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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11051
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Posted - 2014.07.16 22:47:00 -
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From Skype, with the holy Sgt Kirk:
[1:36:09 AM] Sgt Kirk: What's even worse is that the defense modules are immensely easier to fit than the support modules and MISC modules
[1:36:33 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: ^
[1:36:38 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: 15PG for a kin cat?
[1:37:09 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: 11PG for a codebreaker? With 45 CPU?
[1:37:24 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: And that codebreaker shaves off 2 seconds~
[1:37:25 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: lawl
[1:39:37 AM] Sgt Kirk: Yeah, seriously. It cost more PG to put on a Kin Kat than a complex Armor Repair
[1:39:51 AM] Sgt Kirk: You know how fucked up that is?
[1:40:14 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: ^
[1:40:42 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: And what the fuck is up with codebreakers? 2 seconds?
[1:40:44 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: Really?
[1:40:49 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: For the same CPU/PG as an armor repairer?
[1:41:03 AM] Sgt Kirk: 2 whole seconds and it only requires you to fuck over your entire suit
[1:41:28 AM] Sgt Kirk: Jee CCP I so ever wonder why people dual tank so much in this game... -_-
[1:43:34 AM] Schr+¦dinger's Cat: ^
CCP's solution: Increase every suit's CPU/PG to extreme levels. (Soon the Assault will join the rest)
Now EVERYONE can dual tank! 
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
646
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:12:00 -
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I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor?
Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
Dark Taboo
745
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:13:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor?
because it's wrong thats why...
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11052
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:14:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor?
300 shields and 300 armor?
Sounds like a scout to me.
A scout should not have 600HP.
And you just showed exactly why dual tanking has no place in here.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
346
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:21:00 -
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Eh, who are yall to decree what has no place here? Thats customization at work.
And Sgt Kirk do you even play or do you just visit forums to spread your old man "get off my lawn" rants.
All you dudes do is *****. |
Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2805
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:21:00 -
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The way I see it is why not... You get more hp and even if you don't dual tank the scouts will still be faster and have 2 equipment slots..the only class that shouldn't dual tank are scouts there the ones made for speed.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6557
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:25:00 -
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It sounds like defensive modules need a CPU/PG rebalance (increase) as well as a rebalance for support and utility modules (decrease).
but doing that would require you to literally change all those numbers, consider the suits and equipment/ weapons. Not only that but you'd have to rebalance weapon damage as well, which would not take a huge patch to do, youre literally changing numbers around but its a lot of work so we probably won't get there.
see you space cowboy...
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6557
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:26:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Eh, who are yall to decree what has no place here? Thats customization at work.
And Sgt Kirk do you even play or do you just visit forums to spread your old man "get off my lawn" rants.
All you dudes do is *****.
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
That's some grade a material right there.
see you space cowboy...
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Yeeeuuuupppp
uptown456
Dark Taboo
478
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:26:00 -
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I dual tank because, I didn't get level five shield abs Arthur upgrades to not use them
Rage Proficiency V
Mic status: Muted
Storage Wars Champion.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
346
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:27:00 -
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Can you answer the question? |
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11055
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:27:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Eh, who are yall to decree what has no place here? Thats customization at work.
And Sgt Kirk do you even play or do you just visit forums to spread your old man "get off my lawn" rants.
All you dudes do is *****.
"Customization"
Half of the modules in the game aren't touched because dual tanking is too effective.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6557
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:28:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:Can you answer the question?
Cat, Merc. Can you answer this Pleb's question for me please. I'd greatly appreciate it.
see you space cowboy...
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3067
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:28:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor? 300 shields and 300 armor? Sounds like a scout to me. A scout should not have 600HP. And you just showed exactly why dual tanking has no place in here.
600 EHP in a Minmatar Scout suit what the hell. My PRO minmatar assault reaches 312 SHP and 224 AHP
(536 EHP)
Has used up 98% of my fitting power and can't even afford me ADV grenades.
But I do get 7HP/s armour repair
And 46 HP/s Shield Repair.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11055
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:30:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Can you answer the question? Cat, Merc. Can you answer this Pleb's question for me please. I'd greatly appreciate it.
Gladly.
Sgt Krik is probably the best PLC user in the game, and consistently stomps in/with underpowered gear.
He's been here since Mordu's Private Trials.
He can wipe the floor clean with you.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Happy Violentime
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
698
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:33:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Eh, who are yall to decree what has no place here? Thats customization at work.
And Sgt Kirk do you even play or do you just visit forums to spread your old man "get off my lawn" rants.
All you dudes do is *****. "Customization" Half of the modules in the game aren't touched because dual tanking is too effective.
I dual tank because my low slots are full of damps, maybe move them to highs and then I can just fill the lows on my gal scout with armour - problem solved?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11921
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:38:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Can you answer the question? Cat, Merc. Can you answer this Pleb's question for me please. I'd greatly appreciate it. Gladly. Sgt Krik is probably the best PLC user in the game, and consistently stomps in/with underpowered gear. He's been here since Mordu's Private Trials. He can wipe the floor clean with you.
