lol hot damn another one thinking this has to do with the redline?

Did ANYBODY actually read the situation I described in the OP? lol?

Trolls resonate with people WAY too loudly in these forums.

Pay no attention to the trolls ad hominem, please. lol It's meant to distract.



Both of you are correct. We don't have BALLISTICS in Dust. If we had ballistics than a sniper's damage at range wouldn't matter. He deserves his kill.

But Dust has hitscan sniper rifles that are unwieldly, and pointless to use upclose... and in their current shape, they are a headache for people to deal with. They complain about redline snipers. They demand snipers get creative and come up close, yet there is plenty of risk to the sniper at that point, and zero reward.

Let me break it down for you:

Snipers

• Caldari Commando V
• Handheld Weapon Upgrades V
• Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V
• Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V
• Dropsuit Engineering III
• Dropsuit Electronics III
• Profile Dampening V
• Nanocircuitry V
• Drop Uplink Deployment V
• Systems Hacking V
• Sniper Rifle Operation V
• Sniper Rifle Proficiency V
• Sniper Rifle Ammo Capacity V
• Secondary Weapon V
• Secondary Weapon Proficiency I

Total: 13,562,300 SP

Assault

• Assault Dropsuit V
• Handheld Weapon Upgrades III
• Dropsuit Armor Upgrades V
• Dropsuit Shield Upgrades V
• Primary HP Module V
• Primary HP Support Module V
• Secondary HP Module V
• Active Scanner Operation V
• Nanocircuitry V
• Grenadier V
• Primary Weapon V
• Primary Weapon Proficiency V
• Secondary Weapon V
• Secondary Weapon Proficiency I

Total: 11,559,980

As you can clearly see, the Sniper Role is more SP intensive than the Assault Role is. However, the margin is so small (2m SP is not much in the grand scheme of things) that it doesn't make a meaningful difference.

Not to mention, that for reasons I've stated plenty of times, how intensive a role is in terms of SP is not a valid point when discussing balance. Moving on now.

With quality posts like this, I just can't believe this person has had 1000+ likes on the forums so far.
Not that likes matter. Guess it's just a reminder of the nature of the Internetz.

@Civil people

It should be entirely possible to get a coherent analysis of the present state of snipers together. From there, it ought to be possible to discuss this in a more reasonable fashion and get a proposal that might actually be looked at by someone who matters.

As frustrating as sniping may be to you, this started off as a rant thread and was met with similarly low quality responses. Some good started to develop out of it as a small number of people started to begin thinking with a modicum of intelligence about the problem.
It was never going to become a thread genuinely worth looking at for smart proposals about where snipers should go though.

So I suggest that if you're really concerned about the role of sniping, you should cool off and in a civilised manner put together some correct statements and build a proposal out of that.
I might do that myself.

Ranting in GD only enhances the perception of snipers as whiners and makes people think that nothing serious should be done. Come back with a decent argument presented in a manner that isn't blatantly biased and people might be more inclined to listen.

The thing with snipers is that they are only viable at long ranges (please read the rest)

Everyone keeps saying that snipers need to come out of the redline or into the fray, but it is literally suicide to do that as any rifle will do better in the heat of battle. Scrambler rifles, combat rifles, and more importantly, rail rifles (90 meter range) outperforms the sniper rifle where it's supposed to shine. I woild propose a few changes similar to what others have been saying:

-Reduce absolute range to ~200-250 meters, allowing it to outrange the orher rifles and still have a relatively long range
-increase damage only marginally (maybe 10-20 damage)
-increase headshot multiplier marginally (add about 10%)

These are only suggestions, so numbers may change