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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:28:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:remove the abillty for remote explosives to be fitted to friendly/allied controlled vehicles.
however they should still be allowed to be attached to enemy vehicles via placement.
sure they can steal a red lav and put the explosives on it but then they run the risk of them being destroyed by the opssosing team. so that team loses a vehicle asset that the owner had while the ''stealer'' dies in the process
aditinally swaping out of the explosive suit causes the current placed explsovies to cease function and not be detonated when destroyed by the enemy.
any other ideas or thoughts to AT least make jihadding have risk/isk investment and loss or gain.
jihad jeeps aren't a problem.... they are a creative style of play... there's nothing OP about them, and 99% of the time the driver dies as well...
instead of trying to tell us how to fix what you see as a problem, tell us first why you think its a problem.
I would be happy to engage you in this argument if you actually have one that amounts to more than you simply don't like the tactic. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
103
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:36:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell
lies... you have to buy the explosives... sure you could put them on and then switch out to a starter fit or bpo suit, but then you cant detonate them in instances where ramming doesn't blow you up... many times I have had to get out of my lav to manually detonate on a tank.
as far as lav bpo's go... if everyone had them you may have the beginings of an argument, but most who play dust now don't have them... even still for, what? 30k isk? I can get a jeep and still blow up a 350k tank....bpo lav's are not that much of an advantage here... I can still make more isk than risk most of the time.... either way I'm still almost sure to die, costing my team a clone. |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:09:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:This is silly. A prof 5 proto assault forge on a fully bpo'd out skinweave heavy can 3 shot a fully fitted, fully specced, massively expensive ADS out of the sky for under 80k..... and you guys are pissy that a 30k car loaded up with RE's by a guy who specced into them for that purpose and who can navigate close enough to you to RAM you without you noticing is blowing up your tank?
Um... situational awareness much?
Teamwork?
Isn't that the drivel AV players have been hearing for the last 6-8 months? "Use Teamwork!" Well, have your squad let you know when there's a LAV in your vicinity. You're not with your squad? Well, you're not using teamwork. Sad day.
Player ingenuity. It's a beautiful thing. Rail tankers could (and on some maps, do) camp the redline all match. They thought it up as an effective tactic. The only issue I have with it is that there's no effective way to counter it since OB's can't really drop decent tanks anymore. jLAV's ARE easy to counter. You can have teammates set up proxy's which will detonate the RE's on the LAV when they go off. You can have a teammate with a swarm on standby to hit the LAV's and either scare them off, kill them or tag their RE's with missiles, detonating them (along with the driver). Or you can have teammates spot LAV's for you. Or you can have situational awareness since you can hear LAV's from a long ways off. OR you can combine some of these ideas and do pretty well avoiding/killing 99% of them.
Happy tanking, jLAV's are the least of your worries. ;)
I have banned accounts waiting to like this post.
bravo! bravo! |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
295
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Posted - 2014.07.04 19:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Working as intended.
Just fix the damn bug on the large turret rotation skill. If that were applying properly, only the worst of the worst would die to this outside of just getting unlucky. Can you please clarify this rotation bug.
lol it never ceases to amaze me how random ccp's interest is in bugs... had the sprint bug since forever, but no fix, but omg! turret rotation!.....meh.... |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2014.07.05 13:26:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:lithkul devant wrote:Jihad Jeeps are a legitmate tactic, this sort of thing has been done since ancient times, and yes they often use the least valuable ship or vehicle they can in order to do this. This would be similar to setting one of your own ships on fire in a naval encounter and having it ram into several other ships or even explode right next to the other ships. This was meant to cause fear and major damage to the enemy, this tactic also was not used typically unless it was obvious that the enemy was going to win or was to powerful to fight conventenially.
For in real life, we have mines specifically designed to tank out tanks, these cost roughly 100-200 dollars per mine, now I can assure you a tank costs plenty more then that even a very bad tank, but the point of the matter is in warfare you find ways to supplement your weaknesses. Russia does this all the time against its enemies, Russia used the weather to destroy the armies of Naploean and ****** and that was just them using the environment, no man power involved at all. Murder taxis were also a "legitimate tactic." But infantry cried and cried that it was killing them unfairly so they had CCP "fix" vehicle-infantry collision damage, AKA a nerf. Either give me back my old Charybdis or remove JLAVs.
the real problem with murder taxis was everyone had a free lav they could use with no sp or isk investment, now at least buying the lav puts an isk investment on it and the remotes for JLAV have an sp investment.
the other major issue was how low the level of speed for kill on impact was, they fixed that, but you can still murder taxi...