Pfff you take that up with Ceej Mantis, Hally Tari Tari, or Commander Marquess...... it's not that I don't doubt you are a badass with Gallente tech...... but those three were blessed with Godplasma..... I've never seen anything like it.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
646
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:40:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor? 300 shields and 300 armor? Sounds like a scout to me. A scout should not have 600HP. And you just showed exactly why dual tanking has no place in here.
I'm a Min Logi thank you. Second lowest HP suit in the game. 3 shield extenders and two plates, plus a regulator and precision and profile dampeners. Gives me roughly 360 shields and 340 armor. Why is this wrong?
Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Gentlemen's.Club
4621
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Posted - 2014.07.16 23:41:00 -
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Did people not notice this till now, is this some sort of big revelation.
Earn 500Mil ISK(Updated)
Gentlemen's Club "No poors allowed"
Chat Channel: Vik PC
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6560
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:10:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Did people not notice this till now, is this some sort of big revelation.
I've been ranting about this for a long time now but I eventually gave up trying to talk reason into CCP a year ago. It seemed they didn't care nor, knew how to fix the game.
Now, with Ratti I actually felt like there's a chance he and his team may be the one to finally get some of the very basic stuff right.
Huge fan of the game, since 2012 so I'm a little passionate about this game so naturally I get a little more than pissed when I saw them making stupid mistake after stupid mistake left and right while listening to people that have no clue what they are talking about (AKA "Pleb")
Ratti is about the biggest breath of fresh air since I got my Gallente Assault suit in uprising.
see you space cowboy...
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
288
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:11:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor?
Lore. EVE lore was developed to define the racial combat philosophies. The only race that should be dual tanking is the Minmatar.
THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2805
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:12:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:Can you answer the question? Cat, Merc. Can you answer this Pleb's question for me please. I'd greatly appreciate it. Gladly. Sgt Krik is probably the best PLC user in the game, and consistently stomps in/with underpowered gear. He's been here since Mordu's Private Trials. He can wipe the floor clean with you.
The only thing he can wipe is my ass.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3578
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:15:00 -
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Its because everything else is just crap. Damage mods have beeing nerfed into the ground and there is no reason anymore to use them over shield extenders. And the ewar stuff only really works on scouts cause medium frames ewar capabilitys are crap. Well maybe in the future i see speed hacking caldari heavys with 4 codebreakers in the highslots. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6560
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:19:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote:I have never understood the issue with dual tanking, then again I'm just a squishy Matari trying to support and fight in a heavy and unscannable scout world. Why is it wrong for me to have 300 shields and 300 armor? Lore. EVE lore was developed to define the racial combat philosophies. The only race that should be dual tanking is the Minmatar.
Quite Right. Minmatar should have the only suits that allow you to pick one or the other or maybe both in some cases I guess.
The whole Link between, and feel of New Eden in DUST is completely fractures because Shanghi (my scapegoat) decided to throw lore out the window and do everything for the LOL FPS CoD attention.
If I didn't tweet Rattis horn enough ill have to say again that thanks to him I can now at least somewhat regen active tank like a Gallente is supposed to do instead of just stack plates and hope for the best.
While it may not be perfect at least its not a completely terrible idea now and to that I thank Ratti.
see you space cowboy...
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
4405
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:20:00 -
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It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6560
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:26:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468.
4/6/8 seems like a really good point, although most people would say 3/5/7 is more reasonable, which I can't really blame them but I don't think it would be enough to mean anything so I choose 4/6/8 damage mods.
Also, are you still considering Codebreakers for high slots?
And if defensive mods are going to be increased like you said will damage mods finally find their way in the low slots?
*I apologize for the barrage of questions*
see you space cowboy...
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Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2926
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:27:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468.
3/5/8 sounds best to me actually...
My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
648
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:29:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468.
You want to make it more difficult for the squishy Minmatar suits to survive, while lowering TTK? Everyone ran stacked damage mods for a long time, and it was the worst Dust has ever been. I stopped playing for months when the MD didn't work and TTK was measured in negative numbers. Dark times they were...
Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3621
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:29:00 -
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Make dmg mods worth it again -_-
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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Fizzer94
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2929
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:30:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468. You want to make it more difficult for the squishy Minmatar suits to survive, while lowering TTK? Everyone ran stacked damage mods for a long time, and it was the worst Dust has ever been. I stopped playing for months when the MD didn't work and TTK was measured in negative numbers. Dark times they were...
It was better than having everyone brick tank...
Useless modules are bad, even if you don't like them.
My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11926
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Posted - 2014.07.17 00:30:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's something we want to fix, first was in alpha to get other plates incentivized. I truly believe that the best way is to make hp modules the most expensive to fit and I agree with reducing the kincats/codebreakers and other alternatives dramatically. We already announced some of those in charlie even. we need to buff dmg mods again, to 357 or 468.
NO! Just NO!
Where are the heat sink modules? Gyrostablisers? Etc etc.....
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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