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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4440	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:53:00 - [1] - Quote As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Please speak your mind about it, I am particularly interested in players who actually use it, and for what purpose. What kind of fitting can be made better with a PG upgrade? My personal experience is usually, "hmm, I need PG to pack stuff into my low slots, then I don't have the slots anymore because the rest of my lows are proto anyway". How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10592	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:57:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2150	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:59:00 - [3] - Quote I use it on one of my proto Caldari fits and I have maxed core skills even :/ I dunno... I also use it on one of my Dragonfly Scout suits when I pack the equipment slots with high-end prox explosives. I suggest changing them to high slot, to complement the CPU upgrade being low-slot. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2964	Posted - 2014.07.17 13:59:00 - [4] - Quote No CPU cost. High Slots. Fixed. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4442	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:01:00 - [5] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: I use it on one of my proto Caldari fits and I have maxed core skills even :/ I dunno... I also use it on one of my Dragonfly Scout suits when I pack the equipment slots with high-end prox explosives. Can you share the fit? "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10592	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:02:00 - [6] - Quote Anyways, the main problem with PG Extenders is that (in the case Armor Tankers), using them requires you to sacrafice your main "tank" style, be it HP Modules or Repairers. Moving it to the High Slot will fix this, but it would cause an indirect nerf on Shield Tanking, as the Extenders are PG intensive, nearly forcing you to run one for a decent buffer. Though the amount of PG yielded could use a buff too.... The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4442	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:02:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2150	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:03:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Can you share the fit? A lazy fit, could probably be better but... SB-39 RR Bolt Pistol Adv Cloak K-2 Nanohives Four Complex Shield Extenders Complex Reactive Plate (yeah yeah there's my mistake right here :P But I'm determined to make reactives viable) A militia PG upgrade? I could probably slap in a Kal RR if I swap the PG Upgrade for something slightly higher. EDIT: Obviously the Proto Cal Scout fit, the rest I don't remember off the top of my head... Oh yeah and I think Locus Grenades? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 979	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:06:00 - [9] - Quote Sometimes I think this game needs Mid slots to be actually balanced Shield VS armor makes me use my few low slots to survive instead of PG upgrades on my shield suits.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3009	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:07:00 - [10] - Quote In favor of moving to HS. In favor of eliminating CPU requirement. When I use PG Upgrade (which is seldom) it is to fit one or two pieces of decent gear on a bad suit. For example, my "suicide uplink" suit is a Dragonfly Scout. PG Upgrade permits me to run a prototype uplink alongside PG-intensive biotic modules. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2450	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:15:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... Could you have them reduce the endurance cost of sprinting? So they would partially be like an endurance mod, but in the highslot combined with the ability of making your punch a bit harder.
TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 0	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:24:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... Terrible? HAH a few days ago i met a guy with about 500 melee damage, being "Chuck Norris" all over the place. Shotgunner for life.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2451	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:31:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Please speak your mind about it, I am particularly interested in players who actually use it, and for what purpose. What kind of fitting can be made better with a PG upgrade? My personal experience is usually, "hmm, I need PG to pack stuff into my low slots, then I don't have the slots anymore because the rest of my lows are proto anyway". How can they be of use in the current environment? Give way more PG, be high slot, cost no CPU? Feel free to brainstorm. Wouldn't we want to boil its bonus down to being able to provide more than its 'spent' slot's worth of bonus? Possibilities: -gives shield recharge (or delay) bonus in addition to PG boost. -Boosts efficacy of damage mods. -increases all weapon specialization effects? -Serves as a kind of nanite reserve that boost starting ammo. -Boosts suit skill based resists -Damage control esque: Shield delay is reduced by armor deficit % (50% armor = 50% shield delay [not depletion delay]) -gives armor resists against projectile, explosive, and rail weapons. (CPU could give shields slightly stronger resists to plasma/laser). -like damage control it could increase base suit HP making bleed out after death more difficult.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2499	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:31:00 - [14] - Quote Move PG modules to high in dropsuit, mean that vehicle PG modules must be moved to high as well? Because vehicles are the only place where i need PG mods, in dropsuit i try to fit everything within the limits, if i can't fit something on STD, i change to ADV and so on, if it's not possible even with PRO suit, then i change the fitting (first of all i put a cheap weapon), in vehicle there is no possibility and you must fit PG/CPU mod. My vote: move PG to the high modules, move also codebreakers, the high modules choice is poor, something more would help diversity. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communist who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 713	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:33:00 - [15] - Quote Should they require CPU to fit? I've always wondered why that was. Maybe myro stims need a bonus to stamina or something. I vaguely recal recieving a special myro stim that did this from way back. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1507	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:33:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? well you can still melee while cloaked
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2904	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:34:00 - [17] - Quote I use them occasionally. It's just rare my limiting factor is power grid. Whereas I have had a CPU upgrade on almost every fit I run for ages. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Waka Waka-Waka Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:35:00 - [18] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? well you can still melee while cloaked Oooooh really?
