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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.04 21:22:00 -
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Lol, I read the bit in capitals and saw exactly where this was going.
However let me give you example, let's play a special game of rock paper scissors, it's a special version.
The first player writes down 3 choices and the second the same.
All choices are revealed simultaneously, and each square off against each other.
In the event of a tie, a final round is played like a normal round would.
Now in the case of rock paper scissors, the best option is to play
1x Rock
1x Paper
1x Scissors
No matter what your opponent plays, this combination ALWAYS results in a tie.
However, let's change it slightly so that paper no longer beats rocks.
Suddenly the best option becomes 3x Rocks, you can never loose if you play that combo.
Now if you
1) Do not understand this anology
2) Do not understand the point
AV vs Tank balancing is not a discussion for you!
My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me!
Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:09:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:Atiim wrote:5m ISK says this is a Red Star. alt.  Don't be hating on the tags dude.
He is saying it's proably Takihiro or Spkr, we've not encountered such terrible logic since those posted 30 posts in each tank thread.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:14:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Lol, I read the bit in capitals and saw exactly where this was going.
However let me give you example, let's play a special game of rock paper scissors, it's a special version.
The first player writes down 3 choices and the second the same.
All choices are revealed simultaneously, and each square off against each other.
In the event of a tie, a final round is played like a normal round would.
Now in the case of rock paper scissors, the best option is to play
1x Rock
1x Paper
1x Scissors
No matter what your opponent plays, this combination ALWAYS results in a tie.
However, let's change it slightly so that paper no longer beats rocks.
Suddenly the best option becomes 3x Rocks, you can never loose if you play that combo.
Now if you
1) Do not understand this anology
2) Do not understand the point
AV vs Tank balancing is not a discussion for you!
This should help you understand!
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.07.05 10:28:00 -
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PANDA UZIMAKI wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:Atiim wrote:5m ISK says this is a Red Star. alt. Don't be hating on the tags dude. He is saying it's proably Takihiro or Spkr, we've not encountered such terrible logic since those posted 30 posts in each tank thread. Like ive already said I will be making youtube videos soon so this suspension of me being these scrubs will go away. *War room looby AI voice* THANK YOU FOR YOUR COPERATION.
Oh fantastic, another medium where we get to write off your ramblings as those of a butthurt tanker who lost his 'I win' button.
I CANNOT WAIT
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.08 20:59:00 -
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PANDA UZIMAKI wrote:Toby Flenderson wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Judge and I are in complete agreement on this one. It is not balanced, or fun, to require a team to dedicate 1/4 of its manpower to suppressing one individual. Lets not forget that manpower is only part of the equation. Think in man minutes. Look at ttk. 2 militia players can down a proto player in 2 seconds. Despite his advantage he can be overcome in short time by a realistically sized team. The amount of man time used is 4 seconds. Put another way; a gear advantage can be overcome by numbers yet not restrict the disadvantaged team as little man time is used up. The OP proposes that 4 players take two minutes to kill one player. Thats 8 man minutes on just a single player. In other words : Out of the 240 man minutes in a match. The OP thinks that 3% of the entire teams possible effort should be focused on 1 guy over a whole match. Thats 16% of a full teams time in a game to kill your 4 tankers just once. I hope more people read this. dude it took 4 AV to push me back permanently back. WITH NO DAMAGE MODS OR PROF AND THIS IS JUST OF ADV LVL. imagine what prtoto variant's do with all their damage amps and max prof and stacked numbers for some reason my team gets redline by AV all the time how. Idk xD so I " hope more people read this "
You mean proto that has at lowest 1 missile extra damage.
At most +15% damage against only 1 damage type.
Or are you saying that these were 4 people using JUST ADV weapons? Because in either case so something on the AV side needs buffing.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:38:00 -
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PANDA UZIMAKI wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Judge and I are in complete agreement on this one. It is not balanced, or fun, to require a team to dedicate 1/4 of its manpower to suppressing one individual. Lets not forget that manpower is only part of the equation. Think in man minutes. Look at ttk. 2 militia players can down a proto player in 2 seconds. Despite his advantage he can be overcome in short time by a realistically sized team. The amount of man time used is 4 seconds. Put another way; a gear advantage can be overcome by numbers yet not restrict the disadvantaged team as little man time is used up. The OP proposes that 4 players take two minutes to kill one player. Thats 8 man minutes on just a single player. In other words : Out of the 240 man minutes in a match. The OP thinks that 3% of the entire teams possible effort should be focused on 1 guy over a whole match. Thats 16% of a full teams time in a game to kill your 4 tankers just once. WHEN YOU SHOW ME HARD EVIDENCE OF A PROTO PLAYER BEING DOWNED BY TWO MILITAS LEGETLY I WILL BIOMASS MY TANK CHARCTER PERSONALLY.
Let me get my camera, just yesterday I killed a Proto-Caldari with a mlt Scrambler Rifle, it shouldn't be too hard to replicate.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.09 23:48:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:PANDA UZIMAKI wrote:OliX PRZESMIEWCA wrote:http://youtube.com/watch?v=6qHL7jET8Gc
One man vs tank oh since were apply real life into dust514 logic I should be able to kill you all with this huge blaster turrent in one shot right? or kill you instantly with a headshot with any kind of gun hell kill you in a few shots with a AR so lets all start applying real world logic to games now :D No, if we were to apply real logic to DUST 514 then your HAV would require an entire squad just to get it up and moving, and my Swarm Launcher would kill the entire crew and the HAV in one shot, people wouldn't even bother fielding ADSs. Also, the "Huge Blaster Turret", would be replaced with a Cannon, similar to an 80GJ Railgun. Actually the swarm is a light weapon much like the RPG, a tank would just laugh at your swarms much like a current IRL tank laughs off and just sits through RPG rounds. That railgun would also bring down whole buildings and it's "Splash" would be at least 10 times as large as the current railgun.
Since its lock-on it would be more akin to a http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGM-148_Javelin
This weapon includes a 2-stage warhead specifically for dealing with reactive armour, it requires only 1 man to operate, who is regularly accompanied by a Spotter or ammo bearer.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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