remove the abillty for remote explosives to be fitted to friendly/allied controlled vehicles.

however they should still be allowed to be attached to enemy vehicles via placement.

sure they can steal a red lav and put the explosives on it but then they run the risk of them being destroyed by the opssosing team. so that team loses a vehicle asset that the owner had while the ''stealer'' dies in the process
aditinally swaping out of the explosive suit causes the current placed explsovies to cease function and not be detonated when destroyed by the enemy.

any other ideas or thoughts to AT least make jihadding have risk/isk investment and loss or gain.

No leave it as it is.I like it and only tankers should hate it.

jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank

no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell

remove the abillty for remote explosives to be fitted to friendly/allied controlled vehicles.

however they should still be allowed to be attached to enemy vehicles via placement.

sure they can steal a red lav and put the explosives on it but then they run the risk of them being destroyed by the opssosing team. so that team loses a vehicle asset that the owner had while the ''stealer'' dies in the process
aditinally swaping out of the explosive suit causes the current placed explsovies to cease function and not be detonated when destroyed by the enemy.

any other ideas or thoughts to AT least make jihadding have risk/isk investment and loss or gain.

no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell

Why remove Jihadd Jeeps?

I ran tanks for over a month (as in I did nothing but tanking in that time) and I only got taken out by Jihadd Jeeps 3 or 4 times. I probably killed 15 to 20 of them in that time, but only 3 or 4 of them managed to get me. The splash damage from one hit will set off the Remotes and detonate the LAV before it gets to you.

Besides, getting taken out by a Jehadd Jeep always seemed to make me laugh.

jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank

lies... you have to buy the explosives... sure you could put them on and then switch out to a starter fit or bpo suit, but then you cant detonate them in instances where ramming doesn't blow you up... many times I have had to get out of my lav to manually detonate on a tank.

as far as lav bpo's go... if everyone had them you may have the beginings of an argument, but most who play dust now don't have them... even still for, what? 30k isk? I can get a jeep and still blow up a 350k tank....bpo lav's are not that much of an advantage here... I can still make more isk than risk most of the time.... either way I'm still almost sure to die, costing my team a clone.

Working as intended.

Just fix the damn bug on the large turret rotation skill. If that were applying properly, only the worst of the worst would die to this outside of just getting unlucky.

See this guy gets it now stop crying

So tankers are now Q_Qing about the only legit AV....good lord. Sadly it's the best anti-tank because it stops all the I win button tankers like Duna from going 50-0 every match....just because it kills you, doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed.

costs 0 isk, unfair as the jeep has greater speed and maneuverability no risk and is much easier to do then blowing up a jihad jeep. Buffer tanking does not do anything the 20,000 damage will still kill you.

See, I have a lot of respect for Fox's opinions.

He's never invested more than 500k in a fitting. It is absolutely bullsh*t that my enormous investment (often including a full-proto AFG fitting inside for continued AV) can be instantly destroyed by a zero investment tactic.

The terror involved in combating JJ is vast, far higher than the fear involved with fighting even multiple AFGs, simply because of the fact that the JJ by definition does not care about dying. They lose nothing upon death. Their investment is not lost. There is no incentive to give up. At no point is a Jihad Jeep better off quitting, because there is no investment in a Jihad Jeep.

Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.

ISK cost is irrelevant.

As for Jihad Jeep being "0 risk", the driver puts themselves at rather large amounts of risk, because at any point in time the LAV can be instantly killed, due to the remotes being exposed. Not to mention that the terrain usually causes the LAV to hit a bump or other obstacle, causing the LAV to miss the target.

Any shot (and I quite literally mean any) to the REs will cause the LAV to instantly explode. Couple that with the fact that you can hear the LAV coming from a mile away, and there's no excuse as to why you should be dying to a Jihad Jeep.

Either stop AFKing inside your HAV, or Get Good.

Don't field what you can't afford to lose.

You still need to reasonably invest into the Remote Explosives to use Jihad Jeeps, as the STD ones have a Max. Active of 3 and only deal 1250HP. That's 3000HP against a Shield Tank, so any well-fitted Gunnlogi will survive that.

They have to pay for the LAV every time, and assuming you've got a Fuel Injector on it (like most JLAVs), your looking at a grand total of 53,610 ISK each attempt (the price of an ADV Dropsuit Fitting).

• 2 Attempts = 107,220 ISK
• 3 Attempts = 160,830 ISK
• 4 Attempts = 214,440 ISK
• 5 Attempts = 268,050 ISK

I'd say that with JLAVs, your better off quitting at around the 2nd-3rd attempt.

As for you being killed by something with 0 SP investment, do you see Infantry complaining every time someone in a BPO or Starter Fit kills them? No?

Then HTFU.


So basically your complaints are about something non-existent?

no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell

Theirs an economy so yes it is relevant

0 risk to assets oh you lose a clone or K/D boo hoo.

False, Sure I can hear an LAV coming but when multiple LAVs are in different angles and throwing off my gauge of direction how my supposed to know what's jihad and what's not.

So it's my fault I die brawling a tank because I get hit by a jihad my thought process should be "let's focus on the LAV that might not even be a threat as opposed to the definite threat being the tank or AV" it's all on my for reloading at just the wrong time.

Stop being such scrub that you can't beat a tank using AV when the tank can barely fight back and get good

JLAVs do cause a risk (and guaranteed loss) to my assets.


So basically you just admitted that you can hear the LAV coming. GG
I bet half the shot gunners you hear kill you anyway

No, but there's nothing wrong with this. When was the last time someone complained about dieing to a tank while brawling an Infantry player?
Quite a lot it might not have been out right stated but I've sure heard it and it's definitely happened a ton
If you can't handle the fact that you have to focus on multiple enemies from different directions, then you have no business playing a video game.
lol you were the one that phrased it in manner saying that I should never
die to one
I don't even use JLAVs anymore, but keep making baseless assumptions.
And you assume Jihad LAVs have killed me more than 5 times ever
Though I do find the scrub comment funny considering how you couldn't even survive my Swarms in a Gunnlogi when they still had the 80% "god mode" hardeners"

2 words Faction Warfare
BPO LAV's they exist and then again don't suck

Come on really using that bullsh!t in a proto suit I can take on at least 3 starter fits at once and it's usually dumb luck or me being stupid that I die to one.

In a tank theirs no way your taking 3 on at once and a tank + your suit costs 5 times as much as one proto suit in general and killing a tank with a jihad is stupid easy killing a proto suit with an infantry suit is not.

Even the best tankers die to this tactic.

This is silly. A prof 5 proto assault forge on a fully bpo'd out skinweave heavy can 3 shot a fully fitted, fully specced, massively expensive ADS out of the sky for under 80k..... and you guys are pissy that a 30k car loaded up with RE's by a guy who specced into them for that purpose and who can navigate close enough to you to RAM you without you noticing is blowing up your tank?

Um... situational awareness much?

Teamwork?

Isn't that the drivel AV players have been hearing for the last 6-8 months? "Use Teamwork!" Well, have your squad let you know when there's a LAV in your vicinity. You're not with your squad? Well, you're not using teamwork. Sad day.

Player ingenuity. It's a beautiful thing. Rail tankers could (and on some maps, do) camp the redline all match. They thought it up as an effective tactic. The only issue I have with it is that there's no effective way to counter it since OB's can't really drop decent tanks anymore. jLAV's ARE easy to counter. You can have teammates set up proxy's which will detonate the RE's on the LAV when they go off. You can have a teammate with a swarm on standby to hit the LAV's and either scare them off, kill them or tag their RE's with missiles, detonating them (along with the driver). Or you can have teammates spot LAV's for you. Or you can have situational awareness since you can hear LAV's from a long ways off. OR you can combine some of these ideas and do pretty well avoiding/killing 99% of them.

Happy tanking, jLAV's are the least of your worries. ;)

I'm not surprised, considering how most tankers aren't really good at DUST 514 anyways.