ 1200 HP are insane. nerf. nerf now.
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Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
199
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Posted - 2014.07.18 17:09:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Please speak your mind about it, I am particularly interested in players who actually use it, and for what purpose. What kind of fitting can be made better with a PG upgrade?
My personal experience is usually, "hmm, I need PG to pack stuff into my low slots, then I don't have the slots anymore because the rest of my lows are proto anyway".
How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm.
I only use it on 'Supply' fits, which are fits whose only purpose is to drop lots of high end equipment of a specific type. Nanohives to build nano nests, drop uplinks to drop all over the map to give my team lots of opportunities to out flank, or pile up PEs to blow up vehicles at choke points. The drop link one is the only one I do not use without a supply depot near by.
One big thing I want changed about PG modules is to remove the CPU requirement. CPU modules don't use PG, so why is the reverse not true about PG. The current behavior makes PG modules really CPU->PG transformation modules. They are upgrades and I'm using a whole slot to make up for a lack in my suit, so there is penalty enough already.
I have wanted a module that upgrades both CPU and PG at the same time. The combined module should, obviously, upgrade less than individual modules so there is a trade off for getting to use one slot to upgrade both.
I have many times wished there was CPU and PG modules that fit into high slots, so I could choose whether to fit them in high or low slots. I think, however, that this is really due to there being too few things to put in high slots and too much to put in low slots, making low slots superior for all builds except shield tanking ones. I think this would give too much of an advantage to suits with lots of low slots, so I wouldn't want this added without a redistribution of modules across high/low slots.
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IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
605
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Posted - 2014.07.18 17:48:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone. To be fair, nobody in eve use fitting mods either. The general rule is that if you need to use a fitting mod, you did something wrong in your fit or you need to improve your fitting skills. You can always find something more useful than a fitting mod
Sure they do. I have two Large Ancillary Current Routers on my Domi. Whether or not that means I should do something else that doesn't require them isn't really relevant, because that is my go-to fit, not a throw-away fit that I use in highly situational scenarios.
Comparing DUST mods to Eve is problematic because mid-slots and rigs.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
Anime Empire.
10649
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:07:00 -
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emm kay wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Lies. Every seasoned python pilot uses one on every fit (s)he has.
That's not saying much considering how there aren't that many ADS pilots.
Though I'm sure he's referring to Infantry PG Upgrades.
And on that day, that very day, not a single Pilot had lived...
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DozersMouse XIII
Inner.Hell
855
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:12:00 -
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I use them on very rare occasions
one thing I noticed and I dont know if its been pointed out but
why do PG extenders use up CPU and CPU extenders use zero grid?
NERF THE TAMSEN!
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Ashley Swift
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.07.18 18:37:00 -
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I find the PG Upgrade to be not worth fitting due to loss of an armor plate. If damage wasn't so high and having 500 even armor on a Gallente Assault (STD or ADV) actually meant something, trying to put a better equipment on will mean nothing when I die in half the time. Moving it to a high slot is a very considerable option, perhaps even letting both the PG and CPU upgrades be available on both ends would make it fairer to players using different race suits. In the end deaths happen too quickly and it is not worth sacrificing health for a more optimized fitting.
Now that you're close I feel like coming undone
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
475
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Posted - 2014.07.18 19:13:00 -
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IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone. To be fair, nobody in eve use fitting mods either. The general rule is that if you need to use a fitting mod, you did something wrong in your fit or you need to improve your fitting skills. You can always find something more useful than a fitting mod Sure they do. I have two Large Ancillary Current Routers on my Domi. Whether or not that means I should do something else that doesn't require them isn't really relevant, because that is my go-to fit, not a throw-away fit that I use in highly situational scenarios. Comparing DUST mods to Eve is problematic because mid-slots and rigs.
those rigs and rigs arent modules. i said nobody use fitting modules. rigs are different, and are regularly used to squeeze on better mods. in dust, we dont have rigs. then again, neither did eve online when it first came out.
thats a good question to ask those guys. Before rigs were released, were the fitting mods used more often? |
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1358
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Posted - 2014.07.18 20:53:00 -
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emm kay wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Lies. Every seasoned python pilot uses one on every fit (s)he has. in the dropsuit terms- buff shield tanking, but also increade the PG cost. some sample numbers to play around with would be 60/80/120 for extenders shield extenders should also take less time to start to recharge, but recharge less HP/ cycle. make other shield modules useful! the only reason the aren't on the bottom is because they're used on MLT fits. nerf armor tanking (plates) by ~3% amarr heavies w/ 1200 HP are insane. nerf. nerf now.
Yep totally right about that one low slot on my Python.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15964
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Posted - 2014.07.18 20:58:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone. To be fair, nobody in eve use fitting mods either. The general rule is that if you need to use a fitting mod, you did something wrong in your fit or you need to improve your fitting skills. You can always find something more useful than a fitting mod
^^^^This
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
15964
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Posted - 2014.07.18 21:01:00 -
[113] - Quote
DeathwindRising wrote:IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Has anyone considered moving cpu mods to high slot instead? shield tanks are meant to be cpu heavy, and armor tanks are pg heavy. either give both the mod they need in their off slot, or give neither of them it. Also, PDU's from eve would be nice (less pg, but small shield bonuses). the one thing everyone here agrees is something needs to move up, and some of these mods need less pg usage.
