OP should try battlefield if he thinks AV is OP. people can kill you there with a rep tool aswell. You're lucky this is not the case in Dust. To me this post is hilarious as OP was relying on broken mechanics, now that theyre "fixed" he starts crying" because his win button is gone. Douchebag

Just had a match where 1 tanker vsed 1 militia swarm, 1 advanced swarm and 1 normal forge gun (the normal forge gun being me with 3 complex heavy damage mods). It wasn't even enough to burst him down. Just like you had to spec into tanks some one else had to spec into av and put themselves in considerable danger to go out with only a forge gun and a sidearm to hunt you. They are a huge target for infantry and if they are hitting you from a safe spot it's probably because your near the enemies red line and probably harassing the poor redberries trying to get out like most tanks do.

It's really bad enough most tanks come in and take your MCC spawn points supply depo and installations so that they can red line you without fear. Seriously i know your tanks are expensive but you gotta let the infantry do their thing, you can't just go 20/0 every game. Sometimes the enemy has proto av and you have to realize your not stomping that match. Sometimes they have no av at all and you know you own that game.

You are 1 guy in a tank, if it took 2-3 guys to operate a good tank then i'd be fine with nerfing av again but it already takes 3+ guys if you don't have proto, that's time and effort taken away from hacking objectives and defending points and just because 1 guy on the enemy team decided he wants to drive a tank. Why you feel the need for tanks to be the fcking final boss i will never know but the game is about hacking points not getting the whole team together to stop a tank. Av getting nerfed constantly is what forces people to do the stuff you guys hate such as Jihad jeeps. I know you probably won't agree at all but that's usually the case for tankers who don't step foot outside their tanks for even 1 match to see how it is trying to fight without being in a damn Gundam. Fact is you are the minority and the game should not be molded around you when infantry is the meat of the game.

OP should try battlefield if he thinks AV is OP. people can kill you there with a rep tool aswell. You're lucky this is not the case in Dust. To me this post is hilarious as OP was relying on broken mechanics, now that theyre "fixed" he starts crying" because his win button is gone. Douchebag

No, if we were to apply real logic to DUST 514 then your HAV would require an entire squad just to get it up and moving, and my Swarm Launcher would kill the entire crew and the HAV in one shot, people wouldn't even bother fielding ADSs.

Also, the "Huge Blaster Turret", would be replaced with a Cannon, similar to an 80GJ Railgun.

Vehicles are free in battlefield, which makes that point entirely irrelevant...

Actually the swarm is a light weapon much like the RPG, a tank would just laugh at your swarms much like a current IRL tank laughs off and just sits through RPG rounds. That railgun would also bring down whole buildings and it's "Splash" would be at least 10 times as large as the current railgun.

WHEN YOU SHOW ME HARD EVIDENCE OF A PROTO PLAYER BEING DOWNED BY TWO MILITAS LEGETLY I WILL BIOMASS MY TANK CHARCTER PERSONALLY.

Actually the swarm is a light weapon much like the RPG, a tank would just laugh at your swarms much like a current IRL tank laughs off and just sits through RPG rounds. That railgun would also bring down whole buildings and it's "Splash" would be at least 10 times as large as the current railgun.

Let me get my camera, just yesterday I killed a Proto-Caldari with a mlt Scrambler Rifle, it shouldn't be too hard to replicate.

everyone has done that at some point....blue dots steal my lavs all the time and i go around ramming every lav on the map for revenge...that doesnt mean you have to muck up all his forum posts :/...butt hurt much?

thats like me spitting all over the sniper qq threads because i dislike redline thales....im not doing it...i want to but im not.

What he means is that this dude does it on purpose, if he see a LAV on map red or bluen he makes sure to ram into it.

He might also be one of the lamos that when they see a blue tank that weaker then his he will ram it and run it over until it blows up.

Oh when you admitt that you a cowardly whiny b!tch that hides in red line with rail tank that makes all you argeuments about how AV needs to be nerfed 10000000% worthless. Red line tankers are a joke because they to scared to come out and fight in a place they have a chance get killed.

Well guess what buddy you just painted a huge red X on your self now because i hunt red line tanks with my jihad lav. its so tasty when i can destroy your 250k-500k tank with it only cost me 6k isk for my r/e

And for the record i have skilled into infintry and tanks and ads so i know what im talking about.

While this looks like a flame thread at first, a detailed reading leads me to believe it is in fact genuine. This character is from May 2013, and has a realistic corp history including tankers unite. SO lets at least start with a fair reading and response. And Im guessing my posting will summon Taka to the thread, and I apologise in advance for that.

So you propose that it take 4 people several minutes to kill a tank. In other words the entire enemy team running nothing but dedicated AV to destroy 4 players on your team in tanks, leaving the other 12 to run anti infantry? How does this one point seem realistically fun for all involved?

*british accent* would you like a cup'O tea to calm ya nerves their mate?

