Could we leave the complaining about the 'other side' talking 'propaganda' or 'only thinking its fine because they're a heavy'?
This goes for both of you.


Could you film said test? It doesn't have to be a capture card, a stable phone camera would work fine.
I'm not on atm but I'll be filming properly tomorrow to settle this.

Could we leave the complaining about the 'other side' talking 'propaganda' or 'only thinking its fine because they're a heavy'?
This goes for both of you.


Could you film said test? It doesn't have to be a capture card, a stable phone camera would work fine.
I'm not on atm but I'll be filming properly tomorrow to settle this.

Auntie Wyrnspire, putting you young whippersnappers in your place.

What are u trying to prove?
If the scout is a newbie & the the heavy is dedicated in his role ,then the heavy will win.

In other words, you're arbitrarily making life more difficult than is necessary.

Newbro Scout sees Proto squad, quits battle and finds new one. Victory!

Scenario: scout gets a sg blast to the back of heavy, heavy jumps and turns but instead of standing still like an idiot after the first shot, the scout has also jumped forward on an angle. Heavy loses scout due to expecting the enemy to the rear and once again the scout is behind or at least beside the heavy who is disoriented/confused. SG blast with immediate strafe. Odds that the heavy jumps again are low so he turns. Another sg blast to the side/rear of the heavy. Usually dead heavy.

Some fancy moves for a Newbro Scout! Lots of variables, but certainly possible! +1
If you have time, tell us about some of the fancy moves Newbro Heavies use when they see a Proto Scout :-)

Some fancy moves for a Newbro Scout! Lots of variables, but certainly possible! +1
If you have time, tell us about some of the fancy moves Newbro Heavies use when they see a Proto Scout :-)

If you have time, tell us about some of the fancy moves Newbro Heavies use when they see a Proto Scout :-)

I've nothing to do... Might as well give some of my experience as a newbro heavy... Well, perhaps not newbro, but rather when I use my low-tier, moneymaking gear. (Basically, what a newbro has, but with better cores and DUST experience.)

When I encounter a proto shotgun/CQC scout in my newbro-equivalent gear, there are generally three 1v1 scenarios:

1) scout gets the jump on me.
2) I get the jump on the scout.
3) we mutually surprise each other.

For option 1), odds are that I die and never see the attacker until the death screen. Also possible is that I manage to see the attacker and attempt to defend myself. Either A) I get out strafed and die; B) I deter scout, but scout escapes; or C) I kill scout. All involve flailing around (jumping, strafing, pirouetting), trying to ascertain the direction the attack happens from, and maybe shooting wildly. Regardless, proto scout has the odds in their favor, as it should be.

For scenario 2), odds are "little" 'ol me wins. As it should be. (What sort of scout lets a heavy sneak up on them?)

For 3), either A) I get a buckshot to the face and lose; B) make some swiss cheese and get a +50; or C) scout evades. Given that it is a proto scout, C) may be most common, second being A). Seems fair.

For all of the above, keep in mind: I don't use proto gear, mainly standard. Everything I use is comparable to what a newbro heavy has, except ~10 percent better. Also, I use Minmatar/Caldari Sentinels; level 5. Scouts, regardless of tier, are the bane of my existence. I'd say actual newbro heavies have it worse than I.

Perhaps if I used plate stacking Amarr/Gallente Sentinels I'd be singing a different tune... But I don't. As it stands, this Fatty fears actual scouts. As it should be.

we are talking about plated vs unplated turn speed not native turn speed

Now I may be off in this reasoning butGǪ
If native speed is the same and percentage of plates applies to base movement and then affects the turn speed would this not mean that the scout is penalized more for plates on turn speed than the Heavy?
Plated Heavy turns faster than Plated Scout?
I know big IF on how the percentage is appliedGǪ

Of course if the penalty is applied to Native turn speed for both parties than we still have faster turning Cal and Min Heavies/ScoutsGǪ and those of use little folks who only fit FerrosGǪ oh and crazy rep based Gal Sentinels.

Or I am rambling on about things

Has anyone done tests to see if the X and Y sensitivity settings have the capability to increase rotation speed?

Unlike other folk I'll be honest yes increasing the sensitivity WILL increase turn speed, BUT a non plated user at the same sensitivity will still turn faster then the plate user.

Now I may be off in this reasoning butGǪ
If native speed is the same and percentage of plates applies to base movement and then affects the turn speed would this not mean that the scout is penalized more for plates on turn speed than the Heavy?
Plated Heavy turns faster than Plated Scout?
I know big IF on how the percentage is appliedGǪ

Of course if the penalty is applied to Native turn speed for both parties than we still have faster turning Cal and Min Heavies/ScoutsGǪ and those of use little folks who only fit FerrosGǪ oh and crazy rep based Gal Sentinels.

Or I am rambling on about things

Now I may be off in this reasoning butGǪ
If native speed is the same and percentage of plates applies to base movement and then affects the turn speed would this not mean that the scout is penalized more for plates on turn speed than the Heavy?
Plated Heavy turns faster than Plated Scout?
I know big IF on how the percentage is appliedGǪ

Of course if the penalty is applied to Native turn speed for both parties than we still have faster turning Cal and Min Heavies/ScoutsGǪ and those of use little folks who only fit FerrosGǪ oh and crazy rep based Gal Sentinels.

Or I am rambling on about things

Has anyone done tests to see if the X and Y sensitivity settings have the capability to increase rotation speed?

Lol this thread. Seriously.

Heavies > Scouts

They have the same rotation, which means that while the actual speed decrease is greater on the scout, turn speed being universally 50 degrees/sec (arbitrary number) if each suit was stacking four plates that reduced rotational speed by 10% per plate they'd have an equivalent penalty taking them to 30 degrees/sec.

The movement speed penalty percentage would be identical too, but the actual penalty would be larger in terms of raw numbers on the scout, though again the proportionate difference is identical.