Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

Why not add an special equipment for assaults? like the cloak field for Scouts.

For example,"Acceleration module"
if you activate it, you can move faster and jump higher during some period of time, but it enlarges your profile and sounds noisy
Enemies must find you are charging, but you have chance to dodge their bullets and leave them behind with amazing speed!

now Scouts pierce a defense line stealthily, in contrast, new assaults do it recklessn+în+Ö.
Doesn't it sound cool?

Why not add an special equipment for assaults? like the cloak field for Scouts.

For example,"Acceleration module"
if you activate it, you can move faster and jump higher during some period of time, but it enlarges your profile and sounds noisy
Enemies must find you are assaulting, but you have chance to dodge their bullets and leave them behind with amazing speed!

now Scouts pierce a defense line stealthily, in contrast, new assaults do it recklessn+în+Ö.
Doesn't it sound cool?

This is coming together quite nicely

Charlie
YES - More PG/CPU, playing around with numbers, maybe 10% across the board
YES - More EHP, 100 to 150 ehp, racially consistent to shields/armor
YES/NO - Another equipment slot, maybe only ADV and PRO, including the necessary PG/CPU

Delta
Another Role bonus, ROF, damage, TBD, ammo capacity bonus,
Racial efficacy bonuses, f.ex. GA to dmg mods and/or reps, etc.
Caldari reduction to Rail Rifle kick, spool up time
Gallente, ROF(unless role bonus)
Fitting/capacity bonus to Grenades

I can theoretically kill lots with a armor hive and an ammo hive...

Already spoke to CPM0 about this, Devs wont do it because they don't want to add an active equipment module that doesn't have a visual indication that it's active (such as the scout cloaking field effect), and since they can't add any visual indication, they don't want to do it.

why cant Devs add any visual indication? are they too busy to develop new items?

Yes. That and lack of manpower. I suspect the number of people working on Dust now is extremely small.


Plus it would likeley require a client update which isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future.

Thankyou for your answering. I hope DUST development go active again... or Legion is released early.

Well just because new art assets can't be added doesn't mean there are not other cool things we can do to make Dust a better game. Right now the focus should be on balancing what's broken, but in time we can move onto getting a little more creative within our limitations.

Once Scout got 2 why move from that suit to assault (in current state)? It was the same problem when logi assault was a thing - people used this suits for the added equip slots. By giving Assault there is less of a reason for people to be dragged to the other suits. e.g. With Logis having four equip slots those who want to logi will

More HP and PG/CPU are reasonable.

Equipment is a no no. Yes you can argue that a repping nanohive makes you a better slayer, but only for point defense which should not be a trait of the Assault. Assaults need to be extremely mobile killing machines, not something that encourages people to camp / be psudo Sentinels or Logistics.

I strongly advise you to NOT change the rate of fire. Rate of fire is a tool used to control minimum range in weapons, specifically the mentality that lower fire rate is poor for close range (Rail Rifle) where high fire rate is quite good for close range (Assault Rifle). While ROF increases DPS, it also modifies that minimum range. The issue with this is that shorter ranged weapons such as the Assault Rifle will gain close to no benefit from a decrease in minimum range, whereas a Rail Rifle would gain a huge benefit. This causes certain weapons of the same class to benefit from the bonus far better than others. If you want to up DPS, increase the damage per shot, not the fire rate.

Medium Suits as a whole should be focused around powerful HP regeneration. They should have the shortest downtime between engagements and I firmly believe both Assaults and Logistics should share in these defensive capabilities (Logistics to a lesser extent)

Racial Weapon Support skills are great. Yes Commando and Assault are redundant, we can't remove commandos, but don't be afraid to make them similar. Good reload speed makes to Commando proficient with light AV weapons which typically have small magazines, whereas Assaults should get support skills for Anti-Infantry weapons. The magazine size/suppression concept for Commandos is also one worth looking at (just be prepared for Shield HAV pilots calling for nerfs when a Commando runs up with 2 Plasma Cannons that can each fire twice without reloading), but I would still feel comfortable if both Commandos and Assaults received the DPS bonus.

Grenades bonuses are great idea for Assaults.