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 581	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:36:00 - [19] - Quote As others mentioned, I use PG upgrades to put something good on a low-end suit. I use them more than CPU extenders...but I rarely go out in these suits so it's neither here nor there. CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... In all honesty, their only use is to make a novelty fit - some have had real fun with this - stacking them on a cloaked commando etc. Really...there is no way to make them better IMO - when is it ever gonna be better to run something that boosts melee damage over something else. Give them some other bonus too? The melee boost is still pointless IMHO, without a game mode that is melee only. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 662	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:38:00 - [20] - Quote I use them on my super equipment fits and my speed hacking fits. Both Min Logi suits. I get 116 or so PG with Core Skills maxed. It's the only way I can have all 4 equipment slots be top tier Proto (not just the standard Proto stuff), and carry my Freedom MD. The suit is very squishy based on current standards, so I have to use Complex Extenders, which eat PG, as well as the Core Focused Repair Tool, Wyrkomi Triage Hives, etc. Don't have the exact numbers since I'm not at home. If you want PG and Myofibrils and such to be more useful and used, make Mid-Slots for the suits. No one will give up a basic plate for a PG upgrade. I do, to play my role better, but it nerfs my suit at the same time. Do I stack eHP to be able to make it to cover since everything kills you from crazy range now, or do I play my role "properly" and die in that role more often? Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V

Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2451	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:38:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... Also, why are we committed to their original design choice of meleeing? As far as kills go, it seems like an extremely ineffective strategy. To be fast enough to catch people you have to be light enough to move that fast, which means you don't often have the HP to survive an encounter to melee. Unless...they reduced the movement speed penalty from armor...?
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 464	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:39:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... you could fix those by adding movement speed bonus. so that a full biotic fit is possible using kincats, card regs, and the stims to become faster, stronger, longer lasting...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4993	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:43:00 - [23] - Quote They'd be useful as %age upgrades, not a fixed amount. Plus, Minmatar suits are the most likely to need them, whilst not having the lows to fit them. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1213	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:02:00 - [24] - Quote Personally because I always try to play within the suits means then I have little need for PG upgrades. I see them as a boost for newer players while they're getting their system skills up. After all, they sacrifice a slot to enhance another with is less efficient than receiving the benefits from 2 slots. "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 59	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:05:00 - [25] - Quote Move them to high slots Fixed. Max level brony. My special magic is trolling.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2341	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:09:00 - [26] - Quote I use them on lower-tier dropsuits to cram more advanced gear into them. CPM1 Underdog *Greedy Bastards*
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8819	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:15:00 - [27] - Quote I'd say it's definitely the by-product of the STD/ADV/PRO dropsuit tiers. If you need more PG, you simply move up a tier. Once you get to PRO with max fitting skills you can pretty much fit anything. When you look at vehicles or even ships in EVE that do not have this whole STD/ADV/PRO thing going on, you see more use of PG upgrade modules. So, I mean, unless you're interested in removing all tiers in dropsuits and having the only progression be the suit bonuses per level (which I somehow doubt you are) then there's not much you can do that wouldn't have a ripple effect on other things. Suits can generally get all the PG they need. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1597	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:18:00 - [28] - Quote make them capable of being used in both high and low slots All Hail Legion
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 881	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:22:00 - [29] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Atiim wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: As must be very well known, the singularly least used module in all of the DUST 514 economy is the PG Upgrade. Even less than Myrofibril Stimulants? They are similarly terrible . We are trying to figure out a way to make those poor suckers useful as well... Id recommend a 25% buff of meele dmg on all suits ive been using them a lot lately and tbh they arnt far off from being op compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 581	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:24:00 - [30] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: make them capable of being used in both high and low slots Now that there sounds useful. Do the same for CPU boost mods. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz



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