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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:44:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank costs 0 isk, unfair as the jeep has greater speed and maneuverability no risk and is much easier to do then blowing up a jihad jeep. Buffer tanking does not do anything the 20,000 damage will still kill you.
ISK cost is irrelevant.
As for Jihad Jeep being "0 risk", the driver puts themselves at rather large amounts of risk, because at any point in time the LAV can be instantly killed, due to the remotes being exposed. Not to mention that the terrain usually causes the LAV to hit a bump or other obstacle, causing the LAV to miss the target.
Any shot (and I quite literally mean any) to the REs will cause the LAV to instantly explode. Couple that with the fact that you can hear the LAV coming from a mile away, and there's no excuse as to why you should be dying to a Jihad Jeep.
Either stop AFKing inside your HAV, or Get Good.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:04:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
See, I have a lot of respect for Fox's opinions.
He's never invested more than 500k in a fitting. It is absolutely bullsh*t that my enormous investment (often including a full-proto AFG fitting inside for continued AV) can be instantly destroyed by a zero investment tactic.
The terror involved in combating JJ is vast, far higher than the fear involved with fighting even multiple AFGs, simply because of the fact that the JJ by definition does not care about dying. They lose nothing upon death. Their investment is not lost. There is no incentive to give up. At no point is a Jihad Jeep better off quitting, because there is no investment in a Jihad Jeep.
Don't field what you can't afford to lose.
You still need to reasonably invest into the Remote Explosives to use Jihad Jeeps, as the STD ones have a Max. Active of 3 and only deal 1250HP. That's 3000HP against a Shield Tank, so any well-fitted Gunnlogi will survive that.
They have to pay for the LAV every time, and assuming you've got a Fuel Injector on it (like most JLAVs), your looking at a grand total of 53,610 ISK each attempt (the price of an ADV Dropsuit Fitting).
- 2 Attempts = 107,220 ISK
- 3 Attempts = 160,830 ISK
- 4 Attempts = 214,440 ISK
- 5 Attempts = 268,050 ISK
I'd say that with JLAVs, your better off quitting at around the 2nd-3rd attempt.
As for you being killed by something with 0 SP investment, do you see Infantry complaining every time someone in a BPO or Starter Fit kills them? No?
Then HTFU.
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.
So basically your complaints are about something non-existent? 
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:28:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
Theirs an economy so yes it is relevant
0 risk to assets oh you lose a clone or K/D boo hoo.
JLAVs do cause a risk (and guaranteed loss) to my assets.
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:False, Sure I can hear an LAV coming but when multiple LAVs are in different angles and throwing off my gauge of direction how my supposed to know what's jihad and what's not.
So basically you just admitted that you can hear the LAV coming. GG
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:So it's my fault I die brawling a tank because I get hit by a jihad my thought process should be "let's focus on the LAV that might not even be a threat as opposed to the definite threat being the tank or AV" it's all on my for reloading at just the wrong time.
No, but there's nothing wrong with this. When was the last time someone complained about dieing to a tank while brawling an Infantry player?
If you can't handle the fact that you have to focus on multiple enemies from different directions, then you have no business playing a video game.
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Stop being such scrub that you can't beat a tank using AV when the tank can barely fight back and get good
I don't even use JLAVs anymore, but keep making baseless assumptions.
Though I do find the scrub comment funny considering how you couldn't even survive my Swarms in a Gunnlogi when they still had the 80% "god mode" hardeners"
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:54:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
2 words Faction Warfare
BPO LAV's they exist and then again don't suck
The problem with your "BPO LAVs and LP REs" assertion is that it implies that not everyone can use and/or obtain those items, which means that you'd be conforming to "selective balance" (where an item is balanced around the actions/status/intent of some players, but not all; leading to a situation where the item is broken for others).
That's bad for gameplay.
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Come on really using that bullsh!t in a proto suit I can take on at least 3 starter fits at once and it's usually dumb luck or me being stupid that I die to one.
If the player in a Starter Fit has a good aim, then they can "solo" you. Personally, I've downed tons of PRO suits with my 'Medic'
and a MLT Rail Rifle.
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:In a tank theirs no way your taking 3 on at once and a tank + your suit costs 5 times as much as one proto suit in general and killing a tank with a jihad is stupid easy killing a proto suit with an infantry suit is not.
The only way an HAV costs 5x as much as a PRO suit is if you fit it that way, which is idiotic considering how most modules are techicided and yield the same results/benefits across all tiers.
Operating an HAV is also stupid easy, so your point is moot.
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Even the best tankers die to this tactic.
I'm not surprised, considering how most tankers aren't really good at DUST 514 anyways.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:22:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:
Missed this last time through the thread.
Don't see why you'd have to fit a fuel injector, and it seems to me that you're trying to fit a complex mod to the LAV for some reason?
Protofits tells me that I can make a Baloch fitting for 21k. A far cry from your 53k figure.
Were a veteran player to do it (as a good half the JLAVs are) it'd cost about 2700 ISK.
My fit is a Saga-II with a NOS Module. You need the Fuel Injector because it allows you to pick up enough speed to detonate the REs, as opposed to simply "dinging" the HAV.
As for why I use the Saga-II, it has a built in Shield Hardener to make it harder to kill from the back. Also, Armored LAVs move far too slow to kill a good tanker.
Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:You once showed off an Assault mk.0 SL fitting, and I've done the same for a Sentinel ak.0 AFG fitting. For a seventh of the cost of my suit, and a tenth of yours, I can buy from the MLT store an 'AV' method with a higher success rate (i.e. Most of the time. I frequently see Sicas and Somas destroyed by these fitting, as well as more expensive fittings.)
You cannot seriously tell me this is appropriate 'risk+reward'?
Feel free, though. I'd be happy to copy-paste your words into every MLT HAV balance thread you ever post in ever.
So you've made a list of all the times multiple HAV Pilots have died to JLAVs, and then another of all the times multiple HAV Pilots have died to conventional AV Weapons? May I have a look at this data?
Do I need to remind you that anecdotal evidence is not valid in balance discussions?
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