I'm thinking give them the 2% damage per level that commandos have, and give commandos 20% increased magazine size and max ammo. Then give each assault one bonus for their racial rifle, and one bonus for their racial tank.

This is coming together quite nicely

Charlie
YES - More PG/CPU, playing around with numbers, maybe 10% across the board
YES - More EHP, 100 to 150 ehp, racially consistent to shields/armor
YES/NO - Another equipment slot, maybe only ADV and PRO, including the necessary PG/CPU

Delta
Another Role bonus, ROF, damage, TBD, ammo capacity bonus,
Racial efficacy bonuses, f.ex. GA to dmg mods and/or reps, etc.
Caldari reduction to Rail Rifle kick, spool up time
Gallente, ROF(unless role bonus)
Fitting/capacity bonus to Grenades

Okay so at this point from reading everyone's post

Assaults should have a bonus to damage, while Commandos lose that in exchange for the current Assault bonus (Greater clip size, as well as Rapid Reload and Total Ammo Capacity)

Assaults should have a bonus to regenerative modules possibly switch the regen of Scouts to Assaults.
Assaults should NOT have a Second Equipment

Basic frames should get bonuses to Cores in terms of the original suggestion from Vrain (shout out to you man for starting this whole thread :), aiding in Regen, while the Bonus of the Assaults makes them the best slayer, and logis the best healers

Scouts- Bonuses to EWAR and stealth

Some feel the HP buff is nice, but that the bonuses still have to be good. Come later, added Assault Capacity for grenades.
Assaults lose current weapon bonus? (I'm not sure if this is what people wanted...)

That being said the idea of an increased magazine/ammo capacity for Commandos is growing on me.

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The biggest issue with this however comes down to the Amarr. Since the duration that Amarr weapons can fire is directly linked to heat buildup, the Amarr Commando would gain little from a bigger magazine, as it would need to stop shooting in order to let the weapon cool down first before continuing to fire. The only reasonable way to really counter this is to give them heat reduction, but since that's going to the Assault...it's a messy problem. You could consider shortened seize delay and reduced feedback damage, which could get interesting.

I am not in favor of assaults gaining a second equipment slot at all, as it may have the side effect of making them a little too self-sufficient (or at least a lot more self-sufficient than other roles).

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

First off, I really like the idea in general. I think you're right that by buffing a lot of smaller, 'soft' skills the Assault will become more generalist and adaptive.

Now, for the bonuses I think we need to cull your list a little:
Sprint speed: yep, sounds good. Means at walking speed Scouts still have an advantage but Assaults can push the envelope when running.
Range: no no no, we had this issue in Chromosome (or somewhere early, I forget) where vets would just win all of their fights because of superior range. Now we have effective/optimals, that would be less clear cut, but it would also be dangerous: we'd likely see all kinds of Assaults running Rail Rifles dues to their range extension.
Dispersion: seems reasonable enough.
Reload: yeah, can get behind that. Less than the Commando bonus but still worthwhile.
Shield/Armour recovery: I think this should be separated to being a racial bonus: Minmatar getting improved Shield regen times; Gallente getting rep rate; Caldari getting a minor shield resistance (1%/level to all, or specific types); Amarr getting a minor armour resistance (1%/level to all, or specific types.) All would still get a regenerative bonus but be racially derived.
Ammo capacity: if we're talking reserve, I agree.
Melee: meh, I think you could add it and it would rarely ever be seen anyway!
Resupply rate: interesting, though wouldn't it be more o a Logi bonus, rather than someone gathering ammo faster?
Respawn rate: also interesting. Since this is not the bonus alone, I like it. It means that if you clear an area, the first enemies you are likely to see again will be Assaults.

Overall, +1.

If assaults are going to get an extra equipment slot (which is stupid).


Logis should get a 5%-25% bonus increase per level to their racial equipment.




Logis currently have to compete with scouts,if they're going to compete with assaults (equipment wise) logistics should have an overwhelming advantage,seeing as they sacrifice stats and a weapon for it.

Honest question, what about another equipment slot? Logis still have an advantage due to fitting bonus and cloaky scouts need one for the cloak.

My statement was not based on current state. Assault should be made to be better at applying DPS and having fast regen with a reasonable HP buffer. Adding an equipment slot is not the correct way to fix Assault suits.