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843-Vika wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

He did get one thing right..... I don't think many tankers are happy with where there tanks are at.

((not saying that they need to be buffed or anything just redesigned, IMO to be fit and operate more like an EVE ship sans the point and click.))

You're 100% right, tankers and ADS flyers are not happy at all, and when it comes to ADS they have every right to be wanting it fixed.

Tankers want their tanks to be a rolling end game where nothing short of a stronger tank can kill them, and to hell with the people who spent weeks and months getting there proto AV gear.
What is the point of there being Forge Guns ans Swarm Launchers and AV nades in the game if they are not going to be effective against what they were made for? That is the point that 75% tankers that say tanks need to be buffed do not see, the AV weapons were put in the game so people who don't want to skill into tanks have something they can use against them.

The best part is that if it were only tanks that can destroy other tanks then it comes down to which side gets there maxed out damage rail tank in first, because which ever side does can easily prevent the other team from calling any tanks ot lav or drop ships with their ungodly range.

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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1054	Posted - 2014.07.10 19:55:00 - [151] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: a crew of 4 ADV lvl forge gunners could take out my best anti AV tank after a minute or two as it should be taking down a tank in a game like dust SHLOULD ALWAYS BE A TEAM EFFORT AND NEVER BE ABLE TO BE DONE SOLO NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO YOUR AV While this looks like a flame thread at first, a detailed reading leads me to believe it is in fact genuine. This character is from May 2013, and has a realistic corp history including tankers unite. SO lets at least start with a fair reading and response. And Im guessing my posting will summon Taka to the thread, and I apologise in advance for that. So you propose that it take 4 people several minutes to kill a tank. In other words the entire enemy team running nothing but dedicated AV to destroy 4 players on your team in tanks, leaving the other 12 to run anti infantry? How does this one point seem realistically fun for all involved? Actually, this guy associates himself with Duna. Additionally, I liken this guy to Taka, so no need to apologize as they are both on the same page. This guy is simply upset / butthurt over the fact that he can no longer go 30 - 0 with a blaster tank. KDR farmers, nothing to see here. While I'm in agreement that tanks have a VERY limited impact on the field as a whole as a result, and often times are not nearly as useful in competitive environments like PC (Pretty sure a team can go without them, and focus on AV if a team is stupid enough to call them out in bulk), the changes were still needed in the short term. The problem I see is that tanks have basically no role to fulfill on the field other than dealing with other tanks. But if a tank no longer makes a large impact on the field, why even bother? 2 forms of turrets are solely AV focused, with the 3rd (blaster) now falling more on an AV role. So what's the point? I struggle to find a reason to run them anymore in light of other options available that will have a much larger impact on the field in the long run. And some may argue, small turrets, but still they don't always have the impact I would like or expect for requiring a second operator (or 3rd). While they can be quite a force on the field with smalls equipped, the sacrifices you make (not to mention the insane costs you add) to your tank just don't seem worth it. I'm talking of course here the PG/CPU limitations you run into trying to equip them, that force you to equip a much smaller tank. Given changes to AV, this can be VERY costly, and very unreliable when you attempt to face AV. Gunners can be very limited by many factors; movement, hardeners (blinding them basically), LOS, targeting, ect. Namely though, the cost efficiency and the PG/CPU limiting factors. Now that tanks aren't the murder factories they once were, some serious thought needs to be put into how easily a tank should be able to fit guns on. I'm thinking it needs to be much easier to fit, with less cost overall. It would be nice if I could fit 2 guns and fit for some pretty decent tank to make my tank a force to be reckoned with, at the cost of 3 people running infantry suits. I think that might be fair given that AV is in a much better spot than before. As it stands now, with my best Tanky tank, I'm still not invincible, tough yes, but easily pushed back by more than one AV user. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.07.10 20:44:00 - [152] - Quote Tanker Tears Tea........Made From The Best Stuff In New Eden
PANDA UZIMAKI SINISTER DEATH SQUAD 52	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:04:00 - [153] - Quote I would tell you all where you are wrong because us tankers simply are always right but I wont because I don't have time for you right now maybe later. like my friend said AV "nigxggas will never be satisfied until they can 1shot you with a sniper rifle at full health all hardeners on"
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 436	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:06:00 - [154] - Quote PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: I would tell you all where you are wrong because us tankers simply are always right but I wont because I don't have time for you right now maybe later. like my friend said AV "nigxggas will never be satisfied until they can 1shot you with a sniper rifle at full health all hardeners on" why are you such a racist piece of sh!t?
