What's stopping high quality feedback from being the foundation of a balanced game?

right?

nobody wants them in ambush, no one wants to play OMS (because tanks) some have begun talk of limiting them or removing them altogether from dom...

it seems to me, with well over a year of failing to balance AV/tanks, ccp has no idea what to do with them.

let me just say what we are all thinking; tanks are the red headed step children of dust.


tankers, please tell us, why should we miss you when you're gone? if there are no tanks on the field, what role do you serve that is uniquely yours?

LAVs and dropships are great transports, and infantry hack objectives.

what do you do, tankers?

tell us why we should keep you, tell us why we need you, why dust isn't better without you.

Implying that this behavior is found only in PS3 titles.

this is great hypothetical reasoning here, but we all know the only tank we ever see is the slayer, be it rail or blaster or missle. rarely if ever do I see one with a CRU.

more often than not I see tanks without a dropship in the sky and when they are present, ignored 1/2 the time by these tankers.

infantry suppression sounds good, however in a city they cant do much, and what they do accomplish a skilled heavy does just as well

as it is AV is sub par, and most people don't want to bother with it to begin with, those who do are cursed with inefficient weapons all but the highest tiered and most costly.

a logi can still support the team without heavies, providing reps, sticks hives, links...etc etc, but the tank just seems to be a 3rd wheel, a thorn in the average players side, or their crutch....

am I far from the truth?

I actually liked your post... you and true adamance are right.... wonder why ccp didn't give them a role?

Nothing. In fact, that is the foundation of a balanced game.

Why do you think they nerfed HAVs?

Personally I think AV and vehicles are in a rather good spot right now. The issue is just that I absolutely hate doing AV. Yet it's what I have to do almost 50% of my playtime.

Here's how most of my playsessions go down:
1. Log in to fry some people with my laser rifle.
2. Madrugar tears up the place.
3. Switch to Forgegun and shoo away HAV.
4. Blap some people with my FG while I follow the HAV around.
5. End of match, go to step 1, repeat until bored.

The crux is that the HAV driver is annoyed that he can't be effective and I'm annoyed because I can't do something more fun. None of us is having fun.

Maybe one way of fixing it would be to make HAVs much cheaper and tune them down so you are expected to lose a couple of them each match. The AVer gets to see pretty explosions and the HAV can get a thrill out of defying the AV.

Nothing. In fact, that is the foundation of a balanced game.

Why do you think they nerfed HAVs?

DO YOU WANT TANKS TO COST AS MUCH AS AN INFANTRY SUIT!!!!!! ARE YOU CRAZY!!!! tanks need to be more powerful but cost a lot more again

Because of scrubs like you.

Unable to get it done on the ground, you cried.

I knew CCP was family oriented, but I thought that was in their workplace, not their development.

Hardcore Eve became mild, watered down dust.

Thanks Atiim.

This assertion would be valid if you've actually taken the time to sample every single player who plays Public Contracts to determine whether or not they "suck". Since you haven't however, that is a fallacy.

Though there are a lot of players in PC who suck as well, so there's not much merit to this statement.


There still isn't, and I doubt their will ever be. That still has nothing to do with item balance.


I'm not really sure why (or how) you would balance things for one game-mode an not the other, as opposed to balancing items around each-other; but balancing around a game-mode that most of the players don't play guarantees that most of the game itself is unplayable, as there would be a lack of balance there.

Though looking at things that way, the HAV would still be imbalanced.


And that supports your assertion, how?


Vehicles were hit with the nerf-bat because there was actual proof presented showing why they needed to be nerfed. Your pathetic and unoriginal attempt at insulting people won't can't change that.

Listening to players the players in PC isn't any more productive than listening to those who present actual data, which would be valid regardless of game-mode.

There is no competitive crowd in the game, but good attempt at trolling.

1. we dont put them on because blue berries steal 300k tanks, shot the turret you sneaking up on so that is try's to kill use and many other reasons including the cru takes away some abiltiy to fight other tanks

2. some tanks are not built to fight dropships

3. while we cant do mich indoors we also keep them in inside

4. tank are designed so that it will take more then one guy to kill a tank as it is after all a tank and entales all that that intails.

5. take away heavys and logis lose most of there support and income witch will lead to A slayer logisor B no logis

in 2 mins i destroyed your arguments bro think outside the box

What's stopping high quality feedback from being the foundation of a balanced game?

This assertion would be valid if you've actually taken the time to sample every single player who plays Public Contracts to determine whether or not they "suck". Since you haven't however, that is a fallacy.

Though there are a lot of players in PC who suck as well, so there's not much merit to this statement.

I'm not really sure why (or how) you would balance things for one game-mode an not the other, as opposed to balancing items around each-other; but balancing around a game-mode that most of the players don't play guarantees that most of the game itself is unplayable, as there would be a lack of balance there.

Though looking at things that way, the HAV would still be imbalanced.

Vehicles were hit with the nerf-bat because there was actual proof presented showing why they needed to be nerfed. Your pathetic and unoriginal attempt at insulting people won't can't change that.

Listening to players the players in PC isn't any more productive than listening to those who present actual data, which would be valid regardless of game-mode.

There is no competitive crowd in the game, but good attempt at trolling.

You assume that players of PC have valuable things to say.

Given the chance Sota would lobby for the inclusion of Hatsune Miku in Dust and your prescious PC battles would see beams of energy, Gundam, and Magical Girls everywhere.

You need to learn what a fallacy is before you start trying to sound smart. An opinion cannot be fallacious doubly so when it is obviously anecdotal. I of course can only speak of the pubs that I have stomped, but the skill level in those games is awful.

Yeah, I heard you had gotten into a couple of PCs and went negative. Hope that taught you something.

You are being intentionally dense. You do not balance for one mode and not the other. That is obvious. But you prioritize the data from PC matches, as there is more valuable data there.

Interesting that that video only covers your beloved swarms you fire and forget scrub. Of course, Judge is quite happy with the changes to rail tanks because he can now fly unmolested.

No they got nerfed because vehicles were proven to be near Immune to Swarm Launchers and pretty much every AV weapon other than a PRO Forge Gun. See for yourself.

So your thanking me for campaigning against vehicle pilots with actual math abd logic as to why their "iWIN" button should be removed while leaving pilots in the DUST due to a lack of factual evidence?

Thanks Attorney. <3

I think mores the point from an EVE player is what do you infantry do and why should we keep you.....?

However I will properly answer your question once I can put I into a persuasive and coherent argument.

Lol, yeah. I remember the EVE forums pretty much giving a collective FU to even having ground troops.

This post only proves that small turrets on tanks need to be made viable and useful. Then we'd have a reason to be on the field against infantry. Oh, right. We already had that with the large blaster turret and you TANKOPHOBES complained. Well, maybe tanks should exist because this is a game about ground warfare and not a console arena game.

I say go ahead and put more content in the game or pull the plug. With new content we could get more heavy weapons that would be anti-tank capable and give heavies an actual job too rather than just easy mode kills. No amount of short term rebalancing is going to make this game work.

You assume that players of PC have valuable things to say.

Given the chance Sota would lobby for the inclusion of Hatsune Miku in Dust and your prescious PC battles would see beams of energy, Gundam, and Magical Girls everywhere.

nothing... but high quality feedback doesn't come just from top tiered players.... take fox gaden as a prime example.

he is not very good at playing dust, but he understands dust mechanics better than most top tiered players ever will.

Nothing. In fact, that is the foundation of a balanced game.

Why do you think they nerfed HAVs?

He is an exception to the rule. Also remember I'm saying that stats or statistics, not necessarily feedback. A good player doesn't necessarily mean a good arguer.

And I know FW mechanics better than most players in this game as well, I have plenty to say on the subject...... your point is meaningless.

He is an exception to the rule. Also remember I'm saying that stats or statistics, not necessarily feedback. A good player doesn't necessarily mean a good arguer.