high slot utility mods:
damage
precision
low slot utility:
pg and cpu
profile
range
speed and stamina
hacking
It seems to me that the only way for it to be useful, even in high, is to cram in another proto rep or plate. Personally I would alwas stick with adv low and a proto dmg mod in my high. Noone really replied with a good use case so we will take these ideas, and your myofib ideas into consideration for future buffs, but nothing immediate. Thanks everyone. To be fair, nobody in eve use fitting mods either. The general rule is that if you need to use a fitting mod, you did something wrong in your fit or you need to improve your fitting skills. You can always find something more useful than a fitting mod Sure they do. I have two Large Ancillary Current Routers on my Domi. Whether or not that means I should do something else that doesn't require them isn't really relevant, because that is my go-to fit, not a throw-away fit that I use in highly situational scenarios. Comparing DUST mods to Eve is problematic because mid-slots and rigs. those rigs and rigs arent modules. i said nobody use fitting modules. rigs are different, and are regularly used to squeeze on better mods. in dust, we dont have rigs. then again, neither did eve online when it first came out. thats a good question to ask those guys. Before rigs were released, were the fitting mods used more often?
No they were not usually unless it's one of those stupidly weird edge cases for a type of performance that usually got nerfed like a Micro Reactors which gave raw grid + instead of % in which those modules are more useful on ships with poor pg to start with.
Another example of a weird case? using the said fitting modules to fit a module for a ship size above yours.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
IMMORTAL REGIME
600
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Posted - 2014.07.18 21:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well...
hey dont insult my myofibs! my min scout alt has proto biotics and myofibs and punches the **** out of brick tank scouts |
IAmDuncanIdaho II
R 0 N 1 N
609
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Posted - 2014.07.18 22:15:00 -
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buzzzzzzz killllllllll wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... hey dont insult my myofibs! my min scout alt has proto biotics and myofibs and punches the **** out of brick tank scouts
Hey what's the animation like for punching the **** out of a merc with a drop uplink? The way your merc carries those things, it's like they're ready to blap someone over the head with it.
You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all.
~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
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Gemini Cuspid
115
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:13:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Atiim wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well...
There's a difference; stimulants are popular for people grouping with a tank or still going for the stealth kills with nova knives where as any PG fit is a deterrent to use; requires too useful a slot and its not like shield tanking is popular either. Basically any smart player is asking why should they use it when it cost CPU that has a bigger impact on the main wpn you use and armor you equip. |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2327
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Posted - 2014.07.18 23:16:00 -
[117] - Quote
Unused mod seeks meaningful relationship with charitable clone.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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emm kay
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
133
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Posted - 2014.07.19 02:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:emm kay wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Lies. Every seasoned python pilot uses one on every fit (s)he has. That's not saying much considering how there aren't that many ADS pilots. Though I'm sure he's referring to Infantry PG Upgrades.
scroll a wee bit more, my friend.
:)
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You called, sir?
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
2252
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Posted - 2014.07.19 02:20:00 -
[119] - Quote
CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Please speak your mind about it, I am particularly interested in players who actually use it, and for what purpose. What kind of fitting can be made better with a PG upgrade?
My personal experience is usually, "hmm, I need PG to pack stuff into my low slots, then I don't have the slots anymore because the rest of my lows are proto anyway".
How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm.
In original concept that was breifly explained by the former CCP Jian then massive further assumption on my part...
there was supposed to be a built in balance mechanic to stop "Dual tanking" Shields where supposed to be Primarily CPU based in the requirements needing to fit it. And naturally the more shield favoring races would have bonuses to CPU capacity and very limited Power grid.
Where Armor was supposed to be Primarily a Powergrid requirement module. And then armor suits would naturally have signifcantly higher PG and limited CPU.
Both suits would then need to sacrifice, for example shield suits would have to sacrifice a shield slot(Highslot) to fit a Powergrid module to then fit PG intensive modules.. Sacrificing your specialized race bonuses for a sandbox fit that may be better suited in certain circumstances.
Where Armor suits if they needed extra CPU, would then have to fit a CPU module in low slot and sacrifice their Tank, for shield or CPU intensive modules.
Between this and the original concepts of "Meta" there was supposed to be a Synergy created with auto balancing the suits. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11137
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Posted - 2014.07.19 11:11:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade.
Please speak your mind about it, I am particularly interested in players who actually use it, and for what purpose. What kind of fitting can be made better with a PG upgrade?
My personal experience is usually, "hmm, I need PG to pack stuff into my low slots, then I don't have the slots anymore because the rest of my lows are proto anyway".
How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm. In original concept that was breifly explained by the former CCP Jian then massive further assumption on my part... there was supposed to be a built in balance mechanic to stop "Dual tanking" Shields where supposed to be Primarily CPU based in the requirements needing to fit it. And naturally the more shield favoring races would have bonuses to CPU capacity and very limited Power grid. Where Armor was supposed to be Primarily a Powergrid requirement module. And then armor suits would naturally have signifcantly higher PG and limited CPU. Both suits would then need to sacrifice, for example; shield suits would have to sacrifice a shield slot(Highslot) to fit a Powergrid module to then fit PG intensive modules.. Sacrificing your specialized race bonuses for a sandbox fit that may be better suited in certain circumstances. Where Armor suits if they needed extra CPU, would then have to fit a CPU module in low slot and sacrifice their Tank, for shield or CPU intensive modules. Between this and the original concepts of "Meta" there was supposed to be a Synergy created with auto balancing the suits.
Problem is, with all the power creep we got, what was considered "Low PG" or "Low CPU" from back then has a complete different meaning now.
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