I'm tired of headshots with the Charge Sniper Rifle not killing people. Like for real. Dude gets within range on me, and I send a round into the center of his skull at literally 9,000,000 mph (14,484,096 km/h).
And the game is audacious enough to still leave him with 30% of his armor! Nlgga I just removed 30% your brain! I hit the goddamn pineal gland! Fk you!

I'm tired of headshots with the Charge Sniper Rifle not killing people. Like for real. Dude gets within range on me, and I send a round into the center of his skull at literally 9,000,000 mph (14,484,096 km/h).
And the game is audacious enough to still leave him with 30% of his armor! Nlgga I just removed 30% your brain! I hit the goddamn pineal gland! Fk you!

Give the 450% headshot bonus to sniper shots.

Outside the redzone.

I'm tired of headshots with the Charge Sniper Rifle not killing people. Like for real. Dude gets within range on me, and I send a round into the center of his skull at literally 9,000,000 mph (14,484,096 km/h).
And the game is audacious enough to still leave him with 30% of his armor! Nlgga I just removed 30% your brain! I hit the goddamn pineal gland! Fk you!

See the hostility, my fellow snipers? If you dont speak up to CCP Rattati and get some love, no one else will.
Fools in here believe you getting a headshot with the hardest hitting sniper rifle means you didn't earn a kill. Then they call it a technicality and call you a scrub.

Fools, need some reading comprehension before they cry about redline sniping.

My fellow snipers, I am reaching out to you. *howls*
Answer the calllllll of your ally! May the lone wolfers rise up! May the overwatch sniper that guards his unit from above RISE UP! *howls*
Answer the calllll of your ally! May the Will of your Haters be denied! *howls*

You have no place in PC, they say! Your gun has no place on the battlefield, they say! Your purpose and roll is better off replaced with a shotgun, they say!
Their guns are allowed to work with one shot, but they say yours MAY NOT! They envy you... they call this "balance". Will you simply accept this?! *howls*
Answer the calllllll of your ally!

Your gun does a set amount of damage, the target has a set amount of hp, if you do more dmagae than he has hp you win. Get it? Its that way for everyone, and its also not the hardest hitting sniper,

Your gun does a set amount of damage, the target has a set amount of hp, if you do more dmagae than he has hp you win. Get it? Its that way for everyone, and its also not the hardest hitting sniper,

That is the purpose of a headshot, with a sniper rifle. That is the purpose of every gun in this game! To take more HP then your target possesses.

"Yo passion n' antipathy betrays yo fearrr!!"

My fellow snipers, answer the call of your ally! Put out the numbers. Put out the proposals! Do not let the vocal minority haters win again.

A small and dedicated group of you, struggle to play with your weapon of choice. CCP sees your population, but they read your dedication to your weapon incorrectly. They believe you use it because "it's in a good spot". What they do not see, is your sorrow when you are passed over for PC... or when you have to lay your sniper rifle down and use some OTHER weapon because it's more competitive.
Were not Nova Knives in the same position once....?

How about abandoning sniper rifles completely my brethren...? So that CCP understands that the weapon is NOT where you would like it to be?
Answer the callllllll of your ally!

Exactly. No one comes on here QQing about the 'technicality' that someone with 600HP survived because they only did 590HP damage with their Duvolle. Every FPS ever has required that you remove all of someone's HP to kill them. Is that really so hard to grasp?

And that is the point is - it - not?
That the sniper rifle does not remove HP efficiently.
Effectively, yes.
Efficiently, no.

My fellow snipers, why would our enemies not take a sniper rifle short of a Thale's into a PC match...?

In attempting to troll.... thine enemies make thy case for the sniper rifle.
The weapon is a joke. Killing with it... is not enough to silence them... they must be killed by it... efficiently.

Because an immobile sniper up in the hills is not dynamic enough for pc. Things are constantly shifting in pc and you must be also ready to shift.

has no more f*cks to give.

....because snipers took too many turns with him, at some point in his life.

Take your time with those quotes, pumpkin. Dont be so bitter.

My fellow snipers, answer the call of your ally! Contact CCP Rattati.

Because sniper rifles should work better than they do.

IDK, but IMO, headshots with a hard hitting rifle should be OHKOs. Its like with the ScP, you take the time to aim, ou get a better reward.


And the brony has to stop...

Ok, but if you want your ohk machines on every suit then go play cod.

Planetside 2. It puts down. Battlefield 4? Down you go. CoD? EVERYTHING puts down so fast in that game, it may as well be ohk.