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 25	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:17:00 - [155] - Quote PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: I would tell you all where you are wrong because us tankers simply are always right but I wont because I don't have time for you right now maybe later. like my friend said AV "nigxggas will never be satisfied until they can 1shot you with a sniper rifle at full health all hardeners on" THIS COMMENT IS FOR SCRUB TANKERS THAT THINK LIKE PANDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If scrub a$$ tankers like you were always right then Dust 514 would have been shut down long time ago because no one would want to play it. I watched the little video this scrub posted and it was 24 minutes of him being a coward shoot a mini rail turret in an ADS ( side mounted turret not main turret ) and them him trying to tank and getting them both destroyed . Saw no skill in his tanking except him trying to use triple repers on his tank. To be honest i think Dust is the most balanced it has ever been. Sure it still need some fine tuning, like fixing cloaking and forge gun blanks but it is very well balanced. I can say this because i have been playing since week 1 of closed beta and i have gone through some whacked out sh!t in this game, when it comes to being unbalanced.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound 8	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:19:00 - [156] - Quote PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: I would tell you all where you are wrong because us tankers simply are always right but I wont because I don't have time for you right now maybe later. like my friend said AV "nigxggas will never be satisfied until they can 1shot you with a sniper rifle at full health all hardeners on" Obviously you and your friend ride the same bus to school, the short one.. Please stop posting more stuff on the forums you make yourself look really dumb
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11754	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:23:00 - [157] - Quote He did get one thing right..... I don't think many tankers are happy with where there tanks are at. ((not saying that they need to be buffed or anything just redesigned, IMO to be fit and operate more like an EVE ship sans the point and click.)) "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 76	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:29:00 - [158] - Quote Dayum you guys have some good points I need dem debating skills
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 26	Posted - 2014.07.10 22:52:00 - [159] - Quote True Adamance wrote: He did get one thing right..... I don't think many tankers are happy with where there tanks are at. ((not saying that they need to be buffed or anything just redesigned, IMO to be fit and operate more like an EVE ship sans the point and click.)) You're 100% right, tankers and ADS flyers are not happy at all, and when it comes to ADS they have every right to be wanting it fixed. Tankers want their tanks to be a rolling end game where nothing short of a stronger tank can kill them, and to hell with the people who spent weeks and months getting there proto AV gear. What is the point of there being Forge Guns ans Swarm Launchers and AV nades in the game if they are not going to be effective against what they were made for? That is the point that 75% tankers that say tanks need to be buffed do not see, the AV weapons were put in the game so people who don't want to skill into tanks have something they can use against them. The best part is that if it were only tanks that can destroy other tanks then it comes down to which side gets there maxed out damage rail tank in first, because which ever side does can easily prevent the other team from calling any tanks ot lav or drop ships with their ungodly range.
PANDA UZIMAKI SINISTER DEATH SQUAD 52	Posted - 2014.07.10 22:56:00 - [160] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: True Adamance wrote: He did get one thing right..... I don't think many tankers are happy with where there tanks are at. ((not saying that they need to be buffed or anything just redesigned, IMO to be fit and operate more like an EVE ship sans the point and click.)) You're 100% right, tankers and ADS flyers are not happy at all, and when it comes to ADS they have every right to be wanting it fixed. Tankers want their tanks to be a rolling end game where nothing short of a stronger tank can kill them, and to hell with the people who spent weeks and months getting there proto AV gear. What is the point of there being Forge Guns ans Swarm Launchers and AV nades in the game if they are not going to be effective against what they were made for? That is the point that 75% tankers that say tanks need to be buffed do not see, the AV weapons were put in the game so people who don't want to skill into tanks have something they can use against them. The best part is that if it were only tanks that can destroy other tanks then it comes down to which side gets there maxed out damage rail tank in first, because which ever side does can easily prevent the other team from calling any tanks ot lav or drop ships with their ungodly range. just got out a match decided to check the forums saw all this BS just so you know I just went 47/1 died because I fell out the drop ship to drop OB and didn't get picked up in time oh well. #GALADSFTW

