Such dumb.

Much Drivel.

Should I even bother forming a coherent response to this?

Wow.

Judge and I are in complete agreement on this one. It is not balanced, or fun, to require a team to dedicate 1/4 of its manpower to suppressing one individual. No other FPS has a mechanic like that because it creates drastic imbalances between the teams.

I would really like it if players like you were a little less selfish. Any given game element should help make the game more fun for all the players in a given match.

I don't know what is drilled into your heads to make you guys think that taking down a tank is impossible. and I still have yet to figure out if any of you even own your own tanks. is getting vec operations to 5 scary but getting prof 5 in forge guns not?

I mean a simple gunlogi with milita mods is not something to be toyed with. really though what I think it is is you guys are afraid to lose isk like we do. I think your afraid you cant handle it. Seeing the stuff we do with our tanks to stay alrive on a daily basis and you guys just wondering if you guys can do the same probably puts allot of doubts in your mind about trying to get your own tanks to stand up against the " tanker community".

now don't get me wrong I will crush your sicas and somas but im not every tanker and im not in every game and there are ALLOT of scrub tankers out there that crack under the preasure of one swarm launcher on them while there trapped in a ditch or some crap like that.

WHAT IM SAYING IS. STOP RELYING TO MUCH ON A MECHANIC THAT WAS NOT BUILT TO BE THE 24/7 DESTROYER OF ALL VECHCLES. USE A BLOODY TANK FOR ONCE ITS FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alright before I get down to the basics id like to go on note some people have gotten very sensitive about my topics and have responded with very negative feed back heres what I think in a few short letters I D G A F. KK? good(: I get on here to post my opoioun and read little or no feed make of my posts. why you may ask? because the only people that get on the fourms are to complain about not getting to proto stomp that is really it and what is in the way of them getting to proto stomp 90% of the time oh well you know vechicles :D but anyways enough about you guys now on things that actually matter like THE GAME and NOT YOU :p (no offense to those who actually agree to what I have to say which account for about 20% of you)


ok DEV this is the part I want you to read if you read any of this at all. its my understanding that FG and swarm launcher prof was not working before hotfix bravo (trust me the still hit hard as heck then to) so now that they do work wouldn't you consider that a buff right? :) OHHHH BUT WAIT! tanks get nerfed? what?!?! :O!!! *shock flows through the entire DEV crew* so basicly tanks get nerfed and the very thing to kill tanks gets buffed?!? Now tell me.... whos idea was that now? :p

Now let me give you an example of my ANTI-AV (anti -- anti vehicle) tank before bravo. It had a armor REP rate of 468.00 it was straight invincible against 2 ADV level forge guns with a enhanced HVY damage AMP on them each. I could kill them each time but when you threw 3-4 into the mix (this was all a controlled experiment btw) it got dangerous and tricky for me eventually a crew of 4 ADV lvl forge gunners could take out my best anti AV tank after a minute or two as it should be taking down a tank in a game like dust SHLOULD ALWAYS BE A TEAM EFFORT AND NEVER BE ABLE TO BE DONE SOLO NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO YOUR AV as much as people say it us tankers don't have " I win buttons " the are critical mistakes that can be made at a moments notice that can cost us from 200k-500kisk in a heart beat if anyone has it easy mode right now its AV on roof tops as I have said it before. I have 19mil SP in nothing but dropships and tanks and I lose them ALMOST EVERY GAME.

but I personally don't even try to help the milita stand up to you proto pub stompers anymore I just blow up unstall and crap and wait for the game to end. in the end its not tankers who are suffering. its yet again the new players. once I retreat to the redline you put away the proto forge gun and pull out the boundless HMG and go to town on the front lines now don't yah? I used to be able to put those kind of player in line but now I just cant. I really don't know what dev was thinking.

anyways I have an HDPVR on its way in the mail ill have vids up on you tube with in the week. ill actually pay attention to your replys here to see if you guys want any links.

Didn't read, tanker tears delicious.

It is still a troll post.

I don't think even Spkr ever suggested it should take a full minute to kill him.

5m ISK says this is a Red Star. alt.

i hate it when players call my tanks i win buttons total crap anyway the armor rep did need to get nerfed but the railgun heat build-upper shot increce change and the the damage and the firerate reduction changes were to much your over nerfing. all was needed was one change and if they still went happy then then they could allways change the other thing just my 2 cents.

if you were a tanker you would not have said that because I have never heard of armor rail tanker being able to stack a good amount of armor reps to be resilient against AV

what made you think im a armor tank? im a gunnlogi all the ways bro way my agile.

yeah I used to run my run both my maddy and my gunnlogi the same now I run my gunnlogi more because theres really no point in staying and trying to help the team I just run like a coward and leave my blueberrys to get slaughtered by prtoto gear

GUESS HOW CAN THIS CAN BE EASILY FIXED???? :D BUY BRINGING IN YOUR OWN TANK!!!!! WAIT WHAT???? XD WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE BEST COUNTER TO A TANK IN THE GAME WOULD BE ANOTHER TANK????? HAHAHAHA like seriously I see none of you bringing in your own tanks into factor its always tanks VS AV I never see tanks VS tanks OR tanks VS TANK+AV I FEAR A TANK CREW WHO HAS AV MORE THEN I FEAR AN ENTIRE TEAM OF AV

OH LOOK A MOLON LABE SOMEONE TO MAKE A PERFECT ARUGUMENT FOR ME ON WHY TANKS SHOULD NOT BE SURRPRSED THE WAY THEY ARE.

See before out bravo with good old sally. (my 468.00 armor rep rate) I would call her out when ever the enemy team didn't have their on tanks or drop ships and all I would see on the kill feed is red killed blue with some proto variant of a weapon A HUNDRED TIMES OVER

see im the kind of tanker that will put you proto stompers in their place in a heart beat. ( now unforneatly I cant ) the thing with the hotfix is once av is taken is put away and all the tanks are dead THE PROTO SUITES AND PROTO GUNS COME RIGHT BACK OUT AND BEGIN THE RAMPAGAE and sadly there isn't a thing I can do about it :( belive it or not I was the kind of guy the would drive up on a large concentration of enemy TARGETS ALL THE PROTO PUB STOMPERS maybe a little adv... and leave all the milita and basic alone. why? because those were the players that wanted to play not be jerks. then id sit there and wait for the proto guys to come back with proto av which at the time was useless IF they were not working together which they did not have any coordination doing at the time because they are used to looking down the scopes of a boundless combat rifles.

if your going to read any of this read this. THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO GET ON THE FOUNDS AND QUTOE ON QUTOE " QQ" ABOUT ANYTHING ARE THE GUYS THAT WANT WORRY FREE PROTO STOMPING WHICH ARE THEY BIG NAME CORPS. and that's all I see on my topics. molon labe. gods among men final absolution all very famous for full proto squads and are the only ones here that have anything to lose.

Alright before I get down to the basics id like to go on note some people have gotten very sensitive about my topics and have responded with very negative feed back heres what I think in a few short letters I D G A F. KK? good(: I get on here to post my opoioun and read little or no feed make of my posts. why you may ask? because the only people that get on the fourms are to complain about not getting to proto stomp that is really it and what is in the way of them getting to proto stomp 90% of the time oh well you know vechicles :D but anyways enough about you guys now on things that actually matter like THE GAME and NOT YOU :p (no offense to those who actually agree to what I have to say which account for about 20% of you)


ok DEV this is the part I want you to read if you read any of this at all. its my understanding that FG and swarm launcher prof was not working before hotfix bravo (trust me the still hit hard as heck then to) so now that they do work wouldn't you consider that a buff right? :) OHHHH BUT WAIT! tanks get nerfed? what?!?! :O!!! *shock flows through the entire DEV crew* so basicly tanks get nerfed and the very thing to kill tanks gets buffed?!? Now tell me.... whos idea was that now? :p

Now let me give you an example of my ANTI-AV (anti -- anti vehicle) tank before bravo. It had a armor REP rate of 468.00 it was straight invincible against 2 ADV level forge guns with a enhanced HVY damage AMP on them each. I could kill them each time but when you threw 3-4 into the mix (this was all a controlled experiment btw) it got dangerous and tricky for me eventually a crew of 4 ADV lvl forge gunners could take out my best anti AV tank after a minute or two as it should be taking down a tank in a game like dust SHLOULD ALWAYS BE A TEAM EFFORT AND NEVER BE ABLE TO BE DONE SOLO NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU PUT INTO YOUR AV as much as people say it us tankers don't have " I win buttons " the are critical mistakes that can be made at a moments notice that can cost us from 200k-500kisk in a heart beat if anyone has it easy mode right now its AV on roof tops as I have said it before. I have 19mil SP in nothing but dropships and tanks and I lose them ALMOST EVERY GAME.

but I personally don't even try to help the milita stand up to you proto pub stompers anymore I just blow up unstall and crap and wait for the game to end. in the end its not tankers who are suffering. its yet again the new players. once I retreat to the redline you put away the proto forge gun and pull out the boundless HMG and go to town on the front lines now don't yah? I used to be able to put those kind of player in line but now I just cant. I really don't know what dev was thinking.

anyways I have an HDPVR on its way in the mail ill have vids up on you tube with in the week. ill actually pay attention to your replys here to see if you guys want any links.

I hear you panda, but I ran my tank account it wasnt that bad. Before the update dude I was playing DOM on Manus Peaks we had the good side. DDB pushed three triple rep Maddys up on our ridge, we literally had 4 or 5 forgers on them and killed 1 the whole game. It was absolutely horrible. So dont take me wrong here when I tell you they needed a nerf. Tanks will go back to normal levels and people will need skill to use them. Mainly now you tanks will need to consider tactics, positioning, entry to a a battle, exit strategy, and most importantly you will now need to consider infantry support to kill those forgers. We cant do it alone and neither can you, I think thats righteous.

5m ISK says this is a Red Star. alt.

Don't be hating on the tags dude.

This is an obvious troll thread, but I'm going to respond anyways; for old time's sake.

• Forge Gun Proficiency V: 2,624,160 SP
• HAV Operation I: 335,800 SP

I have a Proficiency V Swarm Launcher, but if I had to guess I'd say that the Prof. V Forge Gun is indeed "scarier" than Vehicle Command V & HAV Operation I. For your information, I do own my own HAVs (as well as having a good amount invested into them). So do a good amount of players in this thread.

However, participation in Vehicle vs AV balance doesn't require that you own a vehicle, as it affects both AVers and Pilots as well.


This part made me laugh.

If you find yourself loosing ISK to the point where you have to be afraid to operate your vehicle, your doing it wrong. Coming from an AVer who also used vehicles pre Uprising 1.7, being a pilot is a cakewalk. All you have to do to stay alive is:

1. Tap R2
2. Rotate Joystick
3. Move Joystick Forward
4. Move Joystick Left or Right

Considering how AV weapons are terrible against Infantry and we have to rely on a "trusty" secondary, the AVer struggles to stay alive far more than the Pilot will ever have to. Unless, you think being immune to 80% of the weapons in DUST 514 is a struggle. In that case, Lol.

As for standing up against the Tanker Community, AVers already did so during Uprising 1.7's launch date when AV Weapons became plush toys with a bright "EZ Kill Here" sign. Perhaps you should go back a few hundred pages when the Pilots were complaining about players using MLT Railguns as opposed to AV weapons to kill them.


Considering how your crying for AV to be nerfed to where it takes 4 AVers several minutes to kill you, I have doubts that you can even fight your way out of a wet paper bag, let alone another vehicle.


Anti-Vehicle weapons are designed to be "the 24/7 Destroyer of All Vehicles". Heck, that's quite literally their only purpose in this game. Why would I bother using or investing into an AV Weapon if it weren't the case?

HAVs aren't fun. Their extremely repetitive, and so easy that my 8yr old Baby Sister could perform well with them.

:: picks up the crayons ::
:: passes around juice packs ::

Lol, I read the bit in capitals and saw exactly where this was going.

However let me give you example, let's play a special game of rock paper scissors, it's a special version.
The first player writes down 3 choices and the second the same.

All choices are revealed simultaneously, and each square off against each other.
In the event of a tie, a final round is played like a normal round would.

Now in the case of rock paper scissors, the best option is to play
1x Rock
1x Paper
1x Scissors
No matter what your opponent plays, this combination ALWAYS results in a tie.

However, let's change it slightly so that paper no longer beats rocks.
Suddenly the best option becomes 3x Rocks, you can never loose if you play that combo.

Now if you
1) Do not understand this anology
2) Do not understand the point

AV vs Tank balancing is not a discussion for you!

He is saying it's proably Takihiro or Spkr, we've not encountered such terrible logic since those posted 30 posts in each tank thread.

Like ive already said I will be making youtube videos soon so this suspension of me being these scrubs will go away. *War room looby AI voice* THANK YOU FOR YOUR COPERATION.

He is saying it's proably Takihiro or Spkr, we've not encountered such terrible logic since those posted 30 posts in each tank thread.

Like ive already said I will be making youtube videos soon so this suspension of me being these scrubs will go away. *War room looby AI voice* THANK YOU FOR YOUR COPERATION.

Lets not forget that manpower is only part of the equation. Think in man minutes. Look at ttk. 2 militia players can down a proto player in 2 seconds. Despite his advantage he can be overcome in short time by a realistically sized team. The amount of man time used is 4 seconds. Put another way; a gear advantage can be overcome by numbers yet not restrict the disadvantaged team as little man time is used up.

The OP proposes that 4 players take two minutes to kill one player. Thats 8 man minutes on just a single player. In other words :

Out of the 240 man minutes in a match. The OP thinks that 3% of the entire teams possible effort should be focused on 1 guy over a whole match. Thats 16% of a full teams time in a game to kill your 4 tankers just once.

After reading every post in this thread I am actually looking forward to these videos. Please do voice over, not just straight gameplay footage. I want to hear if you speak in CAPS too.

Remember that if you just upload a match no-one will know what point you are trying to make. It may seem obvious to you, as you were in the match, but not to the viewer. Voice over please. I look forward to being suspended... or whatever and seeing this war room which I guess is up the stairs in the war-barge?

WHEN YOU SHOW ME HARD EVIDENCE OF A PROTO PLAYER BEING DOWNED BY TWO MILITAS LEGETLY I WILL BIOMASS MY TANK CHARCTER PERSONALLY.