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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:58:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank costs 0 isk, unfair as the jeep has greater speed and maneuverability no risk and is much easier to do then blowing up a jihad jeep. Buffer tanking does not do anything the 20,000 damage will still kill you.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.07.03 16:02:00 -
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Seymour KrelbornX wrote:Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank no, some people have bpocars and can do it for free not even buying the explosives or suit aswell lies... you have to buy the explosives... sure you could put them on and then switch out to a starter fit or bpo suit, but then you cant detonate them in instances where ramming doesn't blow you up... many times I have had to get out of my lav to manually detonate on a tank. as far as lav bpo's go... if everyone had them you may have the beginings of an argument, but most who play dust now don't have them... even still for, what? 30k isk? I can get a jeep and still blow up a 350k tank....bpo lav's are not that much of an advantage here... I can still make more isk than risk most of the time.... either way I'm still almost sure to die, costing my team a clone. So you admit low risk high reward which goes completwely against the dust way of high risk high reward. How often do games come down to clones? Once every 5... 6 maybe 7 matches.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:08:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:jihad jeeping is ledgit.. costs isk for the loadout and the jeep so its fair.. if you dotn want to be jihad jeeped, fit a buffer tank costs 0 isk, unfair as the jeep has greater speed and maneuverability no risk and is much easier to do then blowing up a jihad jeep. Buffer tanking does not do anything the 20,000 damage will still kill you. ISK cost is irrelevant. As for Jihad Jeep being "0 risk", the driver puts themselves at rather large amounts of risk, because at any point in time the LAV can be instantly killed, due to the remotes being exposed. Not to mention that the terrain usually causes the LAV to hit a bump or other obstacle, causing the LAV to miss the target. Any shot (and I quite literally mean any) to the REs will cause the LAV to instantly explode. Couple that with the fact that you can hear the LAV coming from a mile away, and there's no excuse as to why you should be dying to a Jihad Jeep. Either stop AFKing inside your HAV, or Get Good. Theirs an economy so yes it is relevant
0 risk to assets oh you lose a clone or K/D boo hoo.
False, Sure I can hear an LAV coming but when multiple LAVs are in different angles and throwing off my gauge of direction how my supposed to know what's jihad and what's not.
So it's my fault I die brawling a tank because I get hit by a jihad my thought process should be "let's focus on the LAV that might not even be a threat as opposed to the definite threat being the tank or AV" it's all on my for reloading at just the wrong time.
Stop being such scrub that you can't beat a tank using AV when the tank can barely fight back and get good
actually AFKing in my tank might be beneficial I've actually saved some tanks by simply not moving.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.07.03 18:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: See, I have a lot of respect for Fox's opinions.
He's never invested more than 500k in a fitting. It is absolutely bullsh*t that my enormous investment (often including a full-proto AFG fitting inside for continued AV) can be instantly destroyed by a zero investment tactic.
The terror involved in combating JJ is vast, far higher than the fear involved with fighting even multiple AFGs, simply because of the fact that the JJ by definition does not care about dying. They lose nothing upon death. Their investment is not lost. There is no incentive to give up. At no point is a Jihad Jeep better off quitting, because there is no investment in a Jihad Jeep.
Don't field what you can't afford to lose. You still need to reasonably invest into the Remote Explosives to use Jihad Jeeps, as the STD ones have a Max. Active of 3 and only deal 1250HP. That's 3000HP against a Shield Tank, so any well-fitted Gunnlogi will survive that. They have to pay for the LAV every time, and assuming you've got a Fuel Injector on it (like most JLAVs), your looking at a grand total of 53,610 ISK each attempt (the price of an ADV Dropsuit Fitting).
- 2 Attempts = 107,220 ISK
- 3 Attempts = 160,830 ISK
- 4 Attempts = 214,440 ISK
- 5 Attempts = 268,050 ISK
I'd say that with JLAVs, your better off quitting at around the 2nd-3rd attempt. As for you being killed by something with 0 SP investment, do you see Infantry complaining every time someone in a BPO or Starter Fit kills them? No? Then HTFU. Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.
So basically your complaints are about something non-existent? 2 words Faction Warfare BPO LAV's they exist and then again don't suck Come on really using that bullsh!t in a proto suit I can take on at least 3 starter fits at once and it's usually dumb luck or me being stupid that I die to one. In a tank theirs no way your taking 3 on at once and a tank + your suit costs 5 times as much as one proto suit in general and killing a tank with a jihad is stupid easy killing a proto suit with an infantry suit is not. Even the best tankers die to this tactic.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Theirs an economy so yes it is relevant
0 risk to assets oh you lose a clone or K/D boo hoo.
JLAVs do cause a risk (and guaranteed loss) to my assets. Benjamin Ciscko wrote:False, Sure I can hear an LAV coming but when multiple LAVs are in different angles and throwing off my gauge of direction how my supposed to know what's jihad and what's not. So basically you just admitted that you can hear the LAV coming. GG I bet half the shot gunners you hear kill you anyway Benjamin Ciscko wrote:So it's my fault I die brawling a tank because I get hit by a jihad my thought process should be "let's focus on the LAV that might not even be a threat as opposed to the definite threat being the tank or AV" it's all on my for reloading at just the wrong time. No, but there's nothing wrong with this. When was the last time someone complained about dieing to a tank while brawling an Infantry player? Quite a lot it might not have been out right stated but I've sure heard it and it's definitely happened a ton If you can't handle the fact that you have to focus on multiple enemies from different directions, then you have no business playing a video game. lol you were the one that phrased it in manner saying that I should never
die to one Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Stop being such scrub that you can't beat a tank using AV when the tank can barely fight back and get good I don't even use JLAVs anymore, but keep making baseless assumptions. And you assume Jihad LAVs have killed me more than 5 times ever Though I do find the scrub comment funny considering how you couldn't even survive my Swarms in a Gunnlogi when they still had the 80% "god mode" hardeners" When were hardeners ever 80% not that you actually killed my shield tank.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:14:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Even the best tankers die to this tactic. I'm not surprised, considering how most tankers aren't really good at DUST 514 anyways. The only tanker who really isn't that great is Spkr and you should take a look at your K/D some time. This person was probably the best blaster tanker in uprising and he got jihad jeeped http://youtu.be/ChfNcUsgGfo?t=2m21s......
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.05 19:35:00 -
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4th Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Mauren NOON wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Mauren NOON wrote:So tankers are now Q_Qing about the only legit AV....good lord. Sadly it's the best anti-tank because it stops all the I win button tankers like Duna from going 50-0 every match....just because it kills you, doesn't mean it needs to be nerfed. The only legit AV? Are you joking? Do you own a swarm or a forge? If not, GTFO. If so, I hate to say it but go right on and git gud. Actually, I have prof. 2 in forges and most tankers get hit once and run off....then come back to kill you and if they fail they do it over again. And the "giting Gud" needs to be said to tankers. "Oh no! My K/D is in danger! Time to run."tankers are the true scrubs. How is playing a role with the most health, DPS, and speed fair in anyway?and why does it take 2+ people to take out a tank? If its only 1 AVer, then tanks high tail it to the red line....I'm the scrub, indeed........ Considering the second shot kills me running away is generally a good idea. That moment when you forget your still on an alt.
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