Some good points and hilarious videos there!

I had a thought of something that could be done with a minimum of work that may help alleviate the problems somewhat. It would be pretty easy to change the entry rules for the LAV (and any other vehicle) so they are placed in specific positions i.e. doors and rear turret.

It doesn't solve all issues but may be an improvement. Thoughts?

I love how the Dust boards almost never actually answer the devs directly, and instead just post random semi-insults.


Restricting driver entry to one side would be more annoying than useful.

Just make a hack-like progress bar when you enter a vehicle, which requires you to hold down the boarding button. It's longer for heavier suits.
This directly counters the driveby HMG issue and is functionally similar to an actual animation, meaning that it can be considered a placeholder for later additions to the syste,.

So if you do this can you get rid of bunny hopping?

The ability to propel yourself off a roof great, vault over objects fantastic, slide, go prone, take cover, these are all good things.

Jumping abitrarily in the air in a lame attempt to aviod fire.... lame.

No need to get angry Aigun, letGÇÖs try and keep the conversation pleasant please. It is indeed a great talk, seeing how the character animations are built up piece by piece is fascinating.

I think we can probably put the vehicle entry animation discussion to rest now. WeGÇÖve talked about the pros, cons and edge cases. I think itGÇÖs something we can return to and discuss in a more structured way when we are in a position to actually consider working on it.

First comes making core infantry movement smooth across undulating terrain and over small obstacles.

One point that has come up a few times here is bunny hopping. I see some of you guys feel it is an issue whilst others do not. As you know we limit it currently using stamina cost for jumping and an increased cost per jump within a window of x. Do you think we need to go further?

I'm playing as a gallente scout for a while, and I agree with most thing that was told here.

Once I try to make full proto BunnyHopping-fit, I don't remember exact numbers except that I was able to make 5 jumps and sprint for half match without resting(it was so stupid - IRL it's challenging to sprint extremely fast for longer than 2 minutes).

I would like to see separation between sprinting and jumping, it would be so cool if those both things would not be depended on just one source(stamina) but on two. Some actions like crossing railings would consume both of them but not in way that jumping is more efficient.
Also I would like to see Sniper Sway implemented to this mechanic(some-how) like in other games when you hold your breath and cross stop swaying for short amout of time. Beside, stamina or other rechargeable source should have impact on Inertia dampeners, because I think it is too safe for now. This mechanic should have a greater margin of error. Player should be able to turn it on when ever he wishes, but if he will turn it on too early or too late, he will not land safely.

Everyone should be able to cross small obstacles(to size of railings) without having to jump, It should be flowing to them and not consume too much rechargeable 'powers', but at the same point players should not be able to do it forever, theres should be some boundaries.

Heavy should not be able to hop, or jump in Legion - they do not need it, they are brick of health points already and as soon as they will be able to defeat railings they do not need to jump.

..and I run out of ideas

I don't disagree but it is kinda botch that applying cardiac regulators doesn't increase your stamina for jumping. It's a pain in the butt trying to jump over a six inch ledge then suddenly not having any stamina left to continue sprinting because the initial jump took way more than necessary. There's a part of the Caldari Biomass Outpost where a bunch of crates are stacked next to a wall, trying to go over that is damn near a death sentence if you don't have a full bar of stamina.