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:07:00 - [161] - Quote [quote= just got out a match decided to check the forums saw all this BS just so you know I just went 47/1 died because I fell out the drop ship to drop OB and didn't get picked up in time oh well. #GALADSFTW[/quote] Im talking about the vid you posted where you were in a ads on side turret then jumped out cause was almost dead, called in a maddy with tripe repers, then called in a gunlogi after maddy was destroyed, then you did't bother to spawn in after that since you didn't want to lose anymore tanks. What is BS is that you started this thread to cry that since FG skills got fixed you need a buff for your tank, and have yet to post anything that is remotely intelligent. All you have done is cry that you can't go on a 50-60 kill rampage anymore, like as if being in a tank is supposed to be GOD MODE and nothing other then a stronger tank should be able even scratch the paint on your tank. It should not take 6 people to kill a tank, while it take 1 tank to kill 6 people. tanks vs AV is at its best right now and 99% of the community agrees about that.
GUNDAM HEAVY ARMS01 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 10	Posted - 2014.07.11 02:30:00 - [162] - Quote 843, there's no point to talking to someone like this, you've said almost all the points there is and this guy just wont listen. Hes just another scrub wanna be called "tanker" who goes in other people's dropships cuz he cant fly it himself and too scared to use a light or heavy weapon cuz he sucks at it. Let him cry and reply with stupid reasons that doesnt make any sense because honestly people as stupid as this guy dont have any chances in life. As i say to yu panda, get some skills cuz yu need it. Minmatar scouts arent as bad as people say it is. It just takes skill and patience to use so stop complaining and learn
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2014.07.11 02:59:00 - [163] - Quote GUNDAM HEAVY ARMS01 wrote: 843, there's no point to talking to someone like this, you've said almost all the points there is and this guy just wont listen. Hes just another scrub wanna be called "tanker" who goes in other people's dropships cuz he cant fly it himself and too scared to use a light or heavy weapon cuz he sucks at it. Let him cry and reply with stupid reasons that doesnt make any sense because honestly people as stupid as this guy dont have any chances in life. As i say to yu panda, get some skills cuz yu need it. You are totally correct, this is now just a flame thread and has no actual meaning other then to show how much of a scrub Panda really is.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1925	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:52:00 - [164] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Didn't read, tanker tears delicious. 30+ likes for a troll post... Bravo..... Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1925	Posted - 2014.07.11 14:54:00 - [165] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: a crew of 4 ADV lvl forge gunners could take out my best anti AV tank after a minute or two as it should be taking down a tank in a game like dust SHLOULD ALWAYS BE A TEAM EFFORT AND NEVER BE ABLE TO BE DONE SOLO NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO YOUR AV While this looks like a flame thread at first, a detailed reading leads me to believe it is in fact genuine. This character is from May 2013, and has a realistic corp history including tankers unite. SO lets at least start with a fair reading and response. And Im guessing my posting will summon Taka to the thread, and I apologise in advance for that. So you propose that it take 4 people several minutes to kill a tank. In other words the entire enemy team running nothing but dedicated AV to destroy 4 players on your team in tanks, leaving the other 12 to run anti infantry? How does this one point seem realistically fun for all involved? Apology accepted. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 107	Posted - 2014.07.11 16:04:00 - [166] - Quote It's all about the cost. One full proto minmando w/ proto swarms costs 170k- 220k isk. What does your tank cost? Battle capacity is roughly determined(if the skill of the pilot of either the vehicle or dropsuit is equal) by amount of isk spent. Tankers spend just a hair more than a single infantry for their vehicle yet demand that it takes 4-6 people that will spend at least triple that of the tanker. Just offer up your tears and/or gtfo. P.S. I know that ADS are currently getting the shaft. Can't wait for hotfix charlie so I can feel less guilty. I'm here to drop links and rep bitches, and I'm just about outta links.
