I can theoretically kill lots with a armor hive and an ammo hive...

Just make the logi and assault the same suit already, let people decide by slot modules/equipment what they want to do (logi or Slayer) and get rid of those stupid logi-bonuses.

haha are you kidding?

Atleast you make a distinction between logi/Slayer, Like in fitting equipment will use necessary CPU/PG to make a slayer fit. People are still going to use scouts for assaults anyway.

The reason I rallied this post is because while the Assaults are a defined role, other roles already kill better than them. You will not find a role that can kill better than a heavy, not with the HMG DPS. What you can do however is make the Assault a suit that LOVES to push. Speed helps it keep up with Scouts and use their intel, but don't buff their stamina. A bonus to module effeacy allows Assaults that are hurt to fall back, and then return. Again, not as fast as scouts, but not so frickin slow that they need a Logi to heal, not unless they stack 700 armor.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

I can theoretically kill lots with a armor hive and an ammo hive...

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

Assaults need to have a specific role they're designed around, not some generalist role .

I can theoretically kill lots with a armor hive and an ammo hive...

This sounds like the most unimaginative solution possible.

Why would you go for a second equipment on the slayer over a second grenade, which, you know, would actually help them slay?

I'm sure Fiend knows that your just trying to do your job sir but he does make a point there .

So your tying to fit them in a box ?

The thing that I like about what CCP is doing with the scouts is that they seen where they went wrong and they fixed it , those who use scouts as light assaults would have done so because of their displeasure with the current bonuses that assaults have .. the only one that I like is when they gave the skill for weapons because that let the advanced assault fit damage mods and pro weapons and that's more offense than they were use to without maxing the tree branch , which a lot of newer players could not take advantage of ... so in a since it was giving them a taste of what they could have with the branch investment along with the role bonus ( Like reload skills and such ) , so that gives one incentive to skill more and focus on that role to improve their performance which should be promoted , but what Vrain is doing is not penalizing one for thinking out side the box .. like I use to Caldari assault before I started using Amarr Logi for the side arm and all , for anti-vehicle as well and also ran scanners and e-war while laying spawns , without the shared bonus and sniped also performing more than just frontline assault .. which is how it should be played .

The commando cant really be adaptive and to the EQ question , that suits needs a grenade slot and another EQ slot .. but the assault should be the platform that promotes creative game styles and play and not be constrained by certain role based bonuses that place them in a box , where independent thought is not taken advantage of .

Where there obvious differences are not highlighted , like Gal's ability to armor tank and rep at the same time or the fact that threw using rangers , they can see better or regulators they can gain a shield recharge benefit . Amarr the same and use stamina and kincats .

Causing creative thinking outside the constraints of a " Box " should be promoted and not excluded .

I can understand where he is coming from in his approach and appreciate it as well .

I can theoretically kill lots with a armor hive and an ammo hive...

haha are you kidding?

/!\ Regeneration ability /!\

Leave scouts the ability to tank enough defenses but take away their regenerative prowess, force scouts to use their cloak, speed or mobility to seek longer downtime to recover.

I can assault much better with a ck.0 Scout with 4 shield extenders and 2 shield regulators, at 50 hp/s shield regen and a delay that is under 2 seconds I can maintain my 453 shields throughout multiple engagements, all while my Combat Rifle or ScR chews through any and all opponents.

I should be saying this about my Assault suit and not my scout suit.

Improved regeneration ability allows the Assault to maintain the frontline and have it be priority for defending units to eliminate quickly, because if left alive it can easily kite and outlast any defending heavy by using its mobility and clever use of cover to regenerate it's health and re-engage quicker than it would take a heavy to repair itself.

As an Amarr Assault user I have no use for more health, I need the ability to continuously engage the enemy and maintain a front line, I don't want to be a tanked out heavy I wan't to be a mobile assault force, and I believe that regenerative abilities will allow me to do so; I already run 2 complex reps and 2 plates on my Amarr Assault, but it is still inadequate.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

no equipment slots should be a support thing aka logi....

give them an extra grenade slot!

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

You act like I want them to have a pre made fit that cant be changed, and thats far from the truth. Im saying that as a player, when I go into a Specialty suit, I want to feel like it actually has a specialty. Giving the the Assault a bunch of minor "indirect" bonses doesn't make it a better slayer suit, it just makes it slightly better suit than it was at level 1. Suits should be flexible, yes, thats why we have all these neat modules and slots and equipment to customize with. But when you train into a speciality suit, those bonuses it get should encourage you to use that suit to play a certain role. Giving the Assault "Generalist" roles does not encourage a certain kind of playstyle, and thus I can't agree with it.

Now if you wanted to give generalist bonuses to the Medium Frame? ******* sweet, I love that idea. But the Assault Bonuses should scream "THIS IS THE SUIT YOU WEAR GO TO KILL PEOPLE" and minor upgrades to reload and sprint speed and all kinds of indirect stats doesn't do that. Like I said I don't want to sound like I'm shitting on the idea, because its a pretty legit idea, but Id rather see it applied to Medium Frame suits instead of Assaults specifically.

Interesting Ideas presented so far. I'd like to add my 2 cent.

I feel the Assault class should be representative of the immortal nature of our mercs as well as the motto of constant pressure.

Soooo, the overall Assault suit bonus is a new equipment slot, that is already filled with a nano injector..... that is for use on yourself only. Skilling into the suit increases shields/armor regained when revived. And reduces the cooldown for the skill.

The racially specific part for each suit would be manifested in a cost (isk) reduction (ie 10% per level) so that 'spammin' assault suits would be fiscally viable. Even at proto level. Gallante get isk reduction to Gallente Assaults, etc.

The net result would be people would feel more comfortable pushing objectives as an Assault because:

a) the isk cost of doing so wouldn't be as prohibative if one is suitable skilled into the assault class and

b) the odds of being able to self revive, will again mitigate cost, since you wouldn't lose a suit everytime you died, and would help in pushing of objectives by regaining ones feet.

This is my thoughts on the matter.

I completely disagree. Assault, like Logistics and Sentinels and Scouts, are specialty suits. They're supposed to be focused on a particular facet of gameplay and should have bonuses that push it towards that specific facet. Frame Suits on the other hand ARE generalist suits, so if you applied a bonus like this more towards Frame Suits, Id be a lot more supportive of it. However, Assaults need to have a specific role they're designed around, not some generalist role

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.