I do it all the time in my JLAV on my way to blow your tank up....and in order to blow up your tank I also must travel at a high rate of velocity or hit the tanks sweetspot.
the bottom line here is that if you remove the ability to stick remotes on your own lav you kill other types of creative gameplay as well... JLAVs are only one way to use them and not even the most effective.
the community has already told you tankers over and over again all the ways to counter this, this includes other tankers...
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
315
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Posted - 2014.07.05 18:15:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell lies... you have to buy the explosives... sure you could put them on and then switch out to a starter fit or bpo suit, but then you cant detonate them in instances where ramming doesn't blow you up... many times I have had to get out of my lav to manually detonate on a tank. as far as lav bpo's go... if everyone had them you may have the beginings of an argument, but most who play dust now don't have them... even still for, what? 30k isk? I can get a jeep and still blow up a 350k tank....bpo lav's are not that much of an advantage here... I can still make more isk than risk most of the time.... either way I'm still almost sure to die, costing my team a clone. So you admit low risk high reward which goes completwely against the dust way of high risk high reward. How often do games come down to clones? Once every 5... 6 maybe 7 matches.
except that isn't the dust way.... a bpo fit can take out a proto fit that's low risk high reward
a mlt dropship can ram an ads again low/high
fw has no earned isk there you have a situation of high risk low reward...
sorry but your ideals of what dust is are imaginary.... |
Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
339
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Posted - 2014.07.06 13:24:00 -
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danie braz wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
See, I have a lot of respect for Fox's opinions.
He's never invested more than 500k in a fitting. It is absolutely bullsh*t that my enormous investment (often including a full-proto AFG fitting inside for continued AV) can be instantly destroyed by a zero investment tactic.
The terror involved in combating JJ is vast, far higher than the fear involved with fighting even multiple AFGs, simply because of the fact that the JJ by definition does not care about dying. They lose nothing upon death. Their investment is not lost. There is no incentive to give up. At no point is a Jihad Jeep better off quitting, because there is no investment in a Jihad Jeep.
Don't field what you can't afford to lose. You still need to reasonably invest into the Remote Explosives to use Jihad Jeeps, as the STD ones have a Max. Active of 3 and only deal 1250HP. That's 3000HP against a Shield Tank, so any well-fitted Gunnlogi will survive that. They have to pay for the LAV every time, and assuming you've got a Fuel Injector on it (like most JLAVs), your looking at a grand total of 53,610 ISK each attempt (the price of an ADV Dropsuit Fitting).
- 2 Attempts = 107,220 ISK
- 3 Attempts = 160,830 ISK
- 4 Attempts = 214,440 ISK
- 5 Attempts = 268,050 ISK
I'd say that with JLAVs, your better off quitting at around the 2nd-3rd attempt. As for you being killed by something with 0 SP investment, do you see Infantry complaining every time someone in a BPO or Starter Fit kills them? No? Then HTFU. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.
So basically your complaints are about something non-existent?  Missed this last time through the thread. Don't see why you'd have to fit a fuel injector, and it seems to me that you're trying to fit a complex mod to the LAV for some reason? Protofits tells me that I can make a Baloch fitting for 21k. A far cry from your 53k figure. Were a veteran player to do it (as a good half the JLAVs are) it'd cost about 2700 ISK. You once showed off an Assault mk.0 SL fitting, and I've done the same for a Sentinel ak.0 AFG fitting. For a seventh of the cost of my suit, and a tenth of yours, I can buy from the MLT store an 'AV' method with a higher success rate (i.e. Most of the time. I frequently see Sicas and Somas destroyed by these fitting, as well as more expensive fittings.) You cannot seriously tell me this is appropriate 'risk+reward'? Feel free, though. I'd be happy to copy-paste your words into every MLT HAV balance thread you ever post in ever. Incorrect. Dropsuit bpo + exile ar bpo + lav bpo + RE = cost of REs only
+ switching to starter fit after setting them.
I am starting to doubt that there can be a limit to the amount of remotes that can stick to a vehicle so I would just make remotes unable to stick to friendly vehicles.[/quote]
so I cant put them on my own lav to kill a red that hacks it? no thanks! |
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