Thurak1 Psygod9 811	Posted - 2014.07.11 23:53:00 - [167] - Quote PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Threads like this are so funny and delicious. Teamwork to take out 1 player? No should not be required. You want to be uber get your team to help. Tanks running rogue (aka solo) should be easy pickings for AV weapons. Here is the thing AV weapons are great at taking out vehicles (shocked gasp OH MY) the only av weapon that can also take out infantry is the forge gun and its not great at that given its very limited clip / carry. If you want to speak of "real life" ever since the advent of armor and armored vehicles there have been methods to take them out usually by a single weapon and very often used by 1 soldier maybe 2. In modern days there are many types of man portable anti armor weapons, many of which are guided. So in short HTFU. See I just... don't I... don't... understand... WHY CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT GET IN YOUR OWN TANKS TO TAKE ON OTHET TANKS? oh wait... I know why. because you don't spec into them... why? because you want to put all your SP into your dedicated proto stomp. :) and tanks are always in the way of you getting to stomp new players aren't they ? :( I am actually speced into mostly the heavy role. Both HMG and forge gun and I tend to not use much proto gear. My suits comprise mostly of BP / militia gear and usually a complex damage mod and advanced weapon. Saying a tank should be required to take out a tank is ridiculous. I would say read my original comment but you didnt read it the first time so why would i think you would read it after you commented on it in such a manner that leads me to believe you did not read it? Forge guns should make tankers cringe and we can finally do real damage to tanks again. So suck it pretty boy because i am going to ruin your day especially if your in a tasty tank. Drop ships i have a bit more difficulty with but stay still long enough and i will send you earthward.
TH1EFOFSOuLS Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:05:00 - [168] - Quote bump?
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 112	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:07:00 - [169] - Quote TH1EFOFSOuLS wrote: bump? we shud work togeyher and bump all the old threads i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2455	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:11:00 - [170] - Quote PANDA UZIMAKI wrote: I have 19mil SP in nothing but dropships and tanks and I lose them ALMOST EVERY GAME. Probably garbage tactics. I survived back before the HAV revamps, when you could be insta-ganked by any jackass with AV grenades, and Forges were the Reaper Incarnate, and I was a mid-field tanker not a redline sniper (Except for Manus peak, what a terrible map period though), and I was using a Gunnie which was woefully UP compared to the Maddies of the time. Today's battlefield may be unbalanced, but it is a lot more forgiving, and you have a bad habit of fixating on a point and slowing down, sacrificing your mobility and speed to "fixate" on someone, allowing anyone to hunt you down with AV. Change your tactics, and learn to avoid very specific areas of the map depending on the map. Learn the HAV's Ten Commandments, never break them, and you'll do fine. HAV pilots these days die when they get greedy or act braindead 90% of the time, don't be one of those people. When I run HAVs with my Corpmate, we run a Missile Gunnie, and rarely lose it. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2163	Posted - 2014.09.26 23:27:00 - [171] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: It's all about the cost. One full proto minmando w/ proto swarms costs 170k- 220k isk. What does your tank cost? Battle capacity is roughly determined(if the skill of the pilot of either the vehicle or dropsuit is equal) by amount of isk spent. Tankers spend just a hair more than a single infantry for their vehicle yet demand that it takes 4-6 people that will spend at least triple that of the tanker. Just offer up your tears and/or gtfo. P.S. I know that ADS are currently getting the shaft. Can't wait for hotfix charlie so I can feel less guilty. What if I did it in a M-1 Scout with Wiyrkomi AV Grenades (standing next to a Supply Depot of course)? Is that fiscally fair? "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
TH1EFOFSOuLS Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 40	Posted - 2014.10.03 01:02:00 - [172] - Quote Goes does not like tanks because we are better then him.


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