Your gun does a set amount of damage, the target has a set amount of hp, if you do more dmagae than he has hp you win. Get it? Its that way for everyone, and its also not the hardest hitting sniper,

Exactly. No one comes on here QQing about the 'technicality' that someone with 600HP survived because they only did 590HP damage with their Duvolle. Every FPS ever has required that you remove all of someone's HP to kill them. Is that really so hard to grasp?

Because an immobile sniper up in the hills is not dynamic enough for pc. Things are constantly shifting in pc and you must be also ready to shift.

has no more f*cks to give.

IDK, but IMO, headshots with a hard hitting rifle should be OHKOs. Its like with the ScP, you take the time to aim, ou get a better reward.


And the brony has to stop...

Ok, but if you want your ohk machines on every suit then go play cod.

No dude. I am a sniper, prof 4.

I agree with none of this, why should you OHK every suit in the game from 1-599 meters? I mean seriously, snipers like Pelognis and Nod Keras have been sniping for a long time, and they still are beastly.

This game is all about risk for reward. Sitting 300 meters in the redline is not risky, so is not very rewarding.

Okay, you want concrete.
I propose the following changes to all Tactical Sniper Rifle variants:
- Increase clip size to 5 rounds.
- Reduce optimal range to 175m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 225m.
- Reduce scope zoom by 40%.
- Eliminate "sniper sway" in ADS completely to enable fast tactical firing on the move.
- Increase recoil in ADS by 70% to control follow-up shot spam, and prevent quick-scoping abuse at closer ranges.
- Eliminate 70% recoil penalty if the tactical sniper rifle is used while crouched.
- Reduce damage by 30%.
- Reduce reload time by 20%.

I propose the following changes to Sniper Rifle variants:
- Reduce clip size to 3 rounds. (Militia reduced to 1 round)
- Reduce optimal range to 300m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 420m.
- Eliminate the "sniper sway" delay if the sniper moves in ADS while crouched.
- Reduce recoil by 50%.
- Increase damage by 50%
- Increase headshot damage bonus to 4x.
- Add variable scope zoom.

I propose the following changes to the Charge Sniper Rifle:
- Reduce clip size to 1 round.
- Reduce optimal range to 275m.
- Reduce maximum effective range to 375m.
- Increase damage by 100%.
- Increase headshot damage bonus to 10x.
- Increase reload time by 50%
- Reduce maximum carried ammo by 40%
- Add variable scope zoom.
- Add fat, glowing blue streak to projectile path that slowly fades.
- Add distinctive resonating noise.
- Do not permit firing unless fully charged.

How's that for concrete?
Range nerfs bring the snipers closer, but not too close.

The tactical sniper becomes a carefully balanced light sniper, that dedicated snipers can use on slightly closer-in maps, but this advantage is carefully mitigated by a recoil and damage nerf to prevent it from dominating RR, TAR, and SCR in their optimal ranges.

The regular sniper gets a universally powerful 1-2 punch that will put down most (including proto) with its damage and recoil mitigation buffs, but this new power is carefully mitigated by a smaller 3 round clip. To offset this slightly, a variable zoom scope is introduced, and the regular sniper rifle user is now permitted to move while crouched without penalty in ADS.

The charge sniper becomes the finger of God (no disrespect intended to Amarr RPers out there), but is resisted by a Devilishly small 1 round clip, increased reload time, a spectacular and cool looking streak (and sound) that reveals their position, and only 15 rounds max ammo (without ammo buffs).

EDIT: No hip fire reticule is implemented.

While lower tier snipers could indeed use a slight buff, I'm not going to explain why a OHK from any range is a bad idea.
The only exception to this rule should be forge gun, though the perfect accuracy needs to be attended to.

Planetside also has bullet velocities and drop....

Well.. Planetside: extremely low TTK in the first place.
Battlefield: Sniper has drop and delay, it actually takes skill.
CoD: TTK so low that even getting looked at gets you killed.

Ohk for a weapon longer than 100m range is just broken, why do you think everyone hates thales?
And if shotguns weren't bad enough...

Jathniel, you can complain that people are mentioning the redline all you like but it is still relevant. If you do a direct buff to snipers, you also directly buff redline sniping.
If snipers could be forced out of the redline I'd quite happily support some buffing. Nothing like some of the absurd buffs I've seen suggested in the past (820 damage per shot from a charge sniper rifle is not reasonable) but some moderate buffs would be worth considering.

I'd agree with you if everyone wasn't against you.

No no no no no, this overly biased.

Snipers
1 Light Weapon
1 Sidearm
1 Hive
1 Uplink

Assaults
1 Light Weapon
1 Sidearm
1 Grenade
1 Equipment

Both roles are pretty much the same, nor is this important as SP should not be a balancing factor between roles.
The problems with Snipers are simple

As a Sniper
1) Not enough damage at lower tiers
2) Lack of variable zoom

As a target
1) Redline

Therefore the fix is simple, raisemthe base damage of STD and ADV rifiles, incorporate the ability to change between 3 zoom levels on all rifles.

Reduce range to 200m Optimal, 250m Effective

Jathaniel, you should not be 1 shotting ANYONE EVER, if you are skilled sniper hitting a moving target twice should not be that difficult.

It has to do with what we do and do not want from snipers. Most of us simply do not want snipers more powerful and you do. What you are seeing that is so ugly is disagreement with your ideas. Call it what you want. Most of this community is fine with snipers. There are loads of games dedicated to them, go play those. Dont get mad when your ideas are rejected.

I didn't see anything concrete here, increase headshot multiplier, range, make other snipers than Thale's powerful, increase scope zoom....

Anecdotally I haven't been killed by a sniper in ages, get picked off once in a blue moon if I am careless and in open under half hp. I need to look at the numbers, but sniper use is very stable, none of the rifles or new weapons have had a meaningful impact on the use of sniper rifles, so it's a steady group of people who like to snipe apparantly, I am not even sure they venture into Tac AR or SCR at all.

Feel free to share, we have no specific hate/love with snipers, they should have a viable place on the battlefield like all of our weapons.

Look you crying a$$ noob, all that **** you are talking about we deal with also. Bullets not registering, bad hit, detection etc, etc. The diffrence is we are boots on the ground in the fight risking life and isk, and while we are fighting we are not kneelimg down on some high tower. We are dodging enemy fire that may or may not register, side stepping grenades, strafing back and forth, looking for the other guy we dont see, trying not to get ran over by lavs, shot by tanks, or killed by some noob sniper in the redline. You are not in the fight if you are a sniper, you are a spectator that can disproportionately affect the outcome of the battle between my self and someone else with little to no risk involved. Get off the redline, get off the sniper tit, get in the fight and get good.

Well that was fun lol.

I didnt say they disproportionately affect the out come of the game. Rather in instances they affect the outcome of a single battle between myself and some other actual warrior with reflexes and the need for hand eye coordination with the risk for his personal well being, the outcome of my goal, his stats, his isk, his pride, and you get to shoot me while low on health take his kill, cause you look for weakened armor right?

I mean thats, the profiency for the sniper and all. Now what did you risk by sitting back there, up there, or wherever and eating popcorn with your right hand on a mouse, chilling? You want to talk about being afraid to die? Why do you think your kind sets in the redline?

Fear of losing the proto gear they use? How many snipers are using adv and std level weapons? In pubs as you say why? Because you are not dynamic enough players. Pc is an ever changing meta, boots on the ground can quickly swap roles, and with that being said I have seen great snipers, ive even seen snipers in PC, pubs also.

Give Wulfgard a Thales on Manus Peaks. Put SymbioticForks ANYWHERE, Ive seen him beast on Peaks, Fracture Road, Iron Delta. With a charge no less. Watch FunkmasterWhale on Skim Junction setting up on those rings, going Ham with a forge, ewwwww.... You know the real problem here? You arent that good.... Im talking about guys consistently putting up huge numbers every game, 20 or 30 kills. Then just go look at their kdr, if they arent dying whats that say about their isk? More importantly, what does it say about you? You dont want an I win button you want a help me get a kill button.