Well.. Planetside: extremely low TTK in the first place.
Battlefield: Sniper has drop and delay, it actually takes skill.
CoD: TTK so low that even getting looked at gets you killed.

No dude. I am a sniper, prof 4.

I agree with none of this, why should you OHK every suit in the game from 1-599 meters? I mean seriously, snipers like Pelognis and Nod Keras have been sniping for a long time, and they still are beastly.

This game is all about risk for reward. Sitting 300 meters in the redline is not risky, so is not very rewarding.

Okay, you want concrete.
I propose the following changes to all Tactical Sniper Rifle variants:
- Increase clip size to 5 rounds.
- Reduce optimal range to 175m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 225m.
- Reduce scope zoom by 40%.
- Eliminate "sniper sway" in ADS completely to enable fast tactical firing on the move.
- Increase recoil in ADS by 70% to control follow-up shot spam, and prevent quick-scoping abuse at closer ranges.
- Eliminate 70% recoil penalty if the tactical sniper rifle is used while crouched.
- Reduce damage by 30%.
- Reduce reload time by 20%.

I propose the following changes to Sniper Rifle variants:
- Reduce clip size to 3 rounds. (Militia reduced to 1 round)
- Reduce optimal range to 300m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 420m.
- Eliminate the "sniper sway" delay if the sniper moves in ADS while crouched.
- Reduce recoil by 50%.
- Increase damage by 50%
- Increase headshot damage bonus to 4x.
- Add variable scope zoom.

I propose the following changes to the Charge Sniper Rifle:
- Reduce clip size to 1 round.
- Reduce optimal range to 275m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 375m.
- Increase damage by 100%.
- Increase headshot damage bonus to 10x.
- Increase reload time by 50%
- Reduce maximum carried ammo by 40%
- Add variable scope zoom.
- Add fat, glowing blue streak to projectile path that slowly fades.
- Add distinctive resonating noise.
- Do not permit firing unless fully charged.

How's that for concrete?
Range nerfs bring the snipers closer, but not too close.

The tactical sniper becomes a carefully balanced light sniper, that dedicated snipers can use on slightly closer-in maps, but this advantage is carefully mitigated by a recoil and damage nerf to prevent it from dominating RR, TAR, and SCR in their optimal ranges.

The regular sniper gets a universally powerful 1-2 punch that will put down most (including proto) with its damage and recoil mitigation buffs, but this new power is carefully mitigated by a smaller 3 round clip. To offset this slightly, a variable zoom scope is introduced, and the regular sniper rifle user is now permitted to move while crouched without penalty in ADS.

The charge sniper becomes the finger of God (no disrespect intended to Amarr RPers out there), but is resisted by a Devilishly small 1 round clip, increased reload time, a spectacular and cool looking streak (and sound) that reveals their position, and only 15 rounds max ammo (without ammo buffs).

EDIT: No hip fire reticule is implemented.

A sniper. Someone worthy of discussing this with. At last.

There's the "redline" again. What is that? I don't recall ever bringing that up.
Don't fall for the ad hominem of trolls dude. My post has nothing to do with the redline, nor an "I win button".

(Some people don't assume, when they should; and then they assume incorrectly, when they shouldn't. Don't be like those people.)

It's important that discussion on this gets underway, so that people can know.
Check this out: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166007

While lower tier snipers could indeed use a slight buff, I'm not going to explain why a OHK from any range is a bad idea.
The only exception to this rule should be forge gun, though the perfect accuracy needs to be attended to.

Planetside also has bullet velocities and drop....

Well.. Planetside: extremely low TTK in the first place.
Battlefield: Sniper has drop and delay, it actually takes skill.
CoD: TTK so low that even getting looked at gets you killed.

lol hot damn another one thinking this has to do with the redline?

Did ANYBODY actually read the situation I described in the OP? lol?

Trolls resonate with people WAY too loudly in these forums.

Pay no attention to the trolls ad hominem, please. lol It's meant to distract.



Both of you are correct. We don't have BALLISTICS in Dust. If we had ballistics than a sniper's damage at range wouldn't matter. He deserves his kill.

But Dust has hitscan sniper rifles that are unwieldly, and pointless to use upclose... and in their current shape, they are a headache for people to deal with. They complain about redline snipers. They demand snipers get creative and come up close, yet there is plenty of risk to the sniper at that point, and zero reward.

Ohk for a weapon longer than 100m range is just broken, why do you think everyone hates thales?
And if shotguns weren't bad enough...