I hope the vault exceeds jumps.
Stuff like grabbing ledges and pulling yourself up as a scout, while heavies can only use vault to get other smaller obstacles that they can't outright jump over. In both cases, you wouldn't be able to actually scale the terrain with just a jump, though the scout would have no trouble with jumping over an obstacle that a heavy needs to vault over.

I personally prefer jetpacks. High-powered ones that increase your scan profile and stealthy ones that have less power.
And myofibrills that also increase jump height. That module should increase all muscle-related activities.

The new engine and mouse controls should allow scouts to be much faster without breaking the game.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves. I think we should be able to walk smoothly over rocks before we start running on walls :-)

Not sure if it falls under the movement category but have you guys looked adding movement / animations for getting in and out of vehicles? Not just the infamous LAV teleport but dismounts from HAVs and DS as well.

There are a few people here who might disagree with you on that

I understand that, what I'm suggesting here is more of a stop gap measure because there is quite a lot of other work that will take priority over entry/exit animations should we want to do them.

No it's not bad I just want to get your opinion on the other suggestion and whether or or not you think it would help or if it would be a waste of time and we should just leave it as is until we are able to make a more significant change?

Being able to parkour would help the scout be a scout though

No I was asking about retaining the current vehicle entry system (teleport) but changing vehicle entry points to specific locations on the vehicle rather than it just being anywhere on the vehicle

I'm currently playing Borderlands 2. There was more than one time-critical situation where I accidentally hopped into the gunner seat because I didn't look at the car correctly.

So no, there is no guarantee for such a system being good. Not to mention that this would require lag to the changing of seat positions - Otherwise it would just be an obnoxious hindrance that requires you to shift positions to drive sometimes.

And really, you can't compare this to Halo. IIRC Halo has invulnerable vehicles and they definitely don't cost you ingame money.
Ever wondered what happens if a swarmer is locking your LAV and you are trying to save it, but accidentally hop into the passenger seat?

Borderlands 2 is actually improved, even if it's only moderately not-**** now.

No need to get angry Aigun, letGÇÖs try and keep the conversation pleasant please. It is indeed a great talk, seeing how the character animations are built up piece by piece is fascinating.

I think we can probably put the vehicle entry animation discussion to rest now. WeGÇÖve talked about the pros, cons and edge cases. I think itGÇÖs something we can return to and discuss in a more structured way when we are in a position to actually consider working on it.

First comes making core infantry movement smooth across undulating terrain and over small obstacles.

One point that has come up a few times here is bunny hopping. I see some of you guys feel it is an issue whilst others do not. As you know we limit it currently using stamina cost for jumping and an increased cost per jump within a window of x. Do you think we need to go further?

Not angry. Something between bemused and exasperated.

Anyway, procedural animation would also be really beneficial for the first person weapon load, re-load, weapon swap animations, and for hip fire and aiming animations. It would potentially allow smaller teams to create more content rapidly once the system is in place.

The segment of the presentation that demonstrated a revolver was a nice illustration of what can be accomplished with that kind of system in a short time.