See I just... don't I... don't... understand... WHY CAN YOU PEOPLE NOT GET IN YOUR OWN TANKS TO TAKE ON OTHET TANKS? oh wait... I know why. because you don't spec into them... why? because you want to put all your SP into your dedicated proto stomp. :) and tanks are always in the way of you getting to stomp new players aren't they ? :(

This just makes me burst in laughter. The logic of "to kill a tank yu need another tank to kill it." Isnt forge guns and swarm launchers in the ANTI-vehicle category? If yu really are one of those scrubs using triple rep mods, i think yu need some new fittings kid. If a fit doesnt work for yu then make another fit. If its true of how yu say yur this and that then why arent yu smart enough to make stronger fits? Hahaha, i can kill yur triple rep mod tank with a dual reppet tank and a hardener.
OH MY GAWD, i just gave yu a hint ** interesting a dual rep tank with a hardener =ƒÿ¦ they made hardeners for a reason. And if yur gonna go on about me not being able to use infantry, i in my MEDIC STARTER GAL FIT solo can take down proto stompers. Its not that hard, all yu need to learn is to aim yur gun correctly and shoot. Infantry dont need help from tanks in order to kill other infantry. Like yu said, it shuld be tank vs tank, so then it should be infantry vs infantry as well. If yur going to complain abouy puny infantry with less than 1000 hp killing yu...just please get some skill. As a tanker myself, i have killed yu like no problem so please stop trying to show off. Showing off while whining and complaining about av is just a disgrace to tanking. Btw there is a way to counter tank+av vs tank!!!!(whispers**tank+skill beats tank+av!) im so tired of people like yu who just gets in a tank the whole day because yu cant use a light or heavy or sidearm weapon. Yu keep complaining about yur 200k isk tank, well sir, i full on proto slayer cost 240k isk for a medium suit for me :) a full on pro scout cost about 160k isk and how do they die? Examples of how easy to kill these kind of people: heavy machine gun in basic sent(6k isk), remotes on a starter fit(1k isk), militia shotguns in militia or blueprint scouts who can 3 shot yu(3k isk), any type of rifle with good accuracy and strafing(30k isk and less). Stop being so selfish and pretending yur helping yur blueberries. If yu want to help them so much, get out of yur tank and shoot with yur team with a rifle or even a SNIPER. Another example of killing proto suits, sniping in the red line =ƒÿ¦ as much as i hate it, yu cant take it out of the game so what do yu do? Deal with it! People like yu ruin the game, so just stop talking and actually read what these people have said to you. Again i just gave yu a tank fit and if yu arent happy about that, 1 vs 1 me on tank vs tank on oceana and mail me so i know and ill be more than happy to do so. If yu want to see a militia against a proto user in dropsuits, ill do it, bring a proto user with yu and ill use militia in 1v1 in oceana and ill show yu how easy it is to stomp a squad using proto. Oh if yur wondering how, its called MILITIA SPAM STOMPING.

Before yu say anything, at least think abouy what yur gonna say cuz yu make yurself sound so stupid replying to all these people's replies that actually make sense.

Why do i get the feeling that this noob was one of the murder taxi drivers when we had logi LAVs. I'm talking about the noob who started this thread. Such a total noob cake it makes me laugh.

seriously dude accept my tea offer I can feel the anger coming off those key strokes man :)

I'll drink tea made out of your tears after i kill your triple rep and double damage mod tank that only a noob tries to run in 1.8.

Every skilled tanker knows that since bravo hot fix they nerfed tank repers and that its all about speed and scans. Scans so you can see all the reds around you and speed so you can get away from the treats.

Now if your to thick headed to see that everyone is trying to tell you that your a bad tanker then it's not my fault. Get good at tanking then cry about things being unbalanced.

If you want to talk about unbalanced tanks and AV, I can remember times when swarms were free fire, forges could 2-3 shot any tak and kill 3-4 infintry at once, when tanks were so op that all you could ever do was run from them or hope and pray another tanker was on your team.

There were ups and downs for both sides, and right now it's at it best. Reasons are that you need more then one person running AV to kill a tank but not an entire squad. While at the same time tanks have a way to escape from the worst of it and have a chance to survive

I came onto your post as a tanker and a scout, with no intention to trash you at all. But when you start your thread by saying that fixing a skill is the same as getting a buff, my "dumba$$ alert" starts going off especially when you say you don't bother to read what people are trying to tell you( including me ).

Any skilled ( not skills you spend sp on ) will tell you that trying to tank using a fit that worked in the previous builds will not work in this build. You have to be change your fits to work with the build. In my corp we have blaster tankers that hardly ever lose tanks because they were smart about there fits, they don't hide in red line and they don't stay in the middle of a red AV team.

As for my corp being a proto stomper corp that is a joke. My corp don't go straight for proto unless its a pc, because no one can afford to lose 200k isk or more costing suits, just like tankers can't afford to lose 200k isk or more tanks.

Again use the brain you got for thinking and not as a cushion for you a$$

Just because my corp regularly destroys your red line tanks don't mean we are proto stompers, just means we tank smarter not harder

here AV scum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qR0Uke2XNI

oh wait I saw that bit where you said your corp regularly destroy red line tanks and what now do you wanna run a sync deploy and put that theory to the test? because Im willing to be youll be the one without enough reline if not im done with you

Its called being smart redline = jihad, my 6k isk to your 200k isk.

you can't hide from something that can drive faster then you can charge and fire.

Didn't ready AV tears delicious.

You really think im about to read all that shxit? haha! heres something for you buddy your not the kind of guy that came onto MY post to read what I had to say as a fourm vet you instinctively started talking stupid. so what makes you think I will do anything in return for you?
Your from a proto stomping corp that's the only reason you want everything to stay where they are simple as that.

*british accent* good day and hope you choke on your own shxhit sir. :)