No I was asking about retaining the current vehicle entry system (teleport) but changing vehicle entry points to specific locations on the vehicle rather than it just being anywhere on the vehicle

No, it won't be annoying. It's practical. Halo has proven that multiple times and no one complained about the restrictions to vehicle entry.

Besides, it makes absolutely no sense to be able to hop into the driver seat when you're just standing by the front bumper or appear in the driver seat first when you're boarding from the passenger side.

Such a restriction serves two practical proposes. It makes the game look more realistic in terms of movement and it also makes the game balanced in terms of dealing with the annoying habit that some heavies in LAVs have been doing in DUST so far.

I'm currently playing Borderlands 2. There was more than one time-critical situation where I accidentally hopped into the gunner seat because I didn't look at the car correctly.

So no, there is no guarantee for such a system being good. Not to mention that this would require lag to the changing of seat positions - Otherwise it would just be an obnoxious hindrance that requires you to shift positions to drive sometimes.

And really, you can't compare this to Halo. IIRC Halo has invulnerable vehicles and they definitely don't cost you ingame money.
Ever wondered what happens if a swarmer is locking your LAV and you are trying to save it, but accidentally hop into the passenger seat?

Seeing as though the vehicle models are god awful in Borderlands, no surprise there.

Borderlands 2 is actually improved, even if it's only moderately not-**** now.

ItGÇÖs something weGÇÖve discussed.

ItGÇÖs obviously not just a cosmetic change but also a gameplay one i.e. lavs would have to stop to let people get in them, vehicles would have to be entered from specific positions, you could be shot whilst GÇÿout of controlGÇÖ of your character during a transition etc. Those are all things that need to be considered.

ItGÇÖs also a fair chunk of work. Third person animations, first person animations, interaction logic, remodeling vehicle entry points, modeling vehicle interiors etc. ItGÇÖs a fair bit of work that could go in to, for example, animation systems for the drones in Salvage. So at this point itGÇÖs an interesting discussion to have but not a high priority feature.

@kincate

Jumping is only lame when bunny hopping. But when it comes to jumping off cliffs or structures, we still need it. These are super suits after all.

Some good points and hilarious videos there!

I had a thought of something that could be done with a minimum of work that may help alleviate the problems somewhat. It would be pretty easy to change the entry rules for the LAV (and any other vehicle) so they are placed in specific positions i.e. doors and rear turret.

It doesn't solve all issues but may be an improvement. Thoughts?

http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1020583/Animation-Bootcamp-An-Indie-Approach

seems interesting and applicable to our own soldier movements.

No need to get angry Aigun, letGÇÖs try and keep the conversation pleasant please. It is indeed a great talk, seeing how the character animations are built up piece by piece is fascinating.

I think we can probably put the vehicle entry animation discussion to rest now. WeGÇÖve talked about the pros, cons and edge cases. I think itGÇÖs something we can return to and discuss in a more structured way when we are in a position to actually consider working on it.

First comes making core infantry movement smooth across undulating terrain and over small obstacles.

One point that has come up a few times here is bunny hopping. I see some of you guys feel it is an issue whilst others do not. As you know we limit it currently using stamina cost for jumping and an increased cost per jump within a window of x. Do you think we need to go further?

No need to get angry Aigun...

Not angry. Something between bemused and exasperated.

Anyway, procedural animation would also be really beneficial for the first person weapon load, re-load, weapon swap animations, and for hip fire and aiming animations. It would potentially allow smaller teams to create more content rapidly once the system is in place.

The segment of the presentation that demonstrated a revolver was a nice illustration of what can be accomplished with that kind of system in a short time.

Please not as fluid as uncharted, just no.

One point that has come up a few times here is bunny hopping. I see some of you guys feel it is an issue whilst others do not. As you know we limit it currently using stamina cost for jumping and an increased cost per jump within a window of x. Do you think we need to go further?

Not really. The only ones that can do it is scouts, and even then, Only the Amarr Scout can indefinitely do it (currently anyways). Doesn't really need any changes imo.

No need to get angry Aigun, letGÇÖs try and keep the conversation pleasant please. It is indeed a great talk, seeing how the character animations are built up piece by piece is fascinating.

I think we can probably put the vehicle entry animation discussion to rest now. WeGÇÖve talked about the pros, cons and edge cases. I think itGÇÖs something we can return to and discuss in a more structured way when we are in a position to actually consider working on it.

First comes making core infantry movement smooth across undulating terrain and over small obstacles.

One point that has come up a few times here is bunny hopping. I see some of you guys feel it is an issue whilst others do not. As you know we limit it currently using stamina cost for jumping and an increased cost per jump within a window of x. Do you think we need to go further?

I'm playing as a gallente scout for a while, and I agree with most thing that was told here.

Once I try to make full proto BunnyHopping-fit, I don't remember exact numbers except that I was able to make 5 jumps and sprint for half match without resting(it was so stupid - IRL it's challenging to sprint extremely fast for longer than 2 minutes).

I would like to see separation between sprinting and jumping, it would be so cool if those both things would not be depended on just one source(stamina) but on two. Some actions like crossing railings would consume both of them but not in way that jumping is more efficient.
Also I would like to see Sniper Sway implemented to this mechanic(some-how) like in other games when you hold your breath and cross stop swaying for short amout of time. Beside, stamina or other rechargeable source should have impact on Inertia dampeners, because I think it is too safe for now. This mechanic should have a greater margin of error. Player should be able to turn it on when ever he wishes, but if he will turn it on too early or too late, he will not land safely.

Everyone should be able to cross small obstacles(to size of railings) without having to jump, It should be flowing to them and not consume too much rechargeable 'powers', but at the same point players should not be able to do it forever, theres should be some boundaries.

Heavy should not be able to hop, or jump in Legion - they do not need it, they are brick of health points already and as soon as they will be able to defeat railings they do not need to jump.

..and I run out of ideas

No. Jumping and Sprinting needs to rely on the same source of stamina.

I don't disagree but it is kinda botch that applying cardiac regulators doesn't increase your stamina for jumping. It's a pain in the butt trying to jump over a six inch ledge then suddenly not having any stamina left to continue sprinting because the initial jump took way more than necessary. There's a part of the Caldari Biomass Outpost where a bunch of crates are stacked next to a wall, trying to go over that is damn near a death sentence if you don't have a full bar of stamina.

I was in early beta, bunny hoping was one among many problems. Frankly right now no one is saying it is a balance issue, it is just both stupid looking and a wholly outdated mechanic to have. If you are worring about low obsticles take the time and develop obsticle interaction, vaulting over something looks better than the bunny hops. If you arent going to do it because it is time consuming that is something by itself, but if you want immersion you need mechanics which allow you to interact